Here's what I do know -- we had a Georgia fan on here telling us the guy is not UK material. And I know he's watched a whole lot more of him than any of us have.
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Or some interesting after dinner candies..."Pass those titty mintz, please"
Honestly though, if your pg can hit a high percentage of threes, he can control the game anytime he wants. That’s what Brandon Knight did and that's also what Abmus and Mitchell (Baylor) did.
Mitchell was unguardable in the tournament, especially the title game. He hit deep threes and spread the court out, then he drove to the rack at will.
If your pg can't shoot, you lose a big offensive weapon. I know we want to look at everything as if the best possible outcome is going to happen, but we have seen this movie too many times and today's game is different than it was even 5 years ago, all your guards need to be able to shoot it at a high percentage.
He hit 47% from his 2 point baskets which was higher than Ulis. He averaged almost 2 steals so although he averages 4 turnovers, he takes it back 2 times. His true shooting percentage stat is 47.1%. He doesn't shoot the three that much. If he shot it a lot, then 22% would be bad. But you need to put it in perspective. If he makes 8 more over the whole season, he is a 33 % 3 point shooter. This is for those only focused on the percentage and not digging any deeper. For those saying the ball was stuck in his hands show he is a much better player then they give him credit for if he still averaged over 7 assists and yet he still held on to the ball...lol. Some posters on here do not make.much sense. He accounted for over 26 % of their offense...
Are you related to him? Not an attack but you are vehemently defending and advocating on his behalf.
But he didn't hit 8 more threes. You are what your stats say you are.
Heck, if I was another foot taller, maybe I could play the 5 for UK.
You are trying to put a dress on a turd. 22% is a turd, if's and but's, are nothing but you trying to slap a pretty prom dress on said turd. The fact is, he didn't hit 8 more threes.
No it's not. It is putting it in perspective. If I make 1 out of 3, I am a 33% shooter. If I hit just one more, I am an excellent shooter at 50%. If I miss the next one, I am at 1 out 4 which makes me a 25% shooter. 8 more made threes is nothing over 26 games. It shows he did not shoot that many threes if only 8 made threes would make him a good three point shooter. I know it is hard to understand for some and it goes against your argument that he was a bad shooter but he did make 47% inside the 3 point line. That is better than Ulis so are you saying Ulis was a horrible shooter as well since Ulis could not shoot as well inside the 2 point line?
Our 2019 team could shoot, but our pg couldn’t. He also had a turnover problem. If you watch our 2019 E8 game against Auburn, you'll see Hagans throw the ball to Auburn, in crunch time, more than he threw it to his own teammates.
Your pg can’t be a turnover machine that can't shoot whether he's the secondary guard or not.
I get it, you are looking at him in the best possible light and that is admirable of you, but the truth is, those stats are poison and there are better options.
You are what your stats say you are. Playing the "if" game is stupid. He literally did not do the things you're trying to piece together.
Well yeah, if he made more shots, his percentage would be better, but he didn't make more shots. This isn’t fairytale world where you can make things up and play pretend, the truth is, he was one of the worst in the country at turning the ball over and he is on par with Askew when it comes to shooting. Are you good with bringing in a guy that is a slightly better version of Askew? That's what Wheeler is.
Hopefully it’s Washington starting and Wheeler as the backup.
Give me Washington at the 1, Fredrick at the 2, and Grady at the 3 to spread the floor out with their shooting. Bring Wheeler in to backup Washington and Allen to backup the wings.
Give me Washington at the 1, Fredrick at the 2, and Grady at the 3 to spread the floor out with their shooting. Bring Wheeler in to backup Washington and Allen to backup the wings.
Hagans was a 6' 4" defensive nightmare. He made up for his turnovers and lack of shooting by hitting defensive home runs, wheeler is 5'10" and is nowhere near the defender Hagans was, so we would be getting a guy with no length that turns the ball over at a high rate and can’t shoot.
Be honest, if Hagans was an average defender, would yiu still hold him in high regard?
So you would rather have wheeler than Alvarado, Mintz, CJ, Tyty or Hardy?
Truth is, there are much better options than Wheeler.
I'm wondering though, are you somehow related to Wheeler? You're trying really hard to sell the guy. You're even trying to play the "if he hit more shots" game, which is really odd.
Hagans was an offensive liability. Teams completely sagged off - both years he lost confidence as the season went. Guy missed wide open layups.
Wheeler was Second Team All SEC. Hagans was not at that level.
No context matters and so does sample size. If you could simply take stats at their worth, then we could all make a bunch of money in sports gambling.
Now you are just making **** up. #1 in the SEC in assist, 5th nationally. Of course he did have turnovers, he played 35 minutes per game, but he did not rank in the top 20 in the category in the SEC, but he did rank #1 is Assist% 38.5 per game.. And his supporting cast was ****, If I remember correctly, Hagans had IQ and Maxey (2 NBA draft picks sharing the load). Apples to Apples and such. Bottom line is this, He averaged 14PPG / 3.9 RPG / 7.4 APG / 1.7 Steals PG / yes he had over 4 TO's per game, he was the ONLY ball handler / distributor. Obviously his 7.4 APG was #1 in the SEC / 5th Nationally, but his Assist % tells the real story about other play makers. 38.5% (#1), and 34.3% for his career (also #1). TS% of 50% and EFG% 46%. His 16.2 PPG produced factors in the turnovers, he was #3 in the SEC behind only Moses Moody and Cameron Thomas, pretty good company.
His APG % of 38.5 was number one, his turnover % was not even in the top 20 in the SEC. HMMMM. When you play 35 MPG and handle it as much as he does, turnovers will happen, especially with the cast around him.
Hagans was on the all SEC defensive team, he was an elite defender, how Wheeler made 2nd team SEC, I'll never know, but I would take Hagans over Wheeler any day of the week.
Doesn't really matter, we're splitting hairs when comparing the 2 players, they both have major flaws, I just happen to think Wheelers flaws are worse and he can't make up for those flaws on the defensive end the way AH did.
But hey, maybe Cal and Chin can reign him in. Afterall, he was a freshman last year.
When those stats are amassed over an entire season, you certainly can take stats at their worth.
If you step up to the free throw line and go 5-10 in a single game, well, maybe it was a bad day and you can't judge a player on that one game, but if you do it all season long, well, you're a 50% free throw shooter.
Stats don't lie.
Don't you think things will be different given the talent around him, the coaching he'll receive, and oh, I don't know, about 10 other important factors that come with switching programs and adding an offseason of experience and learning?
Seems like we have several better options out there.Why not the Tech kid or the Arizona state kid that just went into the portal?If we get Tyty we can afford to wait.
I don’t know who was lining up, as a veteran transfer, to compete against Washington, who is arguably the fastest rising recruit right now. He’s a short, very quick distributor that will be surrounded with much better players that has actual SEC experience (the exact type of guard that has given UK fits in the last several years).. He should be a nice, steady force in the beginning of the year, which we haven’t had for years. I’m not understanding the hate. Think he should be a great help at PG and bring Mintz back and LFG
I get that but we have had a ton of UK fans on the website blast about every Wildcat player short of AD. I am sure a few blasted him as well.
PG - Wheeler
SG - Washington
SF - Grady
PF - Brooks
C - Oscar
Bench: Frederick, Collins, Toppin, Allen, Hopkins, Ware
Looks good on paper. Even if Brooks transfers…I am optimistic.
SG - Washington
SF - Grady
PF - Brooks
C - Oscar
Bench: Frederick, Collins, Toppin, Allen, Hopkins, Ware
Looks good on paper. Even if Brooks transfers…I am optimistic.
How the hell do you know? Mintz is a 2G, he didn’t even play point over Devin freaking Askew, tyty and wheeler dont effect him.
Wheeler isn't coming here to ride the bench.Wheeler will start at point and Tyty the 2.
I talked to wheeler and he said he’s fine backing up TyTy. TyTy told me he’d prefer to play the 1 and Cal wants him to play the 1.
Ashton Hagans at his worst, the 2020 SEC season:
Points - 10.5
TS% - 46.9
Assists/40 - 6.9
Turn/40 - 4.4
Stl/40 - 2.2
Wheeler last season:
Points - 14.0
TS% - 47.0
Assists/40 - 8.5
Turn/40 - 5.1
Stl/40 - 1.9
Ashton Hagans, at his worst, was quite similar to Wheeler.
Points - 10.5
TS% - 46.9
Assists/40 - 6.9
Turn/40 - 4.4
Stl/40 - 2.2
Wheeler last season:
Points - 14.0
TS% - 47.0
Assists/40 - 8.5
Turn/40 - 5.1
Stl/40 - 1.9
Ashton Hagans, at his worst, was quite similar to Wheeler.
Hagans was one of my least favorite players ever.A shorter version of him doesn't exactly fill me with joy.
Well, the bad news is that Hagans is, statistically, quite a bit better than Wheeler, and from an efficiency perspective it’s not close. Combining both offensive and defensive win shares, a team with Hagans at PG has a scoring margin against opponents that is roughly 11 points better over the course of an average game than the exact same team with Wheeler at PG.
So...yeah.
Doubtful that Alvarado will be transferring here. I guess Wheeler would be the next best available option, outside of Mintz and Hardy. We need another ball handler. Might as well add one while we can. JMO.
Nah you can't. No context. Like someone else mentioned, was he forcing threes or taking them in the flow of the offense ? He "amassed" a 32% 3 pt percentage in his freshman season ....so which is representative of him? 32% or 22%? More importantly, what would he shoot at UK with a much better cast around him and an understanding that his role is to distribute, not be the primary scorer.
Stats don't lie.....interpretations of those stats do though.
How did Mintz put up good shooting stats on the worst team in Uk history?
Calipari averages about 10 more wins per season when he has a top 5 pick on his roster.
Where is that guy going to come from? I like all of our players, but we need a star. Hardy, and only Hardy, is the answer.
Pony up the perks and prizes and get him to Lexington. All other chatter is nothing more than yapping about finishing somewhere outside of a national title game appearance.
Where is that guy going to come from? I like all of our players, but we need a star. Hardy, and only Hardy, is the answer.
Pony up the perks and prizes and get him to Lexington. All other chatter is nothing more than yapping about finishing somewhere outside of a national title game appearance.