Interesting stat while looking at who USM has committed
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Outside of a few preferred walk-ons and T. Calhoun who else was headed to USM? And if Nutt hadn't have waited on Mikhail Miller to spring the Greyshirt news on him where do you think he'd have most likely ended up?
We both have raided their class for Greyshirts and Walk-ons, I'm not seeing many scholarship offers to USM prospects.
We both have raided their class for Greyshirts and Walk-ons, I'm not seeing many scholarship offers to USM prospects.
because to be promising all these true freshmen guaranteed early playing time can only mean that the majority of guys you've chosen to sign over the last few years have sucked.
You seem to have all goddamn day to comprise short essays defending Ole Miss from message board wrongs and recruiting accusations, so this shouldn't be such a challenging task. After a quick glance through Scout's database, I don't see enough to even make a list (Perry, Knox, maybe Calhoun?)
I'll be curious to see what you find; thanks in advance.
I'll be curious to see what you find; thanks in advance.
Players from Mississippi with no better offers than CUSA or Sun Belt:
MSU 2011:
Kendrick Market
Daniel Knox (has a USM offer)
Darius Slay (they do list an offer from just about everyone for him on Rivals, not sure the discrepancy there)
Rufus Warren
Justin Malone
Taveze Calhoun
Benardrick McKinney
Shaquille Perry
Justin Cox
Devin Fosselman
MSU 2010:
Jamerson Love
Dylan Favre
Jeffrey Howie (did list a USF offer, but that was it)
Corvell Harrison-Gay
Christian Holmes
Jameon Lewis
Jeremy Lee
Curtis Virges
Ole Miss 2011:
Cody Prewitt
Maikhail Miller
Ole Miss 2010:
Will Denny (signed walk on)
Not saying there is anything wrong with the strategy or that all of those players would've ended up at USM, but I'd bet a good number of them would've been at USM had Mullen not offered. Mullen's gamble is that Mississippi talent is underdeveloped and underevaluated. He may be right on that, and in another couple years we will find out if that's the case.
That's his strategy though, and I'm sure it is hurting USM. They've lived on being good in CUSA with a lot of overlooked recruits in Mississippi, and they've had some decent teams doing it. If Mullen is going to snatch up all those guys now too, then it leaves little to nothing for USM to pick through.
MSU 2011:
Kendrick Market
Daniel Knox (has a USM offer)
Darius Slay (they do list an offer from just about everyone for him on Rivals, not sure the discrepancy there)
Rufus Warren
Justin Malone
Taveze Calhoun
Benardrick McKinney
Shaquille Perry
Justin Cox
Devin Fosselman
MSU 2010:
Jamerson Love
Dylan Favre
Jeffrey Howie (did list a USF offer, but that was it)
Corvell Harrison-Gay
Christian Holmes
Jameon Lewis
Jeremy Lee
Curtis Virges
Ole Miss 2011:
Cody Prewitt
Maikhail Miller
Ole Miss 2010:
Will Denny (signed walk on)
Not saying there is anything wrong with the strategy or that all of those players would've ended up at USM, but I'd bet a good number of them would've been at USM had Mullen not offered. Mullen's gamble is that Mississippi talent is underdeveloped and underevaluated. He may be right on that, and in another couple years we will find out if that's the case.
That's his strategy though, and I'm sure it is hurting USM. They've lived on being good in CUSA with a lot of overlooked recruits in Mississippi, and they've had some decent teams doing it. If Mullen is going to snatch up all those guys now too, then it leaves little to nothing for USM to pick through.
It should not be characterized that we are in any recruiting battles with USM. That is the big difference. We do have a couple of guys that are totally off the radar and may not have made it anywhere. I don't consider 3 star players regardless of offers CUSA only material. Nor do i consider just a kid having offers as making him a star i.e. Joe Price. Shaquille Perry is a sign and place so no offers.
Darius Slay is a player, period. He's been committed to us for 2 years.
Darius Slay is a player, period. He's been committed to us for 2 years.
these are still the certain select CL top 40 (usually in the 20-40 slots) type guys that we have been offering at least back through the Felker days. We have always historically been willing to take a few more "marginal" type guys within MS whereas OM has tended to prefer going out of state to fill those slots.
I'm okay with signing ~10 potential USM players. USM has put more offensive players in the NFL than we have in the past several years.
EAVdog said:
I didn't characterize it as winning battles against USM, though Mullen did use USM in a signing day press conference I think last year.
If you're going after players USM wants, pretty much the only way they go to USM is if they drop on your priority list.
I still think, like I said, that Mullen's strategy is detrimental to USM, because they live on a lot of the borderline Mississippi guys that he's made part of his recruiting strategy. That depletes their available talent pool even further.
The only difference is that some of the ones I listed are not from MS, but they have similar offer sheets to what you're talking about.You'refilling slots with the same type of kids but from different states (in most cases JUCOs)....Mullen is finding the same caliber kids in his own back yard.RebelBruiser said:
I was talking about high school talent. That's what you really build your team on. We're signing a good number of Jucos to fill the holes on our defense.
By the way, Woodrow Hamilton lists an offer from MSU. I don't know how strong that offer really was, but there were a few on your list the last two years that listed an Ole Miss offer that I would've considered suspect. I didn't list them though.
Point is, Mullen's recruiting strategy is hurting USM by taking away a good bit of the talent pool they normally draw from. We'll see in a few years if his strategy works out. It'll probably be 2013 at the earliest before we find out.
By the way, Woodrow Hamilton lists an offer from MSU. I don't know how strong that offer really was, but there were a few on your list the last two years that listed an Ole Miss offer that I would've considered suspect. I didn't list them though.
Point is, Mullen's recruiting strategy is hurting USM by taking away a good bit of the talent pool they normally draw from. We'll see in a few years if his strategy works out. It'll probably be 2013 at the earliest before we find out.