Interesting facts about stars

aTotal360

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So let me get this straight

Over the last 5 years:
Annually, only 1.5% of the 2500 scholarship football players are "5 star" athletes, yet they comprise 18% of the first round.
58% of the first round is comprised of 4 star and 5 star athletes. Yet they only comprise 13% of the scholarship athletes.

Summary, you have a lot better CHANCE of getting an NFL first rounder from a 4 star or better athlete.

If you don't think stars matter, keep those maroon sunglasses on.
 

Philly Dawg

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The 5 star recruits are the true blue chippers that everyone agrees are the super stars. Their rankings are the least based on the subjective evaluation of the "recruiting gurus." If a player gets five stars, that definitely means something.

If 18% of the first round draft picks are five star players, and 58% are five and four star players, then that means there are more three stars or worse players in the first round than four star players.

How do the numbers break out over the entire draft? Often, there is little in on field results in college to differentiate a first and fourth round player.
 

aTotal360

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There are also 100000x more of those players. This is a matter of probability. You are more PROBABLE to get NFL talent out of a 4 star or better than and 3 star or worse. Yes, the draft is comprised mostly of 3 star talent, but that's because they are exponentially more available.
 

Strike.sixpack

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See here's the thing, stars do matter, to a degree, especially on individual basis but its the rankings outside of the top 10 that is not as discernible as people make them out to be. But with the five star first round drafted players, you have about 30+ per year according to the sites. So in a draft class you probably have what 50-70 5 star athletes available to draft from. 18% go in the first round so that's about 6 players which looks a lot like about 10% of available 5* players get drafted in the 1st round. You have about 200+ 4* athletes per year so around 400-500 are possibly available for the draft. With 40% that's about 13 players which means about 3.25% from that 400 player pool will make it to the first round. And of course the 3* and less is an even smaller percentage.

The point is however with the way these percentages are discussed it leaves a lot of people with the impression that over half of the 4* & 5* players become first round draft picks. And it's not the case. Maybe at best you are looking at 15% of all of those guys become first round players (we won't discuss or eliminate the ones who were busts or drafted improperly by the league). So yes stars matter, but with a much smaller percentage than people think. But lets poise this question, for the sake of winning on the college field would you have success with a team of 11 offensive and 11 defensive players drafted every year but none of them ever being drafted higher than the 3rd round? Because nobody, Bama included, have everybody drafted that are starters.
 

Hump4Hoops

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It means the gap is between 3 and 4 stars.

A 4* and a 5* each have about a 20% chance of hitting the first round, while 2-3* players have about a 3% chance.
 

patdog

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No. Per the article, there are 275-300 4-star players each year and 64 were taken in the 1st round of the last 5 drafts (12.8 per year). That's only about 4% of 4-star players who wind up getting drafted in the 1st round.
 

Strike.sixpack

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Yes that about true, although I think it's less than 20% for the 4 & 5 stars but haven't calculated it so it could be. But I bet if you ask most people if you got a 5* player then they would beleive that a majority of the time they would become 1st rounders and its not even close to true. Now it doesn't mean they can't be good players, we all know there are a bunch of good players not drafted every year, but that is the perception.
 

57stratdawg

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Right. Let's say there is a jug floating in the middle of a lake. You have 100 rocks to throw at it and I have 20 rocks. After we've each thrown all our rocks, you've hit the jug twice and I've only hit it once.

Does that mean you're twice as accurate of a rock thrower? No..
 

aTotal360

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Are you taking into consideration how many of them are eligible to get drafted?
 

patdog

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If there are 275-300 4* recruits each year, there will be roughly 275-300 eligible to be drafted each year. Most will be eligible 4 years after they graduate high school, with a few in 3 years and a few in 5, depending on if they declare early or redshirt.
 

Philly Dawg

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"Exponentially" is a big word. The point is that most four star players (and probably 5 star players) are not drafted at all and that the bulk of the draft are players who were not identified as NFL prospects in high school. In other words, you'd be right to suggest that one would expect more draftees out of the larger pool, but that is not necessarily true when your smaller pool are those players identified as NFL prospects. In yet other words, the star rating system is only succesffuly identifying approximately 58% of NFL first round prospects.
 

o_Hot Rock

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Stars do matter but...

First off, they "don't matter."
Secondly, well just read the article.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...firstrounders-rated-coming-out-of-high-school

The more highly rated out of HS you are the better chance you have of being good. That has been proven over and over again. Sure, there are tons of misses but the odds simply get better the higher you are rated. So, what really can be examined? I say the question should be how well a particular coaching staff is able to either develop a two/three star guy or does a better job of picking talent either for their system or just ability.

How well has Dan Mullen and company done this would be a much better question to me. Another one is he getting better at it the longer he does it? Is he building relationships and recruiting techniques that are drawing better players. I think the answer to those questions are more important.

I have read several times where State has put lots of three and sometimes even two star guys in the NFL. Sounds like a pretty good track record to me and I am excited about this years class. Hail STATE!!!
 

Dawg1976

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I wonder if this thread would have been started if we were about to sign a top 15 class?
 

Dog316

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Statistics can be used to prove or to disprove almost any point that can be quantified. Common sense should always come into play when looking at statistics, cause you can't always believe your lying eyes.

As as for me, give me four and five star players and two and three star players with potential to be four and five star players . . . and perhaps even more importantly give me high character young men who are coachable and hard working.
 

patdog

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As as for me, give me four and five star players and two and three star players with potential to be four and five star players . . . and perhaps even more importantly give me high character young men who are coachable and hard working.
By far the most important is the last sentence.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Wizard.sixpack

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Was looking at our recruits from 2007 and on the other night and discovered that most of best players started out as 2 and 3 stars..the key is developing the players. ironically some of the 4 and 5 stars that we had didn't pan out as well as the 2 and 3 stars...Alot of times the 4 and 5 stars are so full of themselves that they end up peaking early of they get a dose of reality when they get to college and play against equal talent. I used to think stars matter but I don't anymore...its all a popularity contest. If you play at a huge school and have above average talent, you are a 4 or 5 star...If you play at a small school and have above average talent, you are a 3 star at best. Coaching is the key.