Just curious, but why are we sold on hudspeth?
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From Louisville, MS. Our best recruiter when he was here. Would likely bring Steve Campbell with him as OL coach/OC -- who would be a huge shot in the arm in the JUCO recruiting ranks. Talking to coaches and people that know, he'd be able to recruit here at levels that we haven't seen since Jackie -- if ever. Has called us his dream job for years. Is likely about to go 10-2 at the worst program in the Sun Belt -- ranked #120 in all of FBS when he took over and turned it around immediately. Best candidate that we could realistically get and keep longterm. The Hud support is largely a perfect storm of this year likely being the only window where it's both possible to get rid of Mullen and get Hudspeth.
Regardless of Hudspeth, there is alot of concern with our direction under Mullen. We've regressed to the 12th best team in the SEC as of today(Sagarin). Recruiting is currently 13th and almost full(24/7 composite). Effort isn't there in coaching, play on the field, or recruiting. Anxiety that we keep him at 4-8 or 5-7 this year, he goes 6-6 with a schedule we should push for 9 wins next year(can't fire a bowl coach at MSU), and we end up with a coach at the end of 2015 that's underperformed for a longer straight period of time than both Croom and Jackie did, just not quite as drastically.
What Ole Miss is doing in both recruiting and on the field puts a magnifying glass on all this. They are decimated at spots, and they are still managing to win games. They are recruiting in the upper-middle of the pack in the SEC again this year -- basically showing that last year's class wasn't a fluke. If we don't beat them this year (spread would be 7-10 or so today), our chances against an even more talented and mature OM team won't be great next year on the road, and so forth. The recruiting aspect is by far the most concerning to me -- and is most clear in the fact that they are only actively pursuing one of our recruits this year...
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I agree. There is no doubt that Ole Miss is out-recruiting us badly. We need to level the playing field, and Hudspeth is the man to do it.
Exactly, won big everywhere he has been, recruits like crazy and he WANTS to be the coach at MSU so even if very successful at MSU there is a high likelihood he would stay.
Everyone points to that graphic but it's very misleading. Every one of those coaches has been in FBS for at least 7 years. Hud has been in FBS as a head coach for 2.5.
Everyone also keeps pointing out that Ole Miss is crushing us in recruiting. Last I checked they've claimed recruiting national championships for the last 13 years but on the field it doesn't reflect that. They really only destroyed us in recruiting last year, and until we get rid of Bracky we're not going to be getting anywhere close to top 5 classes like Ole Miss does. That's not all on Mullen. We won't be "leveling the playing field" to top 5 classes unless a lot of things change.
Everyone also keeps pointing out that Ole Miss is crushing us in recruiting. Last I checked they've claimed recruiting national championships for the last 13 years but on the field it doesn't reflect that. They really only destroyed us in recruiting last year, and until we get rid of Bracky we're not going to be getting anywhere close to top 5 classes like Ole Miss does. That's not all on Mullen. We won't be "leveling the playing field" to top 5 classes unless a lot of things change.
Agreed. I pointed that out when it was first posted. Still makes a nice propaganda piece...
Correct
They "claimed" it before. Now it's actually happening. They knew they didn't beat us in "crootin" till we hired Croom and they hired Orgeron, who put together their "system". Jackie took them to the cleaners on the reg.
Agreed. How many years can we afford to sit on our hands while they are doing this?
Totally agreed. Mullen isn't our whole problem by a long shot...
This is his wife now that she's a bodybuilder:
Might there be a few PEDs floating around that household, what with Mark keeping up with NFL linemen's numbers in the combine on the bench?
Might there be a few PEDs floating around that household, what with Mark keeping up with NFL linemen's numbers in the combine on the bench?
Let's just say his ex was not bad a tall my boy. I was a big fan growing up. She was a stellar basketballer.
From Louisville, MS. Our best recruiter when he was here. Would likely bring Steve Campbell with him as OL coach/OC -- who would be a huge shot in the arm in the JUCO recruiting ranks. Talking to coaches and people that know, he'd be able to recruit here at levels that we haven't seen since Jackie -- if ever. Has called us his dream job for years. Is likely about to go 10-2 at the worst program in the Sun Belt -- ranked #120 in all of FBS when he took over and turned it around immediately. Best candidate that we could realistically get and keep longterm. The Hud support is largely a perfect storm of this year likely being the only window where it's both possible to get rid of Mullen and get Hudspeth.
Regardless of Hudspeth, there is alot of concern with our direction under Mullen. We've regressed to the 12th best team in the SEC as of today(Sagarin). Recruiting is currently 13th and almost full(24/7 composite). Effort isn't there in coaching, play on the field, or recruiting. Anxiety that we keep him at 4-8 or 5-7 this year, he goes 6-6 with a schedule we should push for 9 wins next year(can't fire a bowl coach at MSU), and we end up with a coach at the end of 2015 that's underperformed for a longer straight period of time than both Croom and Jackie did, just not quite as drastically.
What Ole Miss is doing in both recruiting and on the field puts a magnifying glass on all this. They are decimated at spots, and they are still managing to win games. They are recruiting in the upper-middle of the pack in the SEC again this year -- basically showing that last year's class wasn't a fluke. If we don't beat them this year (spread would be 7-10 or so today), our chances against an even more talented and mature OM team won't be great next year on the road, and so forth. The recruiting aspect is by far the most concerning to me -- and is most clear in the fact that they are only actively pursuing one of our recruits this year...
This is a great summary. Too bad our leadership will be giving Mullen a 17ing extension instead though. Brilliance.
Same reason our backup quarterback is always better than the starter ... the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ... until you get there. And the process repeats ad infinitum.
Has the most recent backup not proven himself better than the starter?
Should have kept Polk another 10 years, since it's just crazy to think "the backup is better than the starter."
In this instance, yes he has. But historically, our fan base always wants the QB who is sitting on the bench. I think you can see the analogy. Probably like that at other schools too, but I don't keep up with them quite as closely.
But next year or the year after, if Dak falters then there'll be a lot of noise wanting Wilson (I think that's his name) to come in. And so on.
But next year or the year after, if Dak falters then there'll be a lot of noise wanting Wilson (I think that's his name) to come in. And so on.
I did understand the analogy -- and I agree that there's certainly a faction of MSU fans that do that, which I liken to roller coaster fans. I just do not think it's applicable to the cross-section seeing the potential need to make a change at our head coaching position at the end of the year. There's alot of us that aren't roller coaster MSU fans on both sides of the fence...
My point was that there are better coaches out there we could go after
if/when we kick Mullen to the curb. Why is it Hudspeth by default?
if/when we kick Mullen to the curb. Why is it Hudspeth by default?
Because he's the best candidate out there in many or our opinions.
I keep hearing this from people. Throw some names out there and tell us how/why they are superior to Hudspeth?
Were there better coaches OM could go after? Why was it Freeze by default? Better yet -- who could they have hired that would have done a better job up to this point? You'd be really, really hard pressed to name someone. The point being that sometimes "the best coach available" is not the best coach FOR a specific circumstance. Recruiting is a huge part of college football -- and there's nobody that I could see right now that would recruit a 4 state radius better than Mark Hudspeth in the short term. That doesn't even hit on the coaching aspect -- where you would again be pretty hard-pressed to out-resume him. He may not have a long resume -- but the one he does have is stellar in every regard.
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Also add to the resume the fact that he can press 225 lbs. 25 times. Check the YouTube video.
I think Hud would recruit better, but the main difference is I think we would
play with more effort over the nexr 3 to 4 years. We will never reach our ceiling with the talent we have under Mullen. Just ain't gonna happen.
play with more effort over the nexr 3 to 4 years. We will never reach our ceiling with the talent we have under Mullen. Just ain't gonna happen.