Is this true?

vhdawg

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Massey, if memory recalls, is a Virginia Tech grad student that came up with his own rating system in the 1990's that got included (and may still be included, I don't know) in the early BCS ratings. He retroactively ran the history of college football through his system.

If you want to claim THAT, go talk to Alabama about their 1941 National Championship.
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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What is sad is that we seem to only sprinkle good football years a few at the time every 15 years or so.

I don't have to have a national championship. Not winning a national championship, ever even, isn't depressing. It's those wheels falling off train wrecks of a season that really just sap the fan energy out of you and make you a real athletic pessimist. And repeateded season like that? Well, they give birth to message boards like this one.
 

pete1973

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Here's the funny thing on that: it kind of proves that NC's were more political then, as opposed to the BCS now. In 1941 when we won the SEC, I believe Bama, who we beat that year won the NC! Duh!

Also most of the years ole miss supposedly won NC's they didn 't play Bama and the Bear! They did play powerhouses like Chatanooga though!
 

basedog

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1) Are we having a winning season and playing for something?

2) Since it's late January and cold and I coached basketball, and it's inside well you get my drift.

3) Since John Cohen has taken over, I am assuming we will be playing for something big, can you say National Championship?

Now you tell me the 90% answer.

Hey I love football, but I love basketball and baseball just as much or more when it comes to Msu sports. At least we have tradition in both.
 

Brutius

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www.sixpackspeak.com is blocked at my work. yuku.com isn't but sixpackspeak.com is....
 

dawgoneyall

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I have heard that 1955 BS. I have heard the other national championship BS and BS it is and I notice you state the 1962 NC as fact which is also BS. You guys are too much.
 

Original48

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I was unaware that Peter Billingsly was even alive in 1960 so I am assuming that is some of Barbara Billingsly's people voting for your team. I am very close to giving you the recognition you so desparately crave for the '59 and '60 seasons due to the attention garnered by the esteemed Dunkel System. However, nowhere mentioned in this list is the Amory Weekly Wiper and until they are on board, I will not recognize your claim.
 

Todd4State

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RebelBruiser said:
Football is No. 1 at every school in the SEC with the exception of Kentucky and probably Vanderbilt.

Sure other schools do support their basketball and baseball programs, and they do so probably better than most conferences. However, the way I see it, there
are 10 football schools in the SEC, 1 basketball school, and 1 academic school.

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I don't think MSU is a football school, and if there IS a baseball school in the SEC, it's State just because our fans care a whole lot more about it than others. At most schools, if they had been in our situaiton, they would have just gone ahead and let Raffo take over. We started a freaking e-mail campaign to beg Cohen to come here, and it worked. And when he did finally arrive we had fans at the airport to meet him and his family, and we had two press conferences that were very well attended. That doesn't happen anywhere else. Not to mention that we have a long history of great attendance and success even before Polk, contrary to what he wants everyone to believe. Plus, when we had our SR, we blew away attendance records, and when we went to Omaha, we had a huge contingent that went.

I'd also say that South Carolina and Vandy are basketball schools in addition to UK.

Besides, if State is a football school, God help us all.
 

TilloDawg

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hey-day of UM football that they were allowed to count non-conference games(and wins) in their conference record back then when they didn't play some of the conference members ?

I swear someone told me this on more than 1 occasion.....
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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if you did not have enough conference games. ie, a Tulane, or GT that had, left the conf.... or someother approved team could count. The schedules were not quite as grueling as now. Good thing too, because players went both ways, up until the later 60's.
 

patdog

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When GA Tech and Tulane left the SEC in the mid-60s, some teams were left with too few conference games and had to count a predetermined non-conference game as a conference game. We had 1 or 2 games vs. Texas Tech counted as SEC games. Not sure if Mississippi ever had a non-conference game counted as an SEC game.</p>
 

RebelBruiser

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but I do look at all 3 sports' recruiting. And there's no doubt football's the money sport.

However I like basketball and baseball postseason much more than football postseason, except for whatever bowl MSU might be playing in. I hardly watch the
bowls. I turn to the NFL at that point. I still favor the bowl system, because I think it favors the little people like MSU, but if I pulled for Georgia or
LSU, I'm sure I'd want the playoff. Which is another thread altogether.

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I agree. Basketball and baseball season have better postseasons. I also agree though that I don't look forward to those sports nearly as much. With football, I start looking forward to it right after the previous season ends. With basketball, and baseball, I really don't even get too excited about it until the previous sport finishes.

On all the national championship talk that's decided to come out, I don't believe that any national championship claim is legit. Even the AP and UPI are bogus titles in my book. The BCS title is not a legit title either, though it's probably the most legit title of all of the titles recently, since it at least incorporates a 2 team playoff. In my book, voters do not determine a national champion, and they don't hold any more weight than a computer ranking system. Until there exists a playoff involving at least 8 teams, there won't be a true national champion.

Polls are all opinion. If it isn't being played out on the field, then it's not a true title. I'll give you that there are teams with better claims for titles, but never has a football team ever proved it on the field. For this reason, you see a whole lot of coaches that don't even talk about national titles in football. They realize that they have no control over a national title, so they instead focus on what they can control, conference titles.

As far as our national championship claims, who really cares? What it means is that we had some teams that were good enough that someone thought they might have been the best in the country. How does anyone know whether Syracuse or Minnesota or whoever was better or worse? Answer: They don't, and how could they know since there were so few non-regional games to help compare conferences and teams?

Even though our 1959 team doesn't have as many claims to titles as some other of our teams, they were probably the best one ever. They gave up a grand total of 21 points the entire season. That's an average of less than 2 points a game. Along with that, they held the record for highest scoring average per game by an Ole Miss team until 2001 (Eli's sophomore year). If you eliminate the 3 teams Eli QB'd the 1959 team still has the highest scoring average in Ole Miss history. It was a great team regardless of what polls said, and that's all that really matters. When you factor in that they avenged their only loss with a very convincing win in the Sugar Bowl over the only team that had beaten them, it's hard to argue that they might not have been the best in the country. So why does one opinion mean more than another? To me, they're all the same. An opinion by one group is no better than an opinion by another.

If you'll go back and do some reading on how the polls developed, you'll probably agree with me that all national championship claims are bogus, because all of the polls are really bogus.
 

RebelBruiser

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the AP, and at that time UPI? Anyting else is playing with yourself. 1955 lot of people behind that one.

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Just curious, but what makes you consider the AP and the Coaches polls to be legitimate polls?

You do realize that a poll consisting solely of fans from schools across the country would probably be more legitimate than the AP and Coaches polls don't you?

Do you know what most AP poll voters have to do each weekend? Most of them are assigned to a particular game in a particular city each week. If they are doing a night game for instance, they have pre-game responsibilities that keep them from being able to watch but maybe a few minutes of the early games. They only get to see one game that evening, the game they are assigned. On top of that, they have post-game press conference duties, along with the need to get their article submitted before the deadline. When you consider that they essentially only get to take in one game a week and only snippets of a few others per week, they really get less of a feel for what is going on in the college football world than the average fan. That's before mentioning that they have a deadline to meet with their poll votes. After all the other work is done, most AP voters are lucky to have time to scan the scores to determine how to vote for the next week. There have even been instances where a writer will misread the score from a game and drop a team in the poll after winning a game because they thought the team had lost.

As for the coaches, they are even less qualified to vote. Many of them don't even vote at all, leaving the responsibility to the SID or some other athletic department staffer. They spend all week preparing their team and looking solely at one opponent. They spend all day Saturday focused on only 2 teams. If they coach a 12 game schedule, then they have seen extensive footage on 13 of the 120 D-1 teams. Outside of reading the ticker on Sportscenter, they have no clue what is going on across the country. Yet, we still treat a poll of coaches as one of the most legitimate ranking systems.

When you actually take a look at the process of poll voting and the amount of information at the disposal of the voters, it's really laughable that anyone would think that either the AP or the Coaches poll should be considered decent ranking systems.
 

OEMDawg

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Definitely a very nice run for the Mississippi football squad. I'm sure your great grandpa remembers it like it was yesterday.....
 

RebelBruiser

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OEMDawg said:
Definitely a very nice run for the Mississippi football squad. I'm sure your great grandpa remembers it like it was yesterday.....

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I honestly don't care, because I wasn't there to see it. My point was that, especially back then, polls voting on national championships carry very little weight, so I don't think any particular claim is any better than another, and I still don't think national championship claims are legit, even though TV and the BCS have helped to offer at least a little bit more legitimacy to title claims.

The only thing you can do when you look back is say that your team in a particular year was good enough to be considered one of the best in the country. That's about all anyone can claim.

Edited to add: Again, this whole argument is irrelevant anyway, because over the last 30 or so years, which covers the lifetime of the majority of posters on this board, neither of our schools has had any nationally significant football seasons. We've both had a few seasons where we were close to doing really good things. For us, 1990 and 2003. For you, 1998 and 1999. However, all of those seasons would be considered average or even down years for programs like Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, or Florida.

Basically, there hasn't been anything to truly brag about in the state of Mississippi when it comes to football. Even USM's run of success and bowl games comes in CUSA which makes it nothing to brag about.