ACC improves to 7-3 vs. SEC this season. At least 3 more ACC/SEC games: VT-Arkansas, GT-Kentucky, Louisville-LSU.
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5-8 still ain't great. Worst year of the new millennium for the SEC.
Usually these comparisons are stupid. When they place the sec's #7 team against another conferences #5 it isn't a very fair comparison
Right, what other conference has TWELVE teams in bowl games?
Please put any of these ACC teams in the SEC and let them go through an entire season and then come back and see the results.
Vandy accounted for 2 of those wins by the ACC.
Vandy accounted for 2 of those wins by the ACC.
Most years I'd be inclined to agree with you. I don't think it washes this year though. Amazingly, UK may have the best OOC win of any SEC team not named Alabama.
That's my point. The SEC had some teams (LSU, UGA, Ole Miss) that are usually very good that were a little down. On average, Beating those teams mentioned above is a great accomplishment because they are normally very good.
In the past, UK, Vandy and Miss State were usually easy wins for most teams. Oh, I know there were exceptional years, like when Franklin was at Vandy. Hopefully, in the future, teams won't put a W by UK prior to playing them, as a lot of teams did in the past. I want the SEC to do good, but the one I care about is UK. Vandy and UK have been doormats long enough. Vandy may remain there, but I believe UK is tired of it, and will do something about it.
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I think we ARE doing something about it.
We have a long way to go though, Bama has six five stars-------including ours from our home town.
Ranking teams in their conference just based on their conference record, here are the results:
Sec 2 Florida lost to Acc 4 FSU
5 Tenn beat 3 Va Tach
5 Georgia beat 4 UNC lost to 7 Ga Tech
5 UK beat 1 UL
9 South Carolina lost to 1 Clemson
9 Vanderbilt lost to 7 GA Tech and 8 NC St
3 Auburn lost to 1 Clemson
13 Ole Miss lost to 4 Florida St
So, as you see, almost every matchup pitted a team from the SEC that finished lower in their conference than the team they were playing did in the ACC. UL and Clemson who had the best record in the ACC played in 3 games while Alabama played in 0. SEC was down this year but you matchup teams 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 all the way down, you probably find quite different results in this case.
Sec 2 Florida lost to Acc 4 FSU
5 Tenn beat 3 Va Tach
5 Georgia beat 4 UNC lost to 7 Ga Tech
5 UK beat 1 UL
9 South Carolina lost to 1 Clemson
9 Vanderbilt lost to 7 GA Tech and 8 NC St
3 Auburn lost to 1 Clemson
13 Ole Miss lost to 4 Florida St
So, as you see, almost every matchup pitted a team from the SEC that finished lower in their conference than the team they were playing did in the ACC. UL and Clemson who had the best record in the ACC played in 3 games while Alabama played in 0. SEC was down this year but you matchup teams 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 all the way down, you probably find quite different results in this case.
This can be settled with an Alabama - Clemson final. But the only ACC team I am concerned with is Georgia Tech.
If we win that one 2017 will be a very good year.
If we win that one 2017 will be a very good year.
I think an Alabama-Ohio State final is what you're going to get. Although I could see Washington playing Alabama a lot tougher than people think they will.
Maryland recently left the ACC for the Big 10. When's the last time a SEC team left the SEC?
Middle of the road SEC team called Kentucky beat the 2nd best ACC team on their home field.
No way Kentucky could beat the 2nd best SEC team on its home field imo.
No way Kentucky could beat the 2nd best SEC team on its home field imo.
Just FWIW, for the last 20 years, since 1997, we have won 15 and lost 17 against the SEC. Here's the breakout by team:
UGA 6-14 (Note the high level of frustration here, they have been in our heads)
VU 4-0
MSU 3-0
AU 2-0
LSU 0-2
UM 0-1
Season by season results below (*denotes division champ, **denotes conference champ)
1997: L UGA (10-2)
**1998: W UGA (9-3)
1999: W UGA (8-4)
2000: W UGA (8-4), L LSU (8-4)
2001: L UGA (8-4)
2002: W VU (2-10), L UGA (13-1**)
2003: W AU (8-5), W VU (2-10), L UGA (11-3*)
2004: L UGA (10-2)
2005: W AU (9-3), L UGA (10-3**)
*2006: L UGA (9-4)
2007: L UGA (11-2)
2008: W MSU (4-8), W UGA (10-3), L LSU (8-5)
**2009: W MSU (5-7), W VU (2-10), L UGA (8-5)
2010: L UGA (6-7)
2011: L UGA (10-4*)
2012: L UGA (12-2*)
2013: L UGA (8-5), L UM (8-5)
*2014: W UGA (10-3), W MSU (10-3)
2015: L UGA (10-3)
2016: W VU (6-7), W UGA (7-5)
UGA 6-14 (Note the high level of frustration here, they have been in our heads)
VU 4-0
MSU 3-0
AU 2-0
LSU 0-2
UM 0-1
Season by season results below (*denotes division champ, **denotes conference champ)
1997: L UGA (10-2)
**1998: W UGA (9-3)
1999: W UGA (8-4)
2000: W UGA (8-4), L LSU (8-4)
2001: L UGA (8-4)
2002: W VU (2-10), L UGA (13-1**)
2003: W AU (8-5), W VU (2-10), L UGA (11-3*)
2004: L UGA (10-2)
2005: W AU (9-3), L UGA (10-3**)
*2006: L UGA (9-4)
2007: L UGA (11-2)
2008: W MSU (4-8), W UGA (10-3), L LSU (8-5)
**2009: W MSU (5-7), W VU (2-10), L UGA (8-5)
2010: L UGA (6-7)
2011: L UGA (10-4*)
2012: L UGA (12-2*)
2013: L UGA (8-5), L UM (8-5)
*2014: W UGA (10-3), W MSU (10-3)
2015: L UGA (10-3)
2016: W VU (6-7), W UGA (7-5)
From the six SEC teams that landed on the bottom of the SEC East and West, the ACC got 4 wins (Vandy twice, Ole Miss, and. USC). Of the bottem six teams in the ACC, only Georgia T played the SEC, beating Vandy and UGA.
The worst teams in the SEC played the ACC.
The worst teams in the SEC played the ACC.
By conference record, we (GA Tech) were the 8th best ACC team this year with a 4-4 ACC record. NCSU was tied with Wake for 9th with a 3-5 ACC record. UK was 5th best with a 4-4 SEC record, tied with UT, UGA and TAMU. VU was tied for 9th with USCe, Arky, and MSU. So we (ACC #8) have beaten the SEC #5 and #9, with another #5 coming up Saturday.
I think the sample size is too small to make much of a determination using this metric.
Your team played well that day. We'll see what happens this Saturday.
Herein is the fallacy. I think if you were to put this year's FSU and Louisville teams on the field 10 times, FSU walks off the winner at least 6 or 7 times. Not sure what happened that night in Louisville.
A longitudinal study is what is needed here, but teams change every year, so it is a bit useless. Leads to spirited discussions, though.
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Louisville beat FSU 63-20 and it wasn't really that close. Your assertion that FSU would beat them 6 or 7 out of 10 is based on absolutely nothing.
Agree, its just my feeling on the matter. For some reason, FSU just didn't show up for that game. Louisville is not 43 points better than FSU. Bear in mind also, that FSU had a true FR QB playing his first road game in college for that game.
FSU beat Ole Miss by 11, USF by 20, and UF by 18, and lost to Clemson by 3 and UNC by 2. My feeling is that FSU is the better team, especially so at the end of the year. I think such a series would be close and that FSU would take it.
No way to test that theory. But, UL obliterated FSU, did not merely beat them. Based upon that, I place no confidence in the theory.
It's all based on styles and matchups. Sometimes a conferences #9 team is more difficult matchup than a conferences #5, #2, #4 team.
Agree 100 %....This is EXACTLY right. It's hard to compare SEC schools against other conferences as it is usually the case that bowls pit a lower SEC team with a better finishing team from the other conferences. IMO, the SEC may be down this year, but comparatively speaking, may still be as strong top to bottom as any other conference.
We could test it this way: I'll take 43 points and FSU in next year's game. Wanna bet? I think you'd be tempted to take FSU straight up next year at the Choke.
We all know that the 'Ville is not 43 points better than FSU and that many would take the Noles straight up at home. That is the basis of my opinion. But... it's just an opinion.
Is your theory about FSU being better than UL over a ten year period? If so, we could test it and I would tend to actually think your number of FSU wins to be low. But, if your theory is about this year's teams, why would I entertain a bet for next year's teams?
Your theory is just opinion that is based on very little other than your assumptions and preconceived feelings about the two teams.
My rejection of that theory is based upon the actual head to head of THIS year's teams.
Stinger, next year is next year. As to "ifs" and "buts" if they were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. (Thank You Dandy Don Merrideth!)
Further, if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle, but one can speculate as to anything one wants.
Further, if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle, but one can speculate as to anything one wants.
The other P5 conferences each have a team or two that would have fared pretty well in the SEC this season. SEC was pretty poor this year, and outside 'Bama....we don't have anyone playing at an "elite" level right now. It is not because the conference is so tough that we beat each other up/wear each other down. No, we're just not a very good conference this year when compared to years past when you had one or two teams (often from both divisions) who could play with anyone.
I wouldn't even call it a theory. It's just my opinion. I base my opinion on the full body of work over the whole season, the special circumstances of the game in question, and the way the two teams finished their seasons. Plus, the historical reality that FSU typically has one major WTH game each year. I don't think the 'Ville was 43 points better than FSU that night (and neither do you, IMHO), and I do think that FSU is the better team today.
Again, just my $.02 worth.
UK was 3 points better than UL who was 43 points better than FSU. FSU was 38 points better than Boston College who was 7 points better than NC St. NC St was 24 points better than Vandy who was 9 points better than Tennessee. UT was 21 points better than Virginia Tech was 31 points better than North Carolina was was 28 points better than GEorgia Tech. So, Kentucky should beat Georgia Tech by about 204 in their bowl game if all goes according to plan.
But GA Tech was 10 points better than VA Tech which was 31 points better than UNC, which was 2 points better than FSU, and GA Tech was also 31 points better than Vandy, which was 17 points better than UT, which was 3 points better than UGA, which was 6 points better than Auburn....
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Rob Daniels @oriolesfactoids 8h8 hours agoPower 5 v. Power 5 (regular season and bowls):
ACC: .632
Big Ten: .600
Pac 12: .500
SEC: .375
Big 12: .300
By this, there were 5 games that were upsets (defined as the lower ranked team winning). SEC won 3 of those, ACC won 2.
It has been a down year for the SEC and may be for a few more years while new coaches get settled in. So far UK is 1-0 vs ACC. Hopefully 2-0 after this weekend.