Tubbys record in 10 years. 263-83. 1 title
Cal’s record 10 years. 305-71. 1 title
Which coach had above average talent during 10 year run?
Cal’s record 10 years. 305-71. 1 title
Which coach had above average talent during 10 year run?
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That's what UK fans expect. There is a reason Cal is paid the big bucks, and it's not to send the players to the NBA. I could give a **** less how many he sends to the NBA, and how many he has made rich. I read all that crap in his book, and he makes a big deal about how many are going to the NBA after one year. Just hang another National Championship Banner. All these No. 1 recruiting classes have only produced one NC, but two or three teams have got two in the years Cal has been at UK.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
You’re last paragraph says it all. And it’s why I am tuned out early season. Sure, an early season loss here and there might be good for a young team. Certainly has propelled a few to greatness. But it can also build doubt. And ineptness. But these guys don’t care. They are NBA bound. Greatness comes in dollars. Well, they can dream of dollars without me watching or supporting. I’ll watch and support when they play for Kentucky, not Paycheck U.
Richie, you are a class poster, you get along with everyone and I like that you debate like an adult, but, ya gotta help me out here. I have seen you agree with both sides on this. Where do you stand on the one-and-done/Calipari thing? I believe you stand with Calipari and everything he does, but then I see you post things like this. Help end my confusion.
But it's not just an L, it's a double digit loss, to a mid major, in Rupp. Sorry, but that shouldn't happen, especially after what happened last year.
Maybe we should stop being so young every year.
I want a nice balance of 5 star freshman and 4 and 5 star juniors and seniors (this will never happen though due to the one and done culture) Biggest gripe with cal is instead of convincing these guys who aren’t in the 1st round to come back he goes after stopgaps. (Travis, Sestina, Sarr and Mintz) those players are all good don’t get me wrong but if you have guys who are in the program for 3-4 years, the transfers don’t hold a candle to them. Also, he needs to modernize his O all great coaches adapt and when Saban said “O beats D” a few weeks ago it made me realize Wtf is cal doing? I mean he’s pounding the ball into the paint with bigs and he has one shooter on the floor most of the time the rest are streaky 50/50 shooters. Not to mention, our guards run into players and hope for a whistle most of the time. So the formula for beating UK is simple, zone them, break them down on the dribble when their bigs switch onto your guards and double the bigs and don’t worry about him passing to a guard on the perimeter because they’re streaky on 3s.
It's not that people don't get it. It's that they don't like. Or want it. That's the vibe I'm getting.
Excellent point, and my biggest gripe about Calipari. Why be stubborn with a system instead of adapting to the times? It opens up the floor for bugs to operate when they don’t have guys sagging into their laps because no one is a threat to shoot from deep.
That is how Saban has kept Alabama going. When the first got there they were strictly a power running team. In the last few years he has adapted. They can still be a power running team, but they can also spread the field and let their QB throw it all over the yard. Thats how you sustain a dynasty.
Hopefully one day Calipari makes that switch.
Okay, so basically, you’re right where I am on it. I certainly don’t want Cal replaced, but his offense sucks, his one-and-done culture ran its course 5 years ago and I'm sick of him catering to the NBA.
Give Calipari an experienced team and he will dominate, but it seems like he doesn't care about that.
He wants the best of both worlds and he's going to pound his head against the wall until he proves that he can have his cake and eat it too.
Resume A (5 seasons)
131-40 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles
9-5 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume B (5 seasons)
140-39 record
2 Elite Eights
2 Outright SEC Titles (3 Overall)
9-4 NCAA Tournament Record
2 SEC Tournament Titles
Resume A: Tubby Smith’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
Resume B: John Calipari’s Last 5 Years at Kentucky
That's pretty much how I feel. And I'm not some old blue hair either. I'm in my mid 30s. I feel like it's important to bring that up because it always feels like the people who are fine with this always say it's old folks whining. It's not. Plenty of us in the younger age range who don't like this setup either. I agree, a loss like today isn't going to motivate these teams like what we'll see Tuesday night because the other jersey says Kansas. Mark my words. They'll play night and day better on Tuesday. Because we always do this.
Does anyone remember how badly Duke embarassed us last time? But hey...its November. So it doesn't matter. When is enough enough?
When you keep complaining all the time it will be enough. I guess Virginia needs to fire Bennett because they were upset by San Francisco.
Well somebody needs to pound their head against the wall, wouldn’t you think? I would, but I’m out of walls.
I have a lot more to worry about than loosing a basketball game early in the season.
Virginia is not Kentucky, so I don't much give a **** what they do TBH.
I been making this point for awhile. Last 5 years have been almost identical to Tubbys last 5 years. So I want Tubby back, no. Why would I with same records. When Cal went all in with the WOKE crowd, that was the last straw for me.
Logic isn't that guy's friend.
Also the caveat is the talent difference between A and B. B has had 10 times the talent that A did.
Cool, we'll just keep losing to mid majors in Rupp and coming up short in the NCAAT.
Is that what "the pinnacle of college basketball" is to you?
looks like a Louisville resume to me. You good with that? I'm not.
Yeah, but did Tubby ever go to the NIT or lose to mid majors…… ..at home?
Is Evansville even a mid major?
That’s the part the nut huggers can’t seem to grasp. Or don’t want to.
Agree with you on both points.
WB. You been gone for the holidays? Not seen you on the paddock lately.
Bingo. It's great to say we've got all this talent, but why the hell do I care if they can't win games they are supposed to, or look woefully inept in the games they do win early on?
That's another point that doesn't get addressed, yeah, we still do win a lot. So why are we whining? Well...there are a WHOLE LOT of games these past few seasons we can pull up where we looked absolutely awful in the process.
There have also been some absolutely incredible performances and spectacular wins during Cal's tenure. Let's not act like this is all doom and gloom. Cal's done some amazing things here.
But it's clear he isn't going to ever change his mindset or approach, and I would prefer to move on from it to someone who is hungry to win games for the University of Kentucky. It's nice to trot out trite platitudes about it's about the players and what they get in the NBA and thats great for them. I'm not them. I'm a UK alum and fan and I care about what's best for UK. You CAN actually build rosters to win at UK in a big way AND get guys to the NBA, despite what Cal says.
My fear is it's going to take a real disaster of a season to finally get some of these fence riders to wake up to reality about where this is headed. Without seasoned upperclassmen who have grown up in our system (yes...yes...the transfers. We are better with guys who have spent their time here being upperclassmen rather than trying to plug holes with mercenaries.) and elite Wall/Davis/Boogie/etc guys....we see what we get.
I don't really know why we all go back and forth on this stuff. At this point, we are what we are and you are either OK with it or you aren't.
Virginia is still trying to get rid of the strong odor of champagne from their locker room. They accomplished something in April of 2019 that Cal will never accomplish again at UK unless he changes his focus from NBA draft night to UK basketball. Can't do both, especially when you miss out on every top 5 recruit.
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Hey NC fan, go to the golf thread sometime next day or two. Started golfing again, and would love to talk about it with an old familiar Marrowbonion. Not sure that’s a word.
A few observations:
1. With fewer games this year losses will hurt more than wins will help. There is less time for the team to grow up
2.Starting with a whole new team every year has gotten old
3.This is/was the University of Kentucky not the University of Cal. Over the last few years Cal has distanced himself(and by so doing , the players) from the fans. he insinuates he and the team don't need the fans. He is in for a rude awakening, which has already started.
4.We fans were here before Cal and if we live long enough we will be here after Cal. He is the coach of the team I have followed for 60+years so I wish him every success possible, but if he left tomorrow I would wish the same for whomever took his place.
5. It seems to me that Cal has very little respect for the fanbase, while I am fully aware what his style has done for many individual players and their families it seems he has lost the sense of balance between helping chase dreams/dollars and leading the most storied basketball program in college basketball history
This is how I feel, honestly I wish I felt differently but that is not the case.
1. With fewer games this year losses will hurt more than wins will help. There is less time for the team to grow up
2.Starting with a whole new team every year has gotten old
3.This is/was the University of Kentucky not the University of Cal. Over the last few years Cal has distanced himself(and by so doing , the players) from the fans. he insinuates he and the team don't need the fans. He is in for a rude awakening, which has already started.
4.We fans were here before Cal and if we live long enough we will be here after Cal. He is the coach of the team I have followed for 60+years so I wish him every success possible, but if he left tomorrow I would wish the same for whomever took his place.
5. It seems to me that Cal has very little respect for the fanbase, while I am fully aware what his style has done for many individual players and their families it seems he has lost the sense of balance between helping chase dreams/dollars and leading the most storied basketball program in college basketball history
This is how I feel, honestly I wish I felt differently but that is not the case.
Really. UVA has one final four in decades. UVA is the one that needs to step it up big boy.
and I can Bearly stand what I see going on with the Cats
Since 2016, Cal has:
*Lost to 22 unranked teams.
*Compiled a disappointing 22-18 record against Top 25 teams.
*Suffered embarrassing NCAA Tournament losses to sub-par coaches Tom Crean and Bruce Weber.
*Compiled a 5-7 record against Rick Barnes.
*Failed to make a Final Four.
^Its because of these types of things?
I said this to my boy today for what Cal makes a year and what Tubby made I don't ever remember Tubby having any loses like this in Rupp!