Iowa vs Oklahoma State

donboy6499

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The poster stated that DT "looks to be putting together a juggernaut". Okie State is not at that level quite yet, but the rapid improvement under DT is obvious.

What's also obvious is the talent that DT is assembling, as seen in the following Flo final P4P recruit rankings:

Class of 2025
Lockett (3)
Robideau (5)
Vega (7)
Routledge (28)
Ramirez (30)
Austin Johnson (54)
Guerrero (58)
Hickman (92)

2026
Forrest (1)
Ross (4)
Rainey (5)
Rainey (6)
Zinkin (11)
White (55) (seems underrated)

2027 (final rankings still pending)
Villasenor (7)
Hodgins (9)
Going to be interesting to see how he plays 133-157 the next few years with:
Jax
Vega
Raney
Raney
Ramirez
Robideau

I don’t think Ramirez is ever more than 133 so there will certainly be guys either sitting or transferring from that list.
 
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Wrestleknownothing

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Does NCAA grant ORS for non US Teams? For some reason, I thought I read that they didn't.
They do.

"Official tryouts and competition involving national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing bodies of the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation, or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic or non-Paralympic sport, the equivalent organization of that sport)."
 

98lberEating2Lunches

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They do.

"Official tryouts and competition involving national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing bodies of the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation, or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic or non-Paralympic sport, the equivalent organization of that sport)."
Thanks
 
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dicemen99

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And, note, I searched for his exact post using several search terms I knew would be in it, and it’s gone. I’m sure a lot of his prematurely boastful posts have been deleted now that he really looks like a clown
I am assuming that you noticed that Bob has pretty much disappeared from their board since we gave them the beatdown.

One post chiming in about Iowa not receiving any rev share and a reply to a reply calling a guy "stud" who told him to stop making excuses. That's it in about 2 months since the Iowa-PSU dual. Seems that he's lurking but no longer putting himself out there.
 

Dren007

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And, note, I searched for his exact post using several search terms I knew would be in it, and it’s gone. I’m sure a lot of his prematurely boastful posts have been deleted now that he really looks like a clown
That's why I try to get screen shots.
 

Dren007

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Saw an open practice where some guys were pushing each other, but they were mostly just giving each other homemade tats and dyeing their hair while TnT made wide-eye tough guy faces. Saw one guy take like 8 shots on the takedown dummy. He got stuffed on 7 of them and out scrambled and gave up the TD on the other one while Morningstar was pointing at the dummy and yelling stalling.
Why would he be yelling at Terry?
 

El_Jefe

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The mood will really plummet when their big 2027 class starts turning into kind of a wet fart. I don’t see Jaymes’ like difference-makers in that class
Their top 2027 recruit wrestled 145 on 2/6 and then has been at 152 since, including districts. Bassett + Harer + Music all at 145 must be a coincidence.

Another 2027 guy is already in a shoulder harness. At Iowa he'll enroll directly into grad school.

Also easy to see their sole 2026 guy getting pressed into action before he's ready. And the 2 top 2025 guys being good but not outstanding.

And their top 2024 guy getting zero career takedowns in regulation after NCAA Round 2.

Been one hell of a recruiting cycle.
 
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Their top 2027 recruit wrestled 145 on 2/6 and then has been at 152 since, including districts. Bassett + Harer + Music all at 145 must be a coincidence.

Another 2027 guy is already in a shoulder harness. At Iowa he'll enroll directly into grad school.

Also easy to see their sole 2026 guy getting pressed into action before he's ready. And the 2 top 2025 guys being good but not outstanding.

And their top 2024 guy getting zero career takedowns in regulation after NCAA Round 2.

Been one hell of a recruiting cycle.
To be fair on your first point, Bachmann only made 145 (147/148) two times all year; for team states in Hershey because it gave Faith much better lineup flexibility. It never seemed as if he was going there permanently. Now maybe another wrestler makes the cut for the team and the individual challenge in the postseason but I don't think that is something that can be held against him.
 

johnstownsteel

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Going to be interesting to see how he plays 133-157 the next few years with:
Jax
Vega
Raney
Raney
Ramirez
Robideau

I don’t think Ramirez is ever more than 133 so there will certainly be guys either sitting or transferring from that list.
I actually think Ramirez could be dropping to 125 . Think maybe it was Willie that speculated he might try to go down to challenge Sprately. Someone did.
 

El_Jefe

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To be fair on your first point, Bachmann only made 145 (147/148) two times all year; for team states in Hershey because it gave Faith much better lineup flexibility. It never seemed as if he was going there permanently. Now maybe another wrestler makes the cut for the team and the individual challenge in the postseason but I don't think that is something that can be held against him.
Botero's brother is their 145. He probably won't qualify for states and definitely won't place there. He also started the year at 152 and then went down to 145. I'd imagine they could switch weights if Bachmann wanted to go 145.

To be nice, we could say Bachmann going up gives Botero his best postseason shot, where he'd be undersized at 152. And that might be true. Coincidentally, Bachmann at 152 will score more team points at states, though FCA likely won't need it.

But this is not like Mouse or Berge or Carter or Duke bumping up for the competition. 152 is a far easier weight than 145 at states.
 

jstross

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watching the match for the 3rd time. Jax is fun to watch, Lockett Ugh. Ayala has regressed but Jax is still impressive.
 

Tom McAndrew

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Willie is gonna go ballistic over the officiating of the arnold match on Bascamania. I'm looking forward to it.



0:00 - Intro / Start of Show
06:15 - Officiating Again In the Spotlight
11:00 - Iowa/Oklahoma State - Weight by Weight
18:20 - Jax Forrest Burns The Redshirt, Techs Drake
39:30 - Second Half of Oklahoma State/Iowa
47:15 - Ryder/Arnold Match & Officiating
01:04:35 - Busegens/Joy, Mendoza/Frost
01:07:20 - More Upsets & Rounding Out The Weekend
 

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To my eyes, he looked every bit as thick as Blaze (if not more), especially in the lower half, and longer. Sometimes TV can be deceiving, so who knows?
Maybe it was the tv. I told my wife that he was the skinniest 133 i have ever seen. If he bulked up he could get to 149 no problems he is super tall and lanky. So is blaze but blaze has some muscle. Maybe it's my old eyes i could be wrong
 

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It's not happening this year, but you can see what they are building towards there. This year, they will come in second, although not really a close second. By next year, they will be leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else and will be moderately competitive with PSU. In two years, it's going to look a lot different. I'm here for it, too. It's great watching Penn State smash everyone else, but it'll be even better to have actual competition. I hope Cael and DT work out a series of duals as well. I get not wanting to go to national duals and wrestle 4 extra matches in November, but I think they can find a day to have a one off between the top two teams in the country.
If i was betting i bet ohio state finishes ahead of okie state their line up is just too good top to bottom to not score as many points as okie state. Bousakis should win more points. Davino will be close to jax. Mendez will win it. Stiles should be close to swiderski cannon should win the same or more than robidou. Okie state has advantage at 165 with lockett. Ohio state has better options the rest of the way except for merrill. It will come down to head to heads for sure
 
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The mood will really plummet when their big 2027 class starts turning into kind of a wet fart. I don’t see Jaymes’ like difference-makers in that class
The Kenny brothers will be the real deal. Duffy has a ton of potential that he ll never reach unfortunately bc Iowa banned scrambling around Spencers 3rd Acl inj.
And Amato could be an AA or he could get kicked out of school probably 50/50 chance with that one
 

AgSurfer

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Lots of banter on Facebook calling for TnT to be replaced. Wish I was the proverbial fly on the wall in their office to hear what they’re saying in private.
 

Psalm 1 guy

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I actually think Ramirez could be dropping to 125 . Think maybe it was Willie that speculated he might try to go down to challenge Sprately. Someone did.
If Bouzakis can do it then Ramirez might be able to. There is a video of him after his 2023 U20 bronze medal win where he talked about having to get his weight back off once he was pulled into repechage. He was cutting even back then just to get down to 61kg (134.5 lb.). I have been very impressed with his weight management this season. I was shocked when I originally heard he was going 125 this season.
 

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Wait so you guys really do like me 🤣 I knew it
 
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Another thing that bothered me about the Mat Official in this dual was the fact that of all the stalling he called, not a single stall call was made when the wrestlers were mat wrestling except for the mandatory 5 second count on Robideau. Robideau should have been dinged for multiple stalls during that absurd stall-ride. Even at the end, after the last stoppage (there was 15 seconds on the clock), Robideau simply laid on top - literally just laid on him for the final 15 seconds not even moving and the Official had zero problem with it. Robideau's entire RT-Advantage was nothing but bs riding.... pressing forward after bottom wrestler stood forcing him into a tripod.... running around the mat in a rear-standing position after the bottom wrestler had stood eventually pushing him out-of-bounds to gain a restart, extend his bs-ride and accumulate more bs riding-time..... forward pressure after a sit out and just sitting in that position........ etc....)

Folk needs to institute a mandatory count that if the top wrestler cannot break the bottom wrestler down from their base and improve towards, and show control towards being able to score from the top, within 30 seconds then the wrestlers should be put on their feet, no points awarded. There is way too much "defensive riding" in folk that has nothing to do with advancement, or control, toward scoring from the top position - the bottom wrestler should not be punished for these bs, desperation, stall-rides... and the top wrestler absolutely should not be rewarded for this bs including a RT point and often the match in the NCAA's match-determining TB nonsense. If the top wrestler has done nothing to improve his position and control towards scoring after 30 consecutive seconds, the bottom wrestler is by definition carrying the action (i.e., it is a defensive ride - the top wrestler is just doing whatever the can to maintain riding-time but is doing nothing towards scoring from the top...) and should not be punished by riding time accruing against them when they are carrying all the action that is aimed at attempting to score. At the very least, if the top wrestler has shown zero improvement towards scoring (i.e., breaking bottom wrestler down from their base) then RT should stop and wrestlers should be put in Neutral.