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Is the 2009 recruiting class the best in MSU history?

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diddog

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Is the 2009 recruiting class the best in MSU history? I can’t think of another one in MSU football history that is better than this one.

Fletcher Cox, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Round, No. 12
Gabe Jackson, predict 2nd Round, could be 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Round
Darius Slay 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Round, No. 36 (went to JC first)
Johnthan Banks, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Round No. 43
Pernell McPhee, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round, No. 165
Josh Boyd, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round, No. 167
Chris White, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Round, No. 169

Nickoe Whitley possible
Tyler Russell possible
Deontae Skinner possible


So, it is possible that we will have: two 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Round picks, two 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] round picks (high 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] round), three 5th round picks, and maybe another 5[SUP]th[/SUP] or 6[SUP]th[/SUP] rounder possible. This class was close to four 1st round picks in Cox, Jackson, Banks and Slay.
Think if we got that in every class – we would compete for the SEC championship every year.
I can't think of another class at MSU that compares to this. 7 NFL draft picks already, 10 possible, in one recruiting class.
 
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I know what you are getting at and I know what agenda you are trying to push. However, if we had Croom and his Shitbird coaching staff "developing" these players, very few of these players would sniff the NFL.
 
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And just think about the guys that signed & didn't stick with it.

Billy Hamilton - setting records in minor league baseball, considered maybe the fastest player in the league

Johnathan McKenzie - surprised a lot of us as a freshman, but quit after a few games - may have really helped last year

Montrell Conner - projected to be a good LB but only wanted to play RB

Dennis Thames - would have been a nice to have him at safety, was a heck of an athlete
 
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121Josey

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Why did you say the 2009 recruiting class and not the 2011 draft class? This doesn't account for overall strength of a recruiting class top-to-bottom, nor their cumulative accomplishments (wins, honors, etc.) - nor as said above, those who left the program. For a recruiting comparison, the comparison ends when they step on campus, not when they leave campus.

I'd prefer to say that State has had the best talent development in the past 3-4 years than ever in its history.
 
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esplanade91

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cheewgumm said:
done and done
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I talked to a guy who played at MSU until I think 2009 and he said he only came to MSU because the head coach was African-American. I know you're being sarcastic, but we could have an entirely African-American coaching staff except the head position and not have the pull we had by having a black head coach. I mean, the guy did have other SEC offers, but he didn't turn out to be anything other than an average role player for us. If he had actually been a highly contested guy I don't think simply having a black coach would have been his deciding factor.

I'd like to point out that Turner and Smith had a lot to do with that recruiting class............
 
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Shamoan

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mcphee, bumphis, slay, and perkins all committed AFTER croom had been fired/resigned. mullen was hired on december 10, 2008.

Mcphee COMMITTED jan 1, 2009
Perkins COMMITTED jan 17, 2009
Bumphis COMMITTED jan 17, 2009
Slay COMMITTED jan 18, 2009

croom was fired/resigned on november 30, 2008. how many times does this need to be explained that in no way are these guys part of crooms class? the man was in the unemployment line when these guys committed and mullen was in the hc office. an argument can be made for the other guys, but these guys are off the table.
 
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cheewgumm

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Croom had every chance. He got good players but was stubborn to a fault, and a terrible coach. I'm sorry, I wish it had worked out, but he was horrid. Getting players is one thing, but dayum we sucked. Our offense was literally hard to watch. I'm afraid to think of how far ahead Ole Miss would be of us, if he had stayed.
 
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Hell, I didn't realize he was coming at it from a croom angle. All anyone has to do to disprove crooms recruiting is look at the 2008 class --- maybe the worst ever in MSU history.
 
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Shamoan

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if croom can somehow provide a standard 6 years of eligibility, perhaps we should reconsider.
 
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Sorry, but Slay counts toward 2011, not 2009. And you have to wait until after this year to see who else gets drafted.

But yeah there's no doubt it was a great class. And Croom should get half credit for it, no doubt about that. It's fact.
 
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fishwater99

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Who will be Mullen's first 1st rounder?

Is Mullen running out of Croom's players?
Did we peak under Mullen in 2010 with the Gator Bowl Win and 9-4 season with Croom's players?

Mullen needs to get an upset win this year. It's time..
He is 2-16 vs Top 25 teams..Both of those wins came in his first two years..[FONT=&quot]
2009 (win over #25 Ole Miss)
2010 (win over #22 UF)

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esplanade91

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Who will be Mullen's first 1st rounder?

Is Mullen running out of Croom's players?
Did we peak under Mullen in 2010 with the Gator Bowl Win and 9-4 season with Croom's players?

Mullen needs to get an upset win this year. It's time..
He is 2-16 vs Top 25 teams..Both of those wins came in his first two years..
2009 (win over #25 Ole Miss)
2010 (win over #22 UF)

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Slay was without a doubt a 1st round talent, regardless of him going early in the 2nd. Mullen has his brand stamped all over that one and there isn't anyway to dispute it. Who cares if he ever recruits a 1st rounder? Broomfield is a questionable CFL guy but we were able to ride him home in a lot of games (my point is that he was good but not next level good, just like a lot of good players for us). Quit comparing NFL rosters with NCAA success. Most of the best college football players (look no further than the Heisman fraternity) in the history of the game never lasted in the NFL. Does that make them a bad high school recruit?
 
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All those 2009 players count for Mullen too, pal. But, I'll play your stupid game anyway. Most likely next NFL guys from Mullen-exclusive classes is Autry, maybe Cox and Eulls after next year. No clue which round they go in.
 
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Not to mention, I guarantee Croom would have thrown Tyler to the wolves as a true freshman, and he'd have been just another burn-out QB on the all time list of MSU burn-out QB's. You know Mullen wanted to win immediately in year 1, and it took serious constitution to RS Tyler when your starter at QB couldn't have started at a Conference USA team.
 
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Got it. On a coaching scale of 1 to 10, Croom is a 1 and Mullen is a 10. Very few recruits sign because of a head coach. Assistants usually have the most influence on recruits. Things like the head coach being a renowned defensive or offensive mind, being charasmatic, or being African American can sway some recruits and their parents. Mullen may never possess any of these characteristics.
 
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BeardoMSU

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I'm your huckleberry; that's just my game...Jesus 17'n Mohamed, Croom was a horrible coach. If we had not gotten Mullen, We'd be in one **** of a hole, both to OM and to everyone else in the SEC. You people can talk about the '07 season all you want, but if you go back and actually look at how that season went; we were 17'n atrocious, at least on offense. We beat a building Bama, and what turned out to be a good Auburn team (largely thanks to Derek Pegues). We got blown the 17 out by LSU, WV, and Ark, and lost to a mediocre UT (at home) and on the road to USC. Don't get me started on the Liberty Bowl; I was there. That was one of the most pitiful displays of SEC "dominance" I've ever seen; we made their D look like 17'n world beaters.
 
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I think who coached them for the majority(all) of their collegiate career is a better indicator than who convinced them to sign a piece of paper when talking about who gets credit for their success.

And Croom was NOT a good recruiter. He would bring in one 5 star, then NR scrubs. Mullen brings in 3 star foundations... and sprinkles in 4/5* along the way.
 
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diddog

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I was comparing the 2009 class to prior MSU classes. For classes after 2009, the verdict is yet to be reached. I certainly think that you judge a recruiting class later, not by its signing day ranking, because, obviously, that is what good recruiting does - project player quality in college. Ole Miss was great at scoring high ranking recruiting classes with players that didn't pan out.
Obviously, there are some sensitive folks on the six pack that don't want to acknowledge the greatness of the 2009 class because by doing so might be construed by some as criticism of Dan Mullen. I did think Dan's first classes were very good, but I've been the first to acknowledge that Croom didn't recruit that well in 2005 or 2006 as he did in 2009. Also, Mullen's latest recruiting class could have five 1st rounders for all I know. We will have to see.
What I am saying is this: I can not think of another recruiting class in the history of MSU football that has had as much NFL talent as the 2009 recruiting class. Obviously, it has been huge in our success having all those NFL players on our team. I was hoping some folks would say, no, 1998's class, was better, for example.
I guess we need to get this season started and see what happens before any of these discussions can take place.
 
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fishwater99

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I agree Croom was a horrible coach and Mullen is definitely an upgrade..
But is Mullen a good enough recruiter to consistently win at MSU? Time will tell..
 
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esplanade91

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fishwater99 said:
I agree Croom was a horrible coach and Mullen is definitely an upgrade..
But is Mullen a good enough recruiter to consistently win at MSU? Time will tell..
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Bumphis, Perkins, Slay, McKinney, Autry, Evans, James, Arrington, Ross, and a handful of others say you're an idiot.

You keep wanting to point towards about 4 or 5 players that were really great here during the dark ages of Croom's tenure but you don't want to recognize that we're better at every single unit as a whole. A used car salesman could sell a doormat MSU program with no real starters to the occasional 4 star from down the road like Croom did. Takes a real coach who knows what he's talking about to do what Mullen has done. If you're basing everything off of rankings, go jump off a cliff. We live in a state where no one cares about our high school teams or athletes. If you truly care about recruiting move to another state. Literally every single "all time great" from Mississippi would have been a NR or 2 star on scout nowadays. Favre might have been a 3 star S prospect.
 
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fishwater99

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I care less about what people rank high school players. All that matters are the W's and L's.
We are in year 5, so I expect 7-5 or better in the regular season. Let's see what happens this year..
 
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Speaking of Slay, I think he would have been that deep threat receiver that has eluded us since Brandon McRae was on the roster....during Croom's stay. We could have used Slay as a return man as well. He was the most dangerous player we had with the football. His two years sure did go by quickly!
 
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esplanade91

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fishwater99 said:
I care less about what people rank high school players. All that matters are the W's and L's.
We are in year 5, so I expect 7-5 or better in the regular season. Let's see what happens this year..
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And Mullen is the first coach in how long with a winning career record? We have 10 seniors in large part because that 2009 class played as true freshmen or they were plug-and-play upperclassmen JUCO transfers because of Croom's shittastic recruiting, so I won't be TOO upset with a down year this year. I think most realistic fans feel the same. It's entirely wrong to base Mullen's recruiting success or failures on the 2013 season. You'll probably be disappointed and actually convince yourself that he can't recruit.
 
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So, just to be clear, is there some type of indirect argument that Croom was a better recruiter or player developer? Anyone that even thinks that is a defensible argument is a 17.
 
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fishwater99

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So we should expect a down year when the best QB in MSU history is a Senior.No, we should expect a better season than last.
 
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BeardoMSU

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fishwater99 said:
So we should expect a down year when the best QB in MSU history is a Senior.No, we should expect a better season than last.
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Gotta have people to catch the ball for the QB to have a better season than last. And if you didn't notice, we lost 3 starting (seniors, btw) WR's from last years team; that's a tough thing to replace. However, I do feel really optimistic about how this new lot will play this year, and especially next year, but it's still an unknown.

Also, regardless of how good our QB and WR's play will be, our schedule is much tougher this year, especially with Auby and OM appearing to be on the rise (at least somewhat...), and playing USC instead of UT - so, as many have said on here before, we could actually have a much better team than last year, and still end up with a worse record.
 
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The 2009 class didn't have enough stars and Ole Miss cleaned our clocks in crootin like usual.**
 
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