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The fact you think Tom mentoring his replacement, who wrestled for PSU, is a realistic option is reason for our discussion to wrap up. Truth is I don't remotely believe you truly think it's realistic, but admitting as much is clearly not possible. I will hand it to you though, you can double down with the best of them!
Lmfao. I never said anything about “mentoring”. Smith wasn’t mentoring Coleman Scott. He was letting him get to know everything to try to make for a seamless transition. Obviously, that didn’t work out for more reasons than DT, but it’s actually a sound plan.
Nolf, has no experience running a program. Even DT had to hire a guy just for that reason. Give Nolf a couple years to watch Brands at work and get used to the Athletic Department. He can see what works and what doesn’t. I am not saying he has to become any thing close to a Brands acolyte, but if you don’t think he can learn a TON over that timeframe then you are truly clueless.
Finally, it seems you are stuck on the word “realistic” and are twisting it into knots over Nolf. I even said I really don’t think even Nolf is realistic, but I at least laid out a way I would consider. You don’t have to like it, but hey, you haven’t come up with one I would even consider so, we are about as far off as it gets. Again, good luck and I hope you get what you wish for…
When the HWC is thinking out of the box and doing creative things you have a chance to bring things back
Just curious...have you ever had a one sentence response? Insufferable.....
Max askren head coach, lee, nolf, haines and snyder assistants
Pay
500,000 head coach
300000 each assistant
That's about what is handed out currently. They might not turn around the program right away but they would put out an exciting product. I don't need #1, just some excitement. Add carr or cassar in if possible.
Pay
500,000 head coach
300000 each assistant
That's about what is handed out currently. They might not turn around the program right away but they would put out an exciting product. I don't need #1, just some excitement. Add carr or cassar in if possible.
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"I'm not saying anything about mentoring"...
one paragraph later - "Give Nolf a couple years to watch Brands at work and get used to the Athletic Department. He can see what works and what doesn’t." And save replying with the definition of mentoring, we all know what you're doing.
Here's something you should try instead, "Yeah, the more I think about it, I don't see Tom being real easy to work with in a situation like that, especially when we're talking about a guy who didn't come to Iowa, wrestled for PSU, kicked our *** for 4 years, and is here to replace him, never mind".
B/c everyone whose paid any attn to Tom over the last 30 years knows that's the truth.
He had three big 12 championships and was 2nd, 5th, and third with two individual champs and David Taylor's commitment .
The point is you don't know who the next legend will be, so you better try to grab him early if you recognize his potential .
The camp stuff was literally cleared by the NCAA as perfectly legal before any of it happened. So you're saying by following the rules, they were cheating?
I'd say so. That's my point Taylor might end up more Tom Ryan than Cael or Gable. Which is still a great coaching job.
No one passed Gable and it might work out that way with Sanderson .
Maybe 5, maybe not. Barring losing our recruits we have a great class coming in a couple years, and it only took DT a year before he really locked in his first great recuiting class. I think with the right person at the helm we could be like OSU and compete with them in 3 year. But we can't wait to years for the changes otherwise I think we're toast.
With NIL money and the portal, along with a strong performance this year, that "paper tiger" could have wings. Again, I don't think those wings will take Ryan to where DT and OSU are going but I do think they will be solid 3-6 team for at least the next few years if not longer.
I get that Tom has done better, but that's because he was handed the keys to a very big castle when he came to Iowa...and Iowa is simply a better wrestling school than tOSU. You're right, it's not easy to get a great coach but when you're a football program like Alabama the great coaches come to you. I think the same will happen when Tom decides to move on. Iowa is a great place for college wrestling and the great coaches will want to come to Iowa City.
Agreed. The break with the Brands has to be clean. It’s definitely not a good idea to keep them around to show the ropes to someone who’s going to replace them. That’s pretty much as dumb of an idea as I’ve read on here.
Back in the day when it took 15 takedowns for a tech fall.
Ok, sorry, it’s the dumbest thing I’ve read that wasn’t posted by IronTurd when he’s off his meds. Is that better?
I went back and watched all 4 of dakes ncaa finals snd world titles. Hes hands down the next best after CSanderson and DT! He coaches now at nlwc and spartan while training. By far most decorsted and id say grestest D1 wrestler of all time. 4 wt classes and beat some legends along the way.
If you watch his trsining on you tube its very unique, smart and scientific for wrestling.. obviously a rare smart wrestler
cornell grad.Ive seen hes slready worth millions smd backed by several major brands. I also guarantee he’s got a real good pipeline of donors between Cornell and all his international success.
you watch his interviews they’re solid. There’s just nobody even close to him and whoever gets him if it’s not us will become a top program above us.
I think dake would cost to much and I'm not sure he would enjoy the admin duties. As far as an assistant, he'll yes..I went back and watched all 4 of dakes ncaa finals snd world titles. Hes hands down the next best after CSanderson and DT! He coaches now at nlwc and spartan while training. By far most decorsted and id say grestest D1 wrestler of all time. 4 wt classes and beat some legends along the way.
If you watch his trsining on you tube its very unique, smart and scientific for wrestling.. obviously a rare smart wrestler
Ive seen hes slready worth millions smd backed by several major brands. I also guarantee he’s got a real good pipeline of donors between Cornell and all his international success.
you watch his interviews they’re solid. There’s just nobody even close to him and whoever gets him if it’s not us will become a top program above us.
Functional Patterns and grounding. Been saying that’s the Hawks problem for yearsI went back and watched all 4 of dakes ncaa finals snd world titles. Hes hands down the next best after CSanderson and DT! He coaches now at nlwc and spartan while training. By far most decorsted and id say grestest D1 wrestler of all time. 4 wt classes and beat some legends along the way.
If you watch his trsining on you tube its very unique, smart and scientific for wrestling.. obviously a rare smart wrestler
Ive seen hes slready worth millions smd backed by several major brands. I also guarantee he’s got a real good pipeline of donors between Cornell and all his international success.
you watch his interviews they’re solid. There’s just nobody even close to him and whoever gets him if it’s not us will become a top program above us.
I don't think we should be worrying about Lee as a future head coach and instead maybe we should be worrying if he's going to make another world team, let alone another Olympics.
I think the idea of him eventually coaching is fun, but I now have the sense it's a pipe-dream and perhaps not a good one at that.
Is he coaching up any of the current guys in the HWC? How about even rolling with any of the guys on the collegiate roster? Is he still rolling with Drake? If so, then none of that is translating over.
Lee was an underrated scrambler. Is he working with any of the starters in that area? What about his arm-bar series? Because FFS we can't turn anyone anymore.
I loved him wrestling for us. I love him repping our US team. But when it comes to "coaching" up anyone else I just ain't seeing it. At all.
Now maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
If Nolf or Dake or JB is ready to step in at Iowa, then light that fuse and get it going. We cannot afford to wait another 3-4 years on a HUGE if in Lee.
Where I do agree with you though, is getting one of those guys on staff as an assistant. If they're fairly compensated I truly think they'd jump at it.
Nolf and Dake are 100% professionals. They're fully aware that if they want to coach they need to start somewhere. Now it's whether or not TNT will actually do what's necessary and right and make that move.
Why do you guys always mention Nolf but not Zain. Zain actually coaches, he’s been a full time coach since the Olympics. He’s a world champ, Olympian, made 4 world teams. His last 3 years of college was one of the most dominate stretches in history . 2x Hodge winner. He could bring back punishing top wrestling which iowa used to be known for. And in the process you might steal the guy Cael grooming to be his replacement since DT jumped ship on him.
Zain grew up like 80 minutes from State college, his wife has a business in state college, his wife's family is from here, his family has a business on the family farm, and zain literally gave up mid six figures on wall street to stay in state college because he can't bring himself to leave the place. Other than that, yeah, he'd definitely go to the school he hated since he was a child.
Also, if I had to guess, the next Penn State coach is currently on Penn State's roster.
Nolf, Zain, Hall, and Nick Lee are the best candidates of the ex-PSU guys (maybe Cenzo, too). Add in guys like Dake and Burroughs and possibly Kolat, and that's your A list.
Dake is still committed to competing internationally.I went back and watched all 4 of dakes ncaa finals snd world titles. Hes hands down the next best after CSanderson and DT! He coaches now at nlwc and spartan while training. By far most decorsted and id say grestest D1 wrestler of all time. 4 wt classes and beat some legends along the way.
If you watch his trsining on you tube its very unique, smart and scientific for wrestling.. obviously a rare smart wrestler
Ive seen hes slready worth millions smd backed by several major brands. I also guarantee he’s got a real good pipeline of donors between Cornell and all his international success.
you watch his interviews they’re solid. There’s just nobody even close to him and whoever gets him if it’s not us will become a top program above us.
Desperately wants that Olympic Gold so he most likely won't be looking to be a head coach until after 2028 Games.
It was still a pretty big crowd but nothing like Carver Hawkeye normally is for a dual against another Titan of college wrestling. 184 ended and a mass exodus took place. Not putting that on the Brands though, as there was still a very good 285 match ahead. It is still one of my favorite places to watch a dual meet because even with the size you really have a pretty good view even from the top. Carver cones are pretty good too. The support people at Iowa know how to host a dual. I can't imagine this head coaching job being easy to turn down for any serious wrestling person. . Insane facilities with a huge fan base and amazing history. I think the women's program being on the forefront is a draw too. Zain or any other assistant would listen to the pitch.
But seriously, did this Iowa alum opine on this board and vote in its two polls, because that's what'd be most impactful.
@johnsears what's your handle?
Agreed on all accounts. I was actually surprised by this picture, as, based on the scoreboard this is during the 1st period of the 141 pound match.
Wait WAIT, the POS ncaa cleared it BEFORE it happened?????? RIGHT!!!! This IS the POST of the Month right here folks!!!!!
Ok and DT also had a farm, a wrestling academy, a family and was the coach in waiting behind his mentor . I’m sure plenty said Cael would never leave his Alma mater especially after forcing out his legendary mentor to get the job and then move his entire family and extended family to the middle of Pennsylvania but yet here we are.
Turning down Wall Street is not the same as turning down the head coaching job at Iowa if you don’t think Zain would very seriously consider it then you re crazy and need to take off the blue and white colored glasses
Cael loves Kyle Synder , he may be a coach or run the NLWC at some point . Burroughs would never go to Penn State , he could get hired almost anywhere he wants and I would guarantee Penn state isnt on his list.
No, they are separate screens. In this picture, you can see the jumbotron in the center of the arena and then the screen they showed in the previous picture is the one that says 125 in this one:
Is this AI? Some talented photoshopper messing with us?
This can't be real for a Top Ten dual in Carver Hawkeye, typically standing room only. Can't be. Can it?
I mean for the Iowa job, not Penn State. Somebody on the PSU board mentioned that they think Mesenbrink will be the next PSU coach, and that makes total sense to me if Cael has 10-15 years left.