80% of Americans believe in voter ID laws. Those radical Republicans.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-eight-in-10-back-voter-id/article/2565542
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-eight-in-10-back-voter-id/article/2565542
In another right wing plot that Americans detest
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Honest question. Why would you not have this? You have to use ID to use a goddamn credit card, buy a gun, drive a car, fly on a plane, etc. Why would you not have this as a requirement?
It's insane to be against this. One illegal vote disenfranchises an Anerican. We have to show ID for far less important matters.
I think part of it has to do with what qualifies as a legitimate ID. Some states have some pretty restrictive requirements for what will be accepted. I heard part of an interview this morning about the requirements in Texas, and that the estimates are that those rules keep out about 1 million people in that state.
I agree that voter fraud disenfranchises voters, but turning away voters who have a legal right to vote does the same thing.
I agree that voter fraud disenfranchises voters, but turning away voters who have a legal right to vote does the same thing.
I don't know what site you read, but getting a valied ID in Texas is very easy and Texas has an enormous number of illegals that complicate the process. Every citizen should be able to vote but every citizen should produce an ID that ensures that no one is disenfranchised. And that ID should be fairly easy to obtain although the vast majority of citizens already have ID's.
I respectively question how you have any idea how easy it is to get a valid (for voter identification purposes) ID in Texas. The acceptable form of ID are driver's license, election identification certificate, personal identification card, or concealed carry permit - all issued by the same offices of Texas Department of Public Safety. The other acceptable forms are military ID, citizenship certificate (with photo) or passport. That's it.
So let's say you live in Dryden, TX - can't drive for some reason. It looks to me like the closest office where you can get an acceptable form of ID is almost an hour and a half drive from you. Now you also need all your other proof documents - birth certificate (or acceptable alternative), social security card, multiple forms of proof of residency at your given address - oh, and someone who will bother to burn up their entire day driving you to get your ID.
What seems easy, isn't always easy. What if that same person's personal ID card expires days before the election? What if they don't notice that?
Every citizen that wants to vote needs to be aware of the requirements. It they are late, they can cast a provisional ballot and still vote. Texas allows 7 different kinds of identification. DPS offices exist all over the state. Citizens have to make the effort to get to one of those offices. With millions of illegals in Texas it is a very reasonable law. There is also a permanent exemption for the disabled. This is a very fair and yes, easy law to comply with.
Lol. People are now in jail for voter fraud. From the National review:
by Jim Geraghty October 24, 2014 5:45 PM This study’s claim is pretty eye-opening…Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted. How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/campa...ge-numbers-non-citizens-vote-us-jim-geraghty#!
Like I said, look up Dryden TX on Google Maps - then search for the nearest licensing office. That's a hardship, especially for someone of limited means, and even more so if they can't drive.
I'm fine with people needed to provide an ID, but I don't understand the restrictive nature of the photo ID required. This isn't for proof of citizenship or the like - that's part of the registration process. This photo ID is to associate the name on the list of registered voters with a face on a photo ID - verification that the person showing up to vote is the person on the list. Student ID's, especially ones issued by state universities, don't count?
I'm fine with people needed to provide an ID, but I don't understand the restrictive nature of the photo ID required. This isn't for proof of citizenship or the like - that's part of the registration process. This photo ID is to associate the name on the list of registered voters with a face on a photo ID - verification that the person showing up to vote is the person on the list. Student ID's, especially ones issued by state universities, don't count?
When you have millions of illegals in the state, you need to verify citizenship to avoid disenfranchisement. I assume Republicans live in Dryden, TX, right? The requirements go both ways.
I know it goes both ways. I'm not arguing from a political side - I'm arguing from a disenfranchisement side. You provide the proof of citizenship when you register. The ID law is used when you go to vote. You've already proven citizenship and the ID law is just there to verify that you are the person you claim to be when you go to get your ballot. If you didn't happen to notice that your driver's license expired the day before the election, I don't think you should lose your right to vote.
In your example, you can still vote with a provisional ballot. This is a very fair law.