Ole Miss is a better job at this time.
James Franklin has been fired.
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That would depend on what his goals are. The ceiling is higher at Penn state with an easier path to the playoffs. The expectations are over what they should be for the level of program they are though.
Absolutely agree to disagree.
Thats why I said it depends on what his goals are. I’m sure Penn State could match whatever Ole Miss is willing to pay if they really wanted to do so. If his goal is to win a national title it is easier at Penn State. If he just wants to get paid a lot and coach with no pressure then Ole Miss is the better job.
This board does not understand how to run and make a rumor. I wish they did, because this one could have caused aneurysms by Wednesday this week
Moorhead to Penn State...he's done about as much as he can at Akron.
That could be a 12-0 schedule. Michigan should be the hardest game on there.
He's seen what has gone down at north Carolina. I think that he's smarter than to go back and ruin his legacy
I love all of the Penn State fans talking about how dark these days are.
Look at that buyout. They could easily out purchase ole miss.
You say that but do you think ole miss is going to be okay going back to where they were once the sec coaches reset. It'll be like us with Mullen. We had some good years but when a couple disappointing seasons hit, they'll be looking to push him out.
And if he and his ex wife really got back together do you really think she's going to want him where he's been slinging it around,
Not really on the expectations. Both expect the playoffs. Penn State could easily match the pay if they chose to. But they're going after "their type guy" and that's not Kiffin.
Right now, that’s very debatable. Big 10 is the better conference, at least at the top, and has been for a couple of years.
I don't think it is. OSU and Indiana? Nah they don't play many good teams. OSU struggled with a team Florida handled. Michigan lost to a mid OK. That conference is down a little, SEC is looking stronger overall.
I think Indiana beats any team in the SEC. And playoff results the last couple of years don’t lie.
It's unlikely they'll hire somebody better, but it's extremely unlikely they'll hire someone better than if they had taken half that buyout money and put it towards NIL.
They're paying basically around $8.3M a year for him to not coach. If I were a booster, before I ponied up that, I'd want to say, lets put another $4M to NIL next year. Surely $2M a year would get you an absolute beast of a DL and one of the best OTs available? You give most coaches a DL that has to be doubled and a reliable OT, and they are suddenly going to look like a much better coach.
But of course if I were a booster, I'd probably say I'll just spend that $4M on hookers and blow and enjoy that as much or more than a good football season.
Two things. A national title is never easy anywhere. And there is pressure at Ole Miss. Just like there is at Arkansas, VirgInia Tech, UCLA, etc.
I would add no coach cares about the pressure to win anywhere. Any halfway decent coach is putting more pressure on himself to win than the fans are. If you've got a coach who has a problem with the pressure, you've got the wrong coach.
Two things here
1) Once they feel like they have their guy, PSU can meet any number that they need to hit
2) While I do agree about the less expectations part, let's not discount the fact that Kiffin has been falling a$$ backwards into the easiest possible schedule every single season that he has coached at OM so far. Over the last two seasons, we will have played a minimum of 13 ranked teams + a team that was in the final 4 of last year's playoff by the time this season is over. OM will have played 5. My point being that we'll have to see what the OM fanbase's expectations look like when he's not continuously winning 10 games against an absolute cream puff schedule.
His contract automatically extends another year if he wins 7 games. I'm not sure if that is enforceable under the 4 year limit on state contracts, but it won't be challenged unless there is a year where he wins at least 7 games and UMiss doesn't want to give him an extension for some reason.
I think that's sort of right, but even if coaches put a ton of pressure on themselves, I think most would still prefer to not have to worry about people putting for sale signs in their yard if they go 9-3. Not so much that they'd rather coach somewhere without the resources to win a national championship, but there are degrees of craziness from fans. Will they say, pass up coaching at Auburn to stay at Ole Miss because Auburn has too much pressure? No. But will they potentially hold out for a place with crazy fans that isn't second fiddle in their own state? Quite possibly.
And coaches obviously get tired of the BS from unrealistic expectations also. Saban bitched about fans complaining about squeaking by an SEC team (I think it was an Arkansas game). Mullen obviously resented the hell out of people second guessing him and criticizing him about recruiting; that's not exactly the same thing as pressure to win but pretty close.
But at the end of the day, yea, it's not going to move the needle much if it's at a place that has the resources to legitimately compete for a national championship.
Don't think it's going to be applicable to PSU, whose fans/boosters obviously aren't going to be satisfied without a national championship, but I think the easy path to the playoffs could be a much bigger deal to coaches in the future. WIth the playoffs as big as they are, it's not like you can just hope to get to the championship and then who knows what happens. You're not going to win by beating up an easy schedule and then getting lucky in the playoffs.
But you have to get to the playoffs to win it, and at most places, getting to the playoffs reasonably consistnetly is going to guarantee you tenure. I could see coaches thinking being 1st in the Big 12 or ACC at the right school is going to be consistently easier than being a top 3 or 4 SEC or Big whatever school. If you're a good coach, does Texas Tech, TCU, and/or Baylor have the resources to let you dominate the big 12? You could get lucky with scheduling and only have to face one good team a lot of years.
Just my .02, Penn St seems a lot like aTm. A place with lots of fans and money but for whatever reason not a place that's easy to win a conference or NC title.
I am thinking back over the many decades. While they won the NC in the early 80s, have they truely been close since?
I guess for the first time last year (since 1994) with Franklin as they made the semifinals. They did Franklin a favor.
I am thinking back over the many decades. While they won the NC in the early 80s, have they truely been close since?
I guess for the first time last year (since 1994) with Franklin as they made the semifinals. They did Franklin a favor.
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They essentially were co-champs in 1994. Went undefeated, as did Nebraska. Both major polls (LOL) had Nebraska #1. There was no BCS or playoff. But they essentially had the exact same right to claim one as Nebraska. They also had a hell of a lot more right to claim one than Auburn in 2004, but that didn’t stop them.