We have seen seven interceptions in two games against defenses that are not very good. Don't give me how good Oregon is. They were the second to worst defense in all of college football last year. Should POB at least get a few series in the first half against Rutgers to see how it goes?
Is it time to try someone new at qb?
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Riley is too loyal of a guy to do it. He doesnt have the balls to do that. And Lee's obviously a "practice QB". Take away mental and physical pressure and I think he does well. Great arm, smart kid, mature and so many things you want from a QB. But when it's game time, and there are not do-overs, he sh*ts the bed.
If Lee struggles next week against Rutgers, even if the oline is playing crappy, you gotta try POB or Gebbia.
One of the commentators on today's football game called TLee a "statue". If we would've won the game, I might have gotten some satisfaction from the commentator's words. But, to the point.
Go back to a more conservative, run-based game plan with qb run as part of the package...just like last year. Pick out whichever qb is most capable for that game plan. Diaco's D mostly held NIU, turn-overs killed us.
Go back to a more conservative, run-based game plan with qb run as part of the package...just like last year. Pick out whichever qb is most capable for that game plan. Diaco's D mostly held NIU, turn-overs killed us.
Mike Riley loves a kid with a big arm and thinks he can turn him into an accurate passer. Lee had 23 TD's and 21 INT's at Tulane, and was a 53.5% passer. Through 3 games at NU Lee is a 52.5% passer with a 5 to 7 TD to INT ratio.
I think Mike Leach said it best, everyone takes the kid with the big arm and thinks they will be the whisperer who makes the kid suddenly accurate. Colleges grab the kid with the big arm, NFL grabs the kid with the big arm and yet QB play is pretty bad at both levels. This is what Riley is trying to do, Lee throws a beautiful ball, he has a cannon for an arm, but he just isn't accurate and makes poor decisions. You can coach and get a kid to look good throwing in shorts, but when you add a pass rush and a OL that struggles with pass pro you get what the kid is, a kid who makes throws he shouldn't and misses throws he should hit.
http://coachingsearch.com/article?a...hink-they-can-make-a-QB-accurate-but-you-cant
I think Mike Leach said it best, everyone takes the kid with the big arm and thinks they will be the whisperer who makes the kid suddenly accurate. Colleges grab the kid with the big arm, NFL grabs the kid with the big arm and yet QB play is pretty bad at both levels. This is what Riley is trying to do, Lee throws a beautiful ball, he has a cannon for an arm, but he just isn't accurate and makes poor decisions. You can coach and get a kid to look good throwing in shorts, but when you add a pass rush and a OL that struggles with pass pro you get what the kid is, a kid who makes throws he shouldn't and misses throws he should hit.
http://coachingsearch.com/article?a...hink-they-can-make-a-QB-accurate-but-you-cant
QB doesn't even have to be a runner. If one of them just has some awareness and can move in the pick, roll out, etc. it would be a big improvement
If you make a change, then it has to be a permanent one.
The only QB that actually makes sense, is to go with Gebbia.
Considering what happened today, the coaches will have this discussion.
They will weigh a season meltdown of interceptions against what they owe Lee, if anything, towards his future in the league.
I can tell you right now, Lee is not the kind of guy to handle this pressure all season long. I don't see it in him and believe he will fold.
The program will continue to fall like a lawn dart unless they make a commitment to some freshmen like Gebbia & Bradley and then don't look back.
As much as I want SE & MR gone, if they want to salvage the season, that is my best advice for them.
The only QB that actually makes sense, is to go with Gebbia.
Considering what happened today, the coaches will have this discussion.
They will weigh a season meltdown of interceptions against what they owe Lee, if anything, towards his future in the league.
I can tell you right now, Lee is not the kind of guy to handle this pressure all season long. I don't see it in him and believe he will fold.
The program will continue to fall like a lawn dart unless they make a commitment to some freshmen like Gebbia & Bradley and then don't look back.
As much as I want SE & MR gone, if they want to salvage the season, that is my best advice for them.
Riley has done things like this at QB many times, benched Canfield for Moevao at OSU, Katz for Mannion a couple of years later, bounced between Mannion and Vaz. Let Langsdorf call plays, took over play calling duties from Langsdorf.
Lee is awful, but the OL would make Joe Montana look like crap. OL would get abused by many HS defenses
I am sure he is working hard in the weight room and training table but Gebbia with his thin build at this point in his career will be split in half by this current offensive line. We can't do that to the new guy. Winking
Yeah, if you play like that against a patsy it might be time to let him sit for a bit. I don't think a full blown change is needed but give the other guy a chance.
NIU is a patsy of a team.
Cant believe im saying it, but I agree with Nikki. Said it to my brother while watching the game. We lose play Gebbia. What is there to lose? I know some will say more games, but really? Will we? Is Tanner Lee going to win us games? I just dont see it. I see a guy with little to no pocket awareness, little to no mobility even for a pocket passer, and a guy that locks onto receivers and forces balls.
but man, he lights up the passing academies.
Why do they owe anything to Lee? He has no future in the NFL and if he's not our best guy, he should be on the bench.
That was last year with a different DC. Remember how Bo turned our defense around in 1 year?
With as bad as our OL is, the best option might be Darlington and Ozigbo.
True. The last thing you want is a QB controversy head into the teeth of the conference schedule. It has to be a firm decision.
You also have to be prepared to take your lumps on the field and in the media. Throwing a true freshman QB onto the field right now will guarantee rocky performances, certain losses, and a possible recipe for disaster if the QB isn't given 100% support.
lol blaming Lee is laughable. Awful play calling, putrid protection, abysmal drops... did Lee play good? no. But to say he's awful is comical. Lee throws one of the prettiest, most accurate deep balls I've seen and we threw 2 of those yesterday. And guess what? One was a strike to DPE that he dropped and the other was a strike to JD that set up a touchdown. Langs play calling is just as much to blame. A swing screen on 2nd & 3 on the 10? When nothing good can come out of that play. Joke. Losing all game and we keep running straight for 2 yards and a cloud of crap. When we got in shotgun, guess what? Tanner looked way more comfortable. Line up in shotgun, throw deep, and stop running straight out of the I formation. Do what Purdue does.
Not going to call Tanner awful, but he does not have the QB intangibles that winning QBs have. And they aren't going to magically show up at 23 years of age.
You don't know that. I don't know that he does, either. The pressure and 28 point deficit on the road is hard to gage. So far from I've seen a QB that is a lot more comfortable in shotgun, throws a pretty deep ball, and steps up in the pocket (when he has one). I think his flaws right now are staring down his first read and his lack of not audibling at the line. But maybe Langs doesn't give him that option? Idk. But if people are going to blame Lee, you better put the same amount the blame on awful play calling, awful protection and awful drops.
I am at a loss on why it hasn't happened. 7 ints in the last two games should find ANYBODY on the bench.
You know who else threw a pretty deep ball? Jammal Lord. I would take Jammal over Tanner right now.
The play calling, protection, and drops do not matter when a guy is double-pumping quick, simple throws because he's scared. The misfires and INTs get into his head and stay there. That shouldn't happen with a 23 year old QB.
What are you talking about? Protecting the QB doesn't matter on the a QB success? And drops? You do realize 2 of Lees picks have happened because his arm was hit while he was throwing vs Oregon and yesterday, when he was decleated while throwing? Then Stanley let's the ball bounce off his face for a pick... have you watched the last 2 games? You do realize the first pick 6 is a design QUICK throw and Stanley was supposed to block the DB and he didn't. Awful play call and the DB made a spectacular play. Kudos to him. Lee has thrown 3 bad picks so far, but guess what, butterfly effect. Don't get put in a 28 point hole on the road and don't throw soft *** screens on the 10 yard line.
If a RB fumbled 7 times in 3 games he would be benched regardless of how poorly the blocking had been. Lee doesn't step up in the pocket because he does feel outside pressure. He locks on to one receiver. Has no feel for the short routes. Can't scramble and buy time. Next guy up...Gebbia or POB please.
Lol so you're saying all 7 of his INTs were his fault? Ok. If a RB fumbles, ITS 100% his fault because he's holding onto the football. A QB can suffer INTs at the cost of his teammates.
You can make excuses for Lee if you want. I'll just point out, Tanner was lucky to ONLY have 3 INTs yesterday. The reality is, he threw about seven other passes that should have been picked. Straight into double, triple coverage. To the worst targets you could throw to. If he's going to do that, at least throw the ball to Stanley or DPE and give them a chance to make an athletic play. Stop throwing the damn ball to Ketter.
Well said c3. Great coaching is personified by understanding your personnel and putting them in the right place to be successful. Week in, week out, with great pre-game and in-game preparation and analysis/modifications.
Riley and staff consistently do the opposite. I wouldn't mind losing if we accomplished this basic concept of good coaching.
A qb can also get lucky that dbs drop or don't make plays on balls. There was a lot of that yesterday. Most of the time you simply are what your stat sheet says you are.
Funny...last year we didn't give Tommy excuses.
Stanley and DPE are not good. Stan has had 4 embarrassing drops the last 2 weeks. DPEs confident is shot. Oh trust me I wish he'd stop throwing to Ketter to but unfortunately, something named Ketter plays a lot of snaps. And I'm not making excuses, just facts. Blame Lee, I don't care. But blame the OC and the entire offense as well.
Yup. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTH. It's so obvious that Lee is more comfortable in the shotgun and it's obvious he has an accurate deep ball yet we fail to put our players in the position to be successful. It's so frustrating.
Exactly. We can throw Payton Manning back there and he'd get killed! A lot if Lee's passes have been dropped. When a guy keeps getting clobbered over and over again, you can't blame the kid for getting rattled and trying to rush his passes and watching them sail or end up in the defenders hands. Yes he could make some better decisions but 90% of his play is a result of awful OL play!
So why not protect him from that poor OL play? Much safer on the sideline...
I don't think people are opposed to giving someone else a shot. They are taking exception to putting all the blame on Lee's shoulders. Mike and Mike had a good segment on David Carr versus Derek Carr and pointed out that IF David Carr would have had Derek's O line that he would have had a much more successful career. David got sacked over 4 times per game versus less than one per game for Derek last year. QB gets way too much glory and way too much blame.
That's funny. I don't care what side of the debate you're on.
I don't think any qb will be that great behind this O-Line but I think Lee should be doing way better than he is.
He seems to have the tools but he just doesn't seem to fit in with this team. I can't put my finger on what it is, but he just doesnt gel with the team and he cant get his rhythm or get in sync
He seems to have the tools but he just doesn't seem to fit in with this team. I can't put my finger on what it is, but he just doesnt gel with the team and he cant get his rhythm or get in sync
I don't know, but they could have made a deal with him to come here.. they might have guaranteed him to start this year? The only QB we had was POB in the same class, so it's possible they made something like that.. I have visions of Sam Keller right now.