just first time I've noticed that username. perhaps I haven't been spending enough time on SPS...
Iran is touching the boats.
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Not really. Lots of grand jury info that is almost never made public. Lots of baseless accusations in Epstein's emails that are now thrown about like they are fact. I'm perfectly happy to believe that the email about Gates trying to slip his wife antibiotics is true, but it's also clear that Epstein likes to trash people after he feels like they have slighted him.
The question is how much were they cleaned ahead of time and we'll never know. It's possible he was actually running a successful honeypot operation that Israel and/or the US or other countries helped support. It's possible he was just a master manipulator and most people are happy to turn a blind eye to horrible people if that means they get access to a jet and a private island or possibly campaign contributions. I mean, I think the latter is obviously true. The lawyer from Obama's administration was apparently happy to help a convicted pedophile for some fancy purses, which seems like an insanely low price for your integrity and dignity. But we'll never know if that's all it was.
I agree. Biden could've done it and if there was anything there that clearly implicated Trump he would have. It's common sense, really.
And its unfortunate that more people don't have this stance. I've never seen someone fight so hard to keep something covered up who was actually innocent
Ha, staying in my lane is literally what I said I was hoping to help ensure I and others would do by asking for clarification.
Forcefully telling me to do what I said I was wanting to do is certainly one way to close out a response post.
Thank you for the clarification- it really helps since it didnt look like any actual established rule was broken, and so many others post the same type of thing each day without issue.
Your selfless service to The Pack is always appreciated and never doubted.
They were sealed by a judge and couldn't be released until a time that was after me left office. Trump and all his cronies ran on a platform of releasing the files in full until they found out what was in them and now we have our current situation with them
And by this logic Trump would release all information if they clearly did not implicate Trump.
I doubt it's all this stupidly simple.
If Trump was definitively implicated in the Epstein files, it would've been released back in 21-24. It would've been a slam dunk for the D's instead of them creating the legal Rube Goldberg machine cases they devised to try to knock him out of the 24 election. My gut says they're being held back due to creating a potential foreign affairs disaster. The ones released have already led to resignations in govt. and private corps within Europe.
This column really struck a chord with me about the whole thing:
Jeffrey Epstein and the Myth of the Culture Wars - Christianity Today
Some leaders of different political stripes teach us to hate each other, but they’re playing for the same team.
www.christianitytoday.com
The Epstein files illustrate how badly we are being played by the two political parties. They are almost all in on this together. Not just the Epstein stuff...they are all on the same side, the side of being rich and powerful. They create these constant, absurd culture wars to keep us all divided while they laugh together off camera.
This is not a conspiracy theory. The people fighting the culture wars believe in them, but the people leading them do not.
For the Epstein files themselves, it appears there really is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts, and many of them built a following by telling us there is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts.
I’m guessing they did it bc they know the surrounding countries (most of them) agree with the USA and Israel but just can’t really come out and publicly say it.
- I was not defending kentuckydawg.
- From how I read the interaction, the ban was confusing since typically on message boards, bans occur when an established rule is violated.
- From how I read the interaction, the ban was confusing since the baseless claim is no different from countless baseless claims that are made daily without penalty.
- People post an inflammatory comment to try and lock threads all the time, but arent banned. So that reasoning you provided isnt applicable.
Because of this, I asked for clarification to help ensure I and others arent banned, since again, a lot of people do the very thing kentuckydawg seemed to do.
As for your speculation and guesses on why we are bombing now instead of earlier, later, or never...I do appreciate your speculation and attempt to explain the 'why' behind the timing. It will be interesting to see in coming years what comes out as the actual real narrative. It may be what you posted.
Other posters get bans for the same thing. It isn’t exclusive to him.
I don’t think a there is there
at least not the “there” that many of you conspiracist think is there
So the admin that ran on transparency and accountability related to Epstein is now being mysterious for ***** and giggles? That doesn't make sense.
My guess is that no admin wants to be the admin that unveils the decades long corruption and protection of the elite - of which no admin is separated from. The admin that lifts the curtain will likely take the biggest amount of blowback. Fairly? TBD but I think that's the most likely reason for hesitation.
Yep. They both exist to propagate their own power. If you think back to both Bush and Obama platforms, they ran on the idea of pulling the two sides together. I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of both men on their expressed desire for doing so (other than general misgivings about political people not being honest).This column really struck a chord with me about the whole thing:
Jeffrey Epstein and the Myth of the Culture Wars - Christianity Today
Some leaders of different political stripes teach us to hate each other, but they’re playing for the same team.
The Epstein files illustrate how badly we are being played by the two political parties. They are almost all in on this together. Not just the Epstein stuff...they are all on the same side, the side of being rich and powerful. They create these constant, absurd culture wars to keep us all divided while they laugh together off camera.
This is not a conspiracy theory. The people fighting the culture wars believe in them, but the people leading them do not.
For the Epstein files themselves, it appears there really is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts, and many of them built a following by telling us there is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts.
However, what stands out to me is that pretty quickly after election, those efforts (or just talking points) were set aside and the parties would not allow any such thing. They are just manipulating for votes and it is all just a game of who can get the most power/money during the next election cycle, to the demise of our country via the incurred divisiveness and the fact that both sides are way more concerned about the next election than doing anything meaningful in the current term. Like a serial abuser, next time they are always gonna do better.
Glfr has been spared due to his inordinate ability to succinctly state his opinion. If he went on long and rambling diatribes it would probably be different.
This is the correct answer. We have one party in this country. Both parties want to make their side mad, so they miss what is really going on. The libs do it with the woke stuff, and the right do it with calling everything woke, etc. Both parties serve the rich and everyone else is left in the middle. You know why they didn't release information on Trump? Because he is the party. I do not know what he did with Epstein, but I do know he is either protecting himself or his friends.This column really struck a chord with me about the whole thing:
Jeffrey Epstein and the Myth of the Culture Wars - Christianity Today
Some leaders of different political stripes teach us to hate each other, but they’re playing for the same team.
The Epstein files illustrate how badly we are being played by the two political parties. They are almost all in on this together. Not just the Epstein stuff...they are all on the same side, the side of being rich and powerful. They create these constant, absurd culture wars to keep us all divided while they laugh together off camera.
This is not a conspiracy theory. The people fighting the culture wars believe in them, but the people leading them do not.
For the Epstein files themselves, it appears there really is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts, and many of them built a following by telling us there is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts.
whataboutism is the death knell of critical thought. who gives a $hite why it didn't. pretty much everyone agrees, and the information release to date shows, that many of these wealthy men are terrible people. nobody should get a pass. wrong is wrong. bad is bad. trying to, yet again, shift it into the other party is worse denies the fact that both sides are terrible. blind loyalty is never a good approach
I would add only that there is a group of wealthy elites who are immune from all consequences that normal humans experience and *a percentage of that group includes sexual deviants*. The larger problem is the fact that the uber-wealthy live above all reproach and are allowed to mutate into the worst version of humanity. No different than monarchs in Europe throughout the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries who were just as callous, indifferent and deviant as this ruling billionaire class is now.This column really struck a chord with me about the whole thing:
Jeffrey Epstein and the Myth of the Culture Wars - Christianity Today
Some leaders of different political stripes teach us to hate each other, but they’re playing for the same team.
The Epstein files illustrate how badly we are being played by the two political parties. They are almost all in on this together. Not just the Epstein stuff...they are all on the same side, the side of being rich and powerful. They create these constant, absurd culture wars to keep us all divided while they laugh together off camera.
This is not a conspiracy theory. The people fighting the culture wars believe in them, but the people leading them do not.
For the Epstein files themselves, it appears there really is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts, and many of them built a following by telling us there is a group of wealthy, elite sexual perverts.
Yep. And the ~50/50 right left divide is right where they like us to be. Your problems are to your right or left. Don't worry about up, peasants.
If that's the excuse you're going with, they still haven't been unsealed.
Ah,... the old "every single meaningful event happens to hide dirt released in the Epstein files" conspiracy. Anything to take down POTUS I guess, even if that claim makes you look really dumb.
Literally, NOTHING good has come from the release of the Epstein files. Nothing. No pedos are being charged, the victims are all now public for everyone to smear, dumb people use it for endless-baseless conspiracy theories, Trump is still standing and dodged another one of your dumb bullets, and many innocent people's names are being smeared for shaking Ep's hand at a dinner party.
I know one person who was actually right...... POTUS as usual (and as much as I hate to admit it, Bondi)...... when they said there was no reason to release them in the first place.
I love you all,
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Literally, NOTHING good has come from the release of the Epstein files. Nothing. No pedos are being charged, the victims are all now public for everyone to smear, dumb people use it for endless-baseless conspiracy theories, Trump is still standing and dodged another one of your dumb bullets, and many innocent people's names are being smeared for shaking Ep's hand at a dinner party.
I know one person who was actually right...... POTUS as usual (and as much as I hate to admit it, Bondi)...... when they said there was no reason to release them in the first place.
I love you all,
GOJ
The current admin has released more files than anyone.
Are there more files? I guess. I guess i'm sure there are.
I don't think there is some ring of hundreds of powerful men in the USA and around the world eating babies or going to Epstein Island to a large party with 50 to a hundred underage girls.
Does it happen? Absolutely but i don't think there is some organized ring of that going on.
It speaks volumes that none of these presidents have fully released them. Including Trump
No its not. Its logical thought.
Logical: if there was something in the files about trump, Biden and Harris would have found a way to leak them.
In all likelihood, there is probably some bad stuff in the files, but there is also some stuff that isn't bad but the lunatic conspiracy theorist will say b/c Bill & Ted's names are in the files they must be guilty.
I think that there is something in the files about all sides. The idea that ole "grab them by the pu$$y" is the least likely offender is about as likely as Clinton, "depends on your definition of it", not being involved in a bad way.
Except this isn't whataboutism. We're talking about hypocrisy around the same thing. One side gave no shlts about Epstein until they saw a political opportunity. The other side didn't want to release because of all the unsubstantiated nonsense they knew the other side would, and currently is, running with.
Bondi crapped the bed on the release. She should've been fired over it. She's an idiot. But republicans are the ones who have pushed for the release of those files all along.
At the end of the day, I think some on the oversight committee have it right - Epstein was running a honeypot scheme and had the clintons by the balls - and he really didn't like Trump.
The only reason I responded in this thread is because of KY calling Trump a pedo, which is not anywhere in the evidence. There are some crazy claims in those files about hundreds of folks. The Trump stuff was deemed not credible by a democrat DOJ.
And all of this is noise anyway. There would have been no reason for the democrats to create 34 counts on a novel interpretation of a law that was never used in a "crime" that nobody profited from when they could've just nailed him for being a pedofile. Some measure of common sense is appropriate.
I want everyone to hang - Trump included - if there's actual evidence that he was involved. Hell, there's not even direct evidence that Clinton was involved to the level that's been suggested. But none of that evidence is in existence. If it was it would've been used already, especially in Trump's case.
Oh sure the Republicans have only been trying to do the right thing and the big bad ol Democrats have been stopping them. Come on buddy
Why don't you read the entire post you quoted?
You can always tell the ones who are riddled with TDS.
The fact that neither side wanted to release them tells you what is in them.
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