But the play ends on the whistle, not some arbitrary point before the whistle that only exists in a ref's mind.
Just back from game. WORST officiated game EVER.
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The whistle was already in that guys mouth**.. he just did not blow it.
(**I don't really know that.. )
I think Schiano agreed - was having a stern conversation with the refs right after
The play ends when the referee says it has.
For instance, we often see personal fouls for late hits called despite the fact that the whistle had not yet blown.
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On that play the WR clearly shoved off the DB, Flip Dixon I believe. No DPI not even close. Thank goodness they reversed that one.
The officiating was bad at a bunch of spots. The whole forcing a woman on every crew sucks for the rest of the crew.
I'm not against women being out there. Don't get me wrong. But the years of experience leading up to their placement is missing totally. Top flight experienced guys are being passed over for woke horse ****. They need to work women a bunch through lower levels to make them respectable and not tokens.
I'm not against women being out there. Don't get me wrong. But the years of experience leading up to their placement is missing totally. Top flight experienced guys are being passed over for woke horse ****. They need to work women a bunch through lower levels to make them respectable and not tokens.
Nothing about calling plays dead retroactively for forward progress after a fumble in the rulebook - if I missed it, please give the rule reference.
Late hits can be called without a whistle because there are other dead ball triggers for that - stepping out of bounds, a QB beginning a slide, etc. If another defender came and hammered the receiver that fumbled the ball on that play before the whistle was blown, it would not have been a late hit, because the play had not yet been blown dead by the ref.
In this particular instance, the receiver was still fighting for yardage, the ref hadn't blown the whistle, and he lost the ball.... and then the ref blew the whistle late for his own reasons. Maybe he realized he F-ed up in not blowing the play dead already and didn't want the team penalized for his mistake (likely). Maybe he shouldn't have blown the play dead at all, and then realized he F-ed up by blowing the whistle before the fumble was recovered (also possible).
Regardless, the opportunity was there to blow the play dead on forward progress before the ball came out. Ref botched that opportunity.
We called a time out... and then they didn't charge us with a timeout? Another weird call - I'm guessing not to penalize RU for them screwing up the call in the first place.
If this were the only screwy call in the game, I'd be much more willing to give the benefit of the doubt... but these refs were terrible throughout, so this one play wasn't even really out of the ordinary for them.
Should have been + 40 points
And a one score game in Q4 thanks to the biased Referees.
As per the broadcast the B1G is cracking down on running onto the field and screaming at Refs this year. Based on that the flag was fair.
This was the explanation for not charging us a timeout:
“The ruling on the field was that forward progress was stopped clearly before the loss of possession,” Blum said. “Coach Schiano had called a timeout and we didn’t do a good enough job of communicating that’s not a reviewable situation – nothing you can challenge. We felt that it was our responsibility that he had to call a timeout to get that information and that’s why we didn’t charge him.”
So, they gave us a timeout back because.... they were bad communicators? That's a new one on me.
“The ruling on the field was that forward progress was stopped clearly before the loss of possession,” Blum said. “Coach Schiano had called a timeout and we didn’t do a good enough job of communicating that’s not a reviewable situation – nothing you can challenge. We felt that it was our responsibility that he had to call a timeout to get that information and that’s why we didn’t charge him.”
So, they gave us a timeout back because.... they were bad communicators? That's a new one on me.
Maybe just hire the best Refs regardless of external characteristics?
It was close. He had just started being pushed backwards. But he seemed to me to be trying to stay up and resisting being thrown backwards. Not choosing to run backwards to get free to go forward later. I was a close call but IMO it was correct.
Actually, yeah while a bit unique, I think that was a smart and fair solution from the refs.
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not reviewable because a whistle was blown? (It wasn't blown tho)
No, the forward progress call is not reviewable period, regardless of any whistle or lack thereof.
lol yeah the refs really want to protect historical blueblood Temple.
They weren't biased, they just sucked.
There goes the the entire staffing policy for public sector jobs
I don't know if it was because of her calls but at one point the referee was visibly p***ed off at someone on the crew. He had that "let's get it right" look on his face
Yup. It was right in front of us during a TO and she circled the team almost trying to bait someone into saying something to throw a flag.
That's in line with what the BTN game analyst said on the TV replay, and he played DB in college, and he was pretty much against the PI calls against the RU DBs.
There goes the the entire staffing policy for public sector jobs
It's just a dream I have. We all know it doesn't happen anymore. Public and private sector.
Pretty sure I saw that look from the Ref after the Phantom PI call on Melton that I'm still PO'd about. Probably others as well.
heck, I glad he did it. That's the fire I liked in the old ref. Not being out of control all the time but this one was well deserved and likely why they picked up that one flag.
my brother add I were livid with that call. Rutgers didn't show the side view on replay and you couldn't hear the explanation.
Watching the play on tv I get it now. Blew whistle too soon but the progress was also stopped.
Watched the game again last night. Referee looks right at her “after pass interference call” and said something similar while on camera. “Are you sure you got it right” is what it looks like he says.
Yea they need to be split up. They are the worst duo in my opinion. Need to watch that tool box warm up pre game. He runs up and down the sideline pretending to make calls and spotting the ball. It’s hilarious.
They are a B1G crew. We had them multiple times over the years. I’m sure we will see them again this year.
OMG.. Noooooooo.... wow.. I thought Temple brought the refs from their conference... but that would have cost money I suppose.