Is TSUN as good as they look?
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Vandy is not better than UAB, USA, and ULL. No chance. They lost to Temple. At home. By 30. It took a last minute field goal to beat UMass. At home. Who lost to Colorado.
Why would ull be ranked ahead of uab and USA? Ull has been murdered by both the division 1 teams they've played while USA beat a division 1 team and uab also? Not saying these rankings are incorrect, but I think preseason subjective rankings are playing a part
Yes, I'll be shocked if they don't win the National
Championship. The have the self-proclaimed best QB in the SEC, and probably the best D-Line I the history of college football. I hope Bama can keep it close going into the 4th quarter, and possibly pull the upset in 2 weeks.
Championship. The have the self-proclaimed best QB in the SEC, and probably the best D-Line I the history of college football. I hope Bama can keep it close going into the 4th quarter, and possibly pull the upset in 2 weeks.
I remember back when the bears were #4 preseason and fell hard and fast because they were over rated. Im both worried and sad to say that im not sure that is the same story this year. Yes they have played some easy opponents but they have also showed no signs of struggle outside of the first 1/2 of the boise game, which could be written off as getting the first game jitters and issues out of the way. I am a die hard bulldog dont get me wrong but more than that i am a rational human being and try to view things as they sit not as how i want them to sit. The rebels look like a solid football team all the way around the ball for the first time i can ever remember. They have a foreign punter who is the real deal.. Can punt with both feet and has a huge leg. We will know more over the next few weeks about them as well as us but right now I dont want to face them in oxford, lets see how the year plays out. Luckily we get them at the end of the year, where they tend to slump a little. But if we continue to run dak the way we do he may not be healthy or even playing come the egg bowl in oxsmeer.
UM has the best QB in the SEC, a stable of RBs, an All-American WR and LT, and several others on offense who could compete for All-SEC honors. They also have three or four future first round picks on defense (according to Booger McFarland), the best D-Line in the SEC, two All-SEC LBs in Nkemdiche and Bryant, and the best safety tandem in America.
Frankly, with that talent- how can UM NOT win the conference and make the playoff?
Frankly, with that talent- how can UM NOT win the conference and make the playoff?
Im picking up some sarcasm and believe me I don't buy they are going to win the west or the SEC ( obviously not possible without winning the west) but i think we would all be putting on our maroon blindfolds if we say this is not a good rebel team and quite possibly the best all around rebel team they have fielded in a very long time.
This team is no where near their first cotton bowl team under Nutt. Everything they have now, they had then. They had a stud left tackle (in NFL form, not young and undeveloped form), they had an NFL burner at WR (but again, closer to his NFL form than treadwell), they had NFL Dlinemen, adn they had a QB with a 10 cent head (except he actually had a good arm).
I think Ole Miss's team is good this year, but they're still undersized on Defense and paper thin at several places, most importantly the offensive line. With the way the SEC is set up this year, UM is good enough that they can probably beat anybody, but they can also lose to just about anybody they have left in the SEC. Arkansas, LSU, and MSU should be tough matchups for them style wise. A&M and Auburn are better matchups for them, but they're also probably better teams, so matching up with them stylewise might not be enough. Bama is to them what LSU is to us, so they won't beat them. I don't think they will, but they could go winless against the West. More likely, they'll go somewhere around 3-3 or 2-4, and that will be a pretty decent year for them.
Rankings are ********. OM is ranked #10 right now and they've played teams that aren't any better than who we've played, collectively. Maybe worse. Ole Miss is a media darling in spite of themselves. It's not an easy thing to understand, but it's the truth. Espn should start calling them Univ. of the Grove-at Oxford.
ULL and Boise are both better than any team MSU has played so far. Boise is 2-1 with wins over Colorado and a decent UCONN team while USM is the worst team in the country and UAB is not far behind coming off of a 2-10 season. The stats back this up as well.
If you're gonig to look at last season to judge UAB, wouldn't you have to say ULL is much worse than USA?
The reality is neither of us have played a good team yet. Boise is probably decent. Vandy is awful. ULL is bad although not bad for a sun belt team.
UAB is probably mediocre (I'm guessing they'll be a good CUSA team, but that's assumign that we aren't terrible). USM is awful. USA is bad although not bad for a sun belt team.
Neither state nor Ole Miss have played anybody good enough to tell them anything yet.
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Do they? I'll give you Boise (the team you struggled for 3 quarters with), but the other two are equal at best. Using UABs stats from last year is like using ULL's. UAB would be favored against ULL, and at this rate probably would be favored against Vandy.
Here we go,
look I'll conceded that Boise is probably better than anyone State has played (at this point), but how can you say that about the rest. I am not so sure Vandy is any better than USM. They're both pretty terrible. Also, how is ULL better than USA, at this point? Hell USA skull17'd them just 5 games ago.
look I'll conceded that Boise is probably better than anyone State has played (at this point), but how can you say that about the rest. I am not so sure Vandy is any better than USM. They're both pretty terrible. Also, how is ULL better than USA, at this point? Hell USA skull17'd them just 5 games ago.
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Uconn results:
Loss to Byu 35-10
Win against stony brook 19-16
Loss to BSU 38-21
Yeah, they're "decent" *
I think they're a very good 8-4 team (SECW) until Bo gets hurt.
Going 8-4 in the SECW is hellaciously good and especially so this year. There's no one in the West that I really want to play. Based on their stats, they can't run the ball. Also, based on stats, Wallace isn't running much at this point. With a crappy offensive line, and I don't feel like a homer saying it when every Ole Miss fan I know agrees, Wallace is going to get hit both in the run game and by better pass rushes than they've faced so far.
Their defense, while apparently very opportunistic, has a problem in run defense. I see no reason to think they won't be solid the rest of the year but they aren't shutting down anybody in the SEC if they can't defend the run. They'll have to take more chances on offense which means running Wallace more, moving him around more in the passing game, and ultimately taking shots. He'll get hurt. More pressure on the D to make up for a faltering offense (have we seen this before? yes, I think we have) and the struggles kick in.
Going 8-4 in the SECW is hellaciously good and especially so this year. There's no one in the West that I really want to play. Based on their stats, they can't run the ball. Also, based on stats, Wallace isn't running much at this point. With a crappy offensive line, and I don't feel like a homer saying it when every Ole Miss fan I know agrees, Wallace is going to get hit both in the run game and by better pass rushes than they've faced so far.
Their defense, while apparently very opportunistic, has a problem in run defense. I see no reason to think they won't be solid the rest of the year but they aren't shutting down anybody in the SEC if they can't defend the run. They'll have to take more chances on offense which means running Wallace more, moving him around more in the passing game, and ultimately taking shots. He'll get hurt. More pressure on the D to make up for a faltering offense (have we seen this before? yes, I think we have) and the struggles kick in.
A few things here:
1. I'll concede that Boise is the best team that either of us has faced.
2. USM scored 12 points against Bama. Do you think Vandy would score 12 points against Bama?
3. USA, USM, and ULL have so many JUCO transfers and D1 transfers that enter their team every year, that comparing one year to the next is a dicey task, due to roster changes. Not sure that we can go after anything other than what we have seen on the field this season.
1. I'll concede that Boise is the best team that either of us has faced.
2. USM scored 12 points against Bama. Do you think Vandy would score 12 points against Bama?
3. USA, USM, and ULL have so many JUCO transfers and D1 transfers that enter their team every year, that comparing one year to the next is a dicey task, due to roster changes. Not sure that we can go after anything other than what we have seen on the field this season.
Is Bo Wallace still at QB? Tough to see them making much noise if he is.
Also, it's pretty obvious you're an OM fan. Using words like OxFART and TSUN isn't enough to mask the pro-"Webels" tone in your posts. Just an FYI.
Also, it's pretty obvious you're an OM fan. Using words like OxFART and TSUN isn't enough to mask the pro-"Webels" tone in your posts. Just an FYI.
Given that it was last season, I think most people probably should ignore it.
Ole Miss also beat LSU last season, you think that matters now?
I think they are for real. I mean, they went 7-5 last year and beat three bad teams so far this year. You have to add in that good recruiting class they had 2 years ago. They will most likely win the west and go into Atlanta with 1 loss.
Then what would you base ull being better than USA on? Bc they only loss to la tech by 28?
Freeze has a system made for running it up on bad defenses. Didn't we figure that out last year? They looked like world beaters til Bama beat them 25-0.
Vandy, ULL, UAB, USA, and USM are all garbage and to be honest, any of them could've played with the Boise team that showed up in the 2nd half in Atlanta. With that said, OM is a solid team. I think their #10 ranking is a little generous but not too much. They haven't proven anything, but they haven't really had an opportunity to.
I don't know that it matters but if you want to try to measure the crappiness of our opponents, another way is ESPN's Football Power Index.
They have:
8 OM
17 MSU
46 Boise
84 ULL
87 UAB
94 USA
104 Vandy
120 USM
(out of 128 FBS teams)
That to me is probably more accurate than the Sagarin numbers. Boise is decent. USA and UAB are bad. USM and Vandy are horrible. ULL, I haven't watched.
Vandy, ULL, UAB, USA, and USM are all garbage and to be honest, any of them could've played with the Boise team that showed up in the 2nd half in Atlanta. With that said, OM is a solid team. I think their #10 ranking is a little generous but not too much. They haven't proven anything, but they haven't really had an opportunity to.
I don't know that it matters but if you want to try to measure the crappiness of our opponents, another way is ESPN's Football Power Index.
They have:
8 OM
17 MSU
46 Boise
84 ULL
87 UAB
94 USA
104 Vandy
120 USM
(out of 128 FBS teams)
That to me is probably more accurate than the Sagarin numbers. Boise is decent. USA and UAB are bad. USM and Vandy are horrible. ULL, I haven't watched.
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