Messenbrink will probably be at Wisconsin by then, coaching up Askren's boys.
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It's possible, but he's got this year and next and probably through at least 2032 or 2036 Olys to try to get an Olympic gold, then probably coaching after that. I'd think PSU would bring him on board as an assistant ASAP, but who knows. He seems like someone who is going to be one of the generational coaches like Gable or Cael, so wherever he ends up is going to be very lucky to have him.
Your dreaming if you think all those top dog Alfa male wrestlers will work together in harmony, especially since their styles differ. TNT are identical twins with the same philosophy. Also, I don’t even think okyst billionaire would flip the bill to hire that dream team. He already pays Taylor 7 figures with the university only kicking in $300,000. You would also need a ton of money to get the guys you want in the HWC. Nolf said he already has an idea who he would want on his staff, and emphasized building the RTC wherever he lands to help recruiting like PSU did. I think the guys from the Cael coaching tree are going to be the most successful coaches, just like the one who came from Gable back in the day.
You have no clue what you're talking about. I went through this with Vodka a decade ago both on and offline. There is a reason no one talks about this any more - if you actually looked at the financials in total, you'd never bring it I up again. PSU wasn't losing any money running the camps. Some years they were running 15 to 20 of them including their team camp which is a four day residency camp for HS wrestling teams. At $300 a pop per wrestler so you can imagine the revenue brought in. And there area lot of expenses required in addition to counselor fees.
At ETR we were running clinics at the time and the counselor fees PSU guys could getwere typical of what you would pay. On the higher end, but reasonable considering the draw of those guys. They are more expensive than you think even for non-PSU guys who have D1 experience.
How much money was flowing through the J-Rob camps when they were running? A heck of a lot. And they started in Iowa.
Great marketing for PSU, great opportunities for some of their wrestler to make extra cash in the summer, perfectly legal to the NCAA. I'm sure Iowa was probably doing some of the same (don't know how many they do or how extensive), maybe not as many or expansive. And the wrestlers didn't do them for free.
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Serious question and not a question slanted/slighted. The NCAA only cares that counselors are paid fair market value. What was fair market value for the top Penn State guys? How did that compare to a top ranked guy with a title or more at any school not named Iowa? Actual figures would be nice.
I thought I read somewhere they were having trouble selling out. Is that every dual or just this one? 100 other programs, including PSU, would love Iowa's attendance numbers.
That's all you really needed to reply to him. LOL.
Yikes! I thought this photo might have been taken before the dual started or possibly after 184, but looking at the jumbotron - it was taken during the third match of the night against the #1 team in the country.
This is what is referred to as The Beginning of the End. Even for a "fringe sport" like Iowa Wrestling.
Okie State is solidly 4th in the tournament standings just 4 points out of 3rd via Intermit and 1 point out of 3rd via FLO. And DT is in his second year...and he has a boat load of top recruits coming in the next two years. Class of 26 he gets four of the top 6 and then at least another two of the top 10 in 27. I don't think Okie State has a long way to go; perhaps you just don't want to see what's in front of you. Just like the captain of the titanic...only he had no clue it was there, whereas you see the iceberg but want to pretend it won't sink you.
Not only that, it's the middle of the first period with Bailey up 3-0 in the only match Iowa won. That was taken at the very peak of the night for Iowa. You should have expected everyone to be in their seats cheering right then.
To be fair, though, if you look at the other picture of the arena that I posted for comparison (during Spencer's intro at some random match), that section in the PSU picture is pretty empty, by far the most empty in the whole arena. I have no idea what match that was, though, or if that section is typically only half full.
MSU is drinking some funky kool-aid and trying to sell it to us...
I'm willing to take that chance. There's no excitement now outside of PK and Mikey, and we're looking like an NCAA 5-8 team so how much worse can it get. Let's roll out the changes!
When Nolf was on Flo and they asked him if he would be interested in being Taylor’s top assistant, and he said he’s only interested in having his own program as head coach.
There again, we're comparing everyone's standards to Iowa's standards. I like our standards and I'm not willing to give them up just yet. And if we bring back the excitement people will come. Hell, I remember 4 or 5 years ago taking 12 hours to drive back to Nashville because of a huge *** snow storm. Knowing that the storm was coming I still made the trip for those two plus precious hours in CHA. People love Hawks wrestling; they just need the excitement back.
I'm expecting Ok St to overachieve their seeds like PSU used to 15 years ago and finish second this year, although well behind PSU. Starting next year, it's a two horse race every year.
This. It's silly to think that Taylor won't continue to strengthen that program quickly.
Sidenote, Mocco is obviously a stud but I think the Brands missed big time with not recruiting Dreshaun Ross from Fort Dodge. He will be a monster for Okie State. I saw him wrestle a couple times and he is an athletic freak!
Lmfao, I literally listed “what is there” in several posts. Go back and read. One thing I don’t do is come to an argument without all the facts. PSU should outscore OkState by at least 50 points and maybe even a hundred. They aren’t REMOTELY close.
I even listed the recruits committed the next 2 years and PSU has, so far, out recruited OkState in 2027 and with a stacked starting lineup they STILL recruited Jayden James this season. Mind you, I am NOT a PSU fan and really have nothing against OkState.
Again, I have listed PSU’s guys in glaring detail and mentioned every pertinent guy OkState has and will have through 2027. OkState may beat everyone else, but they will be hard pressed to score within 30 of PSU and probably closer to 50….
Very top guys were charging a few thousand. Some other guys $500 and up. Lots of variability - duration of appearance, type, etc. No idea about Iowa guys as we are on the Eastern side of the state, but the PSU guys could command more than say a Drexel guy. We did have an Iowa guy from our highschool, Josh Dziewa, but I was never involved in any clinics with him. Josh mostly ran his own training gigs when he was here.
Snyder isn’t coaching anywhere in Iowa city nor is a askren. Laughable to think Carr would even consider it. Cassar could help with our outdated roids program.
That's what I see, with perhaps Tom
What you said - and what I replied to - was that "OkState has a LONG way to go to be put in a tier above everyone but PSU, and the distance from there to actually joining PSU in that lofty, top tier is even further than that…
And what I'm saying is that I think you are dead *** wrong. I'm saying that it will NOT be a "LONG" time before Okie is a tier above everyone but PSU. In DT's second year Okie's likely going to finish in the top 3 and then next year likely top 2. I mean how many f*ing tiers are there? And what's a LONG time?
I like reading much of your stuff but sometimes you have to take your head out of Wrestlstat and Flo and look at what's happening in the wrestling world.
Lmfao. So, use feelings instead of actual facts? Got it. Sorry, but I am simply not wired that way. What I have hinted at several times, and should be pretty evident by how I post here, I am NOT a PSU fan. I respect the hell out of what they have done, but I am NOT delusional.
Not only has PSU almost never missed a beat, they are now BY FAR the best they have EVER been. Their RTC may actually be even better than their college team.
I am not saying OkState won’t be damn good and I would actually be HAPPY if they somehow beat them. But, watching them break the scoring record 2 years in a row, while poised to do it again this year, my eyes actually send that info to my brain and my brain tells me they are in a tier SO far ahead of everyone else, arguing a team is catching up to them in a couple years while losing by 70-100 is 100% irrational…
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LMAO yea right!!!
^^^^THIS^^^^ The gr* Krailure was getting away with paying them whatever he wanted and the compliance dept was contacted by someone on the old board and they never responded!!!
The EXTRA funny thing is, what $$$$ they were giving kids "under the table" !?!?!?
How about GETTING OFF his D and READING and LOOKING around!!!!!!!!!! The A$$HAT is KILLING pos ncaa d1 wrestling SINGLE HANDEDLY!!! and you jack wads are TWOOOOO stupid to either know this or admit it!!! Which is it????
Talks above^^^^ Have F*** st and OakTree st doing battle????? GEE Y????? F-in $$$$$$$ and NO OVERSIGHT!!!!! Ooowww they brought in taylor oh boy!!!! Let B1G man taylor go to a skool with out a Billionair backing him and see how he does there!??!?!? LMAO!!!!
SOOOO drink you f-in cool-aid somewhere else FOOL!! NOTHIN to see here, just watch what happens if pos ncaa stays on the path of DESTRUCTION!!!! Wrestling AINT Football, NO team can be INDIANA FOOTBALL where they brought in MANY transfers with a average team age of 23 I believe???
Current POS ncaa rules has ALL small sports teams in a B1G bind and WRESTLING is right in the crosshairs because of that SCUMBAG over in that low LYING swamp!!!! and who pays??? The fans pay-lost programs, competition, excitement!!! The kids pay , lost opportunities, interest, USA wrestling pays, smaller numbers, less competition!!!!
Yea well MAYBE some will start HEARING what I have been saying BEFORE it is TWOOOOO late!!!! There is/was ONLY one place in the USA(maybe the world?) that could draw 15K plus fans to most any good dual!!! It is an INCREDABLY SPECIAL bunch of fans in and around IOWA that still love the sport that much!!!!
MOST on here, MOST wrestling fans have NO idea what a draw Wrestling was. I believe the FIRST sports event in AMERICA to draw a 100K fans was a Wrestling event maybe Gotch vs Hackenschmit? In some other countries, Wrestling still holds an ELITE status!!! Many stories of how Wrestlers are HONORED and make a great living off of it!!!
WEIGHTLIFTING is yet another example I would bring up because it is VERY relevant to this subject!!! AGAIN MOST will have NO clue that AMERICA DOMINATED the SPORT of WEIGHTLIFTING(YES it is a SPORT!!!! how many even know this????)
SOOOO many great stories can be told, then what happened????? PEDS mainly and the SPORT in AMERICA is just about DEAD!!!! From CONSTANT CHAMPIONS and WORLD/ OLYMPIC RECORDS to----- I bet ANYTHING no one one here even has a clue who is the current champions and what are the current records????
I saw it/ went through it with POWERLIFTING( another sport!!!) Wrote a WHOLE article about what was happening and why it is not in the OLYMPICS!!! I mean just look at some of the absolute PATHETIC CRAP that is in the OLYMPICS!!!! Yet a REAL sport such as Powerlifting had no chance!!! WHY
RULES & DRUGS!!!!
OUR current POS ncaa has F**KED up the rules so here WEEEEE go!!! You lose IOWA and the sport is DONE!!!
David isn't from PA, nor is his wife. Cael was also not from Iowa. Things are different with Zain. I'm telling you, he would not consider the job. moving 12 hours away with young kids is not what he wants to do.
Penn State checked if what they thought of was legal, NCAA said it was. Penn State went ahead with it. Not too hard to understand.
Arguing with him (or presenting facts) is like arguing with a rabid raccoon. There is no point.
My friend, you must be a little dense in the head. Feelings instead of facts? You told me there's no chance OSU was going to be a tier above all the others except PSU for a LONG time and I'm telling you you are full of sh*t. And who said anything about OSU breaking the scoring record let alone beating PSU? Your deal is that you take what someone says, mix it up in that f'ed up brain housing group of yours, and then spew out a bunch of crap mixed in with your Wrestlestat factoids that collectively and/or individually have no relevancy whatsover to what the previous poster said. You always want to be the smartest guy in the room, but sadly you're not even close. But I will give you credit for attempting to be the most manipulative. What a bullsh*tter!
I'm not sure you two are that far from each other in the overall scheme. MSU thinks between what PSU has currently and what they have coming nobody and he means NOBODY is touching them in the next 3-4 years. Nashville thinks OSU with the young guys there and the next wave of recruits will soon move into 2nd place alone and threaten PSU. I think OSU will move into 2nd place island by 2028 NCAA and threaten as soon as 2029. When I say threaten I mean still lose but within the margins so the team race isn't wrapped up Friday Night. We could all have different definitions of what it takes to be considered a threat. Some people think tOSU is a threat to PSU this year where I just don't see it.
Possibly. Brands has done better than Ryan of course and the next fellow might get it done.
You and I are of the same opinion. MSU tries to put my words in a blender and then tell me I'm wrong about something I never even said. Guy's a stats guru, which I appreciate, but he's also a content manipulator which I don't appreciate. All of that said, I'm sure he's a great guy and this is just a wrestling board so in the grander scheme of thing it's pretty far down there. But because we love our wrestling regardless of who we cheer for things always get a bit touchy. LOL.
None of us are any place near normal. What kind of idiots travel in frigid weather to Lincoln, NE or Fargo,ND in January or Feb. to watch a couple hours of guys doing battle on a mat? Worse yet when I don't go I have several screens going so I can watch BTN,BTN+,Espn+,Flo, and any other steam I can get. We all love this sport. I'm at this moment deciding if I should take the 3 hour drive to stinkin Lincoln tonight. Do I really want to hear a certain white haired goon yell and whine for 2 hours? My grandson really want to go so I'm thinking I will do it. They cancelled school so we could hit the road around noon.
Lmfao. How many times did you use “2 horse race”? Do you know what that saying even means? YOU are the one that moved the goal posts. NOT me. If you simply said you believed they would clearly be ahead of everyone else, we wouldn’t have even had this back and forth. But, YOU DID NOT.
I didn’t argue one bit that they wouldn’t be ahead of everyone else. But, a 2 horse race directly implies that they would have a truly realistic chance at beating PSU and I simply showed how UNREALISTIC that is.
Maybe pick your words better before calling me the dense one…oh, and go back and read again regarding “tiers”. I was talking about their actually being in the same tier as PSU, not a tier above the rest. Right now, PSU is SO FAR ahead of EVERYONE that there is actually room for multiple tiers above the rest before even reaching PSU…
Semantics I guess. If you host a race with two horses both lining up to race one another I'm sure you are saying one can't be an enormous favorite? In any event you guys are not that far from one another in actual thoughts about team situations moving forward. I think OSU will be alone in tier 2 within a couple of more years. Challenging PSU in a serious way could take a looooooong time. It is probably still a one horse race for some time.
When the saying is used to disregard 75 other teams it is NOT meant to be used that way. If he did he used it incorrectly and never said otherwise. In fact one of his very first posts was about coming back to him in a couple years to see OkState being right there with PSU.
If he clearly says PSU will still be quite far ahead of OKState even in a few years, I will be happy to concede. But, I am pretty sure he won’t and, if he did, it’s a major change from how this all started.
To be clear I can see how he thinks this. If you believe Jax>Blaze. Vega>Ono,Rob>Duke. and Dlock is going to win it once MM graduates it could be a real race in 2028. I don't believe all of these are true and really not sold on any of them.
Don't even try it brother. You know and I know, you're a manipulator and a ******** artist. Save your crap for someone else. BTW, currently Okie State has 6 freshmen in the top 9 in DT's second year. Yeah, there's no chance they'll be a tier above everyone not named PSU for a "LONG" time...whatever! Go pester someone else.
Words have meaning. Choose them better if you don’t want to be challenged on them. I couldn’t care less what you think of me. Out of everything I have posted here, that stance has been made abundantly clear. You said what you said. I directly called you on it, with clear, unmanipulated data.
You can obfuscate all you want, but resorting to insults in the end clearly shows how far behind in this argument you fell…