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Heck, I didn't even read that thread until about 4 this AM.
It's not a big deal to me.
I've got a second cousin that is "ÖUT"...for about three years, now.
It's killing his immediate family, but the worst thing on me, is that I can't go Archie Bunker anymore,
I have to watch my mouth.
Live and let live.
It's not a big deal to me.
I've got a second cousin that is "ÖUT"...for about three years, now.
It's killing his immediate family, but the worst thing on me, is that I can't go Archie Bunker anymore,
I have to watch my mouth.
Live and let live.
My question... Do we all believe that their are lesbian athletes in sports?
We do, right? I mean, women's volleyball, track & field, softball, soccer, basketball, etc. We have seen women come out in virtually all of these, right?
I bring that up to bring this up. (with the Jonathan Vilma interview in mind)...
These women are obviously able to control themselves in a locker room situation and not just need to attack the first POA that they see naked. Why do most male athletes seem to think that a gay man in a similar situation would not be able to? Why does every male athlete that is anti-gay athlete in the locker room automatically thinking that a gay athlete is just going to be a kid in a candy store in that situation? Frankly, most of the locker rooms I have been around, the 'supposedly' incredibly straight guys have done the most gay things. Hell, in high school before a game, one guy fell asleep with his mouth open and another guy came up and thought it would be funny to put his dick in his mouth.
Random thought I had... anyway.
We do, right? I mean, women's volleyball, track & field, softball, soccer, basketball, etc. We have seen women come out in virtually all of these, right?
I bring that up to bring this up. (with the Jonathan Vilma interview in mind)...
These women are obviously able to control themselves in a locker room situation and not just need to attack the first POA that they see naked. Why do most male athletes seem to think that a gay man in a similar situation would not be able to? Why does every male athlete that is anti-gay athlete in the locker room automatically thinking that a gay athlete is just going to be a kid in a candy store in that situation? Frankly, most of the locker rooms I have been around, the 'supposedly' incredibly straight guys have done the most gay things. Hell, in high school before a game, one guy fell asleep with his mouth open and another guy came up and thought it would be funny to put his dick in his mouth.
Random thought I had... anyway.
Funny you say that. Freshman year in college HD6 and I were in a typical heated Bill Walsh College Football game and one of the guys in the dorm that was gay was in the room. HD scored on me and I immediately yelled "You (derogatory term for gay)!" I felt so bad and everything was quiet, so I decided to break the tension by asking the guy "When someone scores on you in Sega do you scream "You straight person?"" Luckily he laughed because he knew that I didn't mean anything, but I still felt bad about it.
Well when we all think lesbian couples - we want to think this:
Not this:
Most males can't imagine being attracted to another guy but we can imagine being attracted to the top picture. I'm not even sure my post makes sense.
Not this:
Most males can't imagine being attracted to another guy but we can imagine being attracted to the top picture. I'm not even sure my post makes sense.
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Very typical...
I read that thread after reading your statement about the thread.
I decided I must be missing something.
I read that thread after reading your statement about the thread.
I decided I must be missing something.
Good lord! What high school did you attend? (please don't say mine, please don't say mine…)
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You bring up an interesting point, and I had this thought last night.
This is kind of a thread hijack, but how would you feel about 2 male ( I say male because women already have done this) teammates openly dating each other? Example, Peyton Manning throws a TD to Wes Welker and they go to the sideline to kiss to celebrate. This post doesn't have an underlying agenda. I am just curious of what peoples reactions would be.
agree completely. I am just trying to make a point of how stupid the issue really is... For some reason, gay male athletes have a stigma about them that when you break it down, basically comes to this... They see naked penis, they will want to rape it and make it gay, so I will have to kill him. Its absurd...
And, my high school was a typical 4A Mississippi HS with state championships. The guys that did that had to be seperated 2 seconds later because they were threatening to kill each other. The typical thing was... They also had to be seperated 3 hours previously because they were threatening to kill each other...
And, my high school was a typical 4A Mississippi HS with state championships. The guys that did that had to be seperated 2 seconds later because they were threatening to kill each other. The typical thing was... They also had to be seperated 3 hours previously because they were threatening to kill each other...
Somehow, with a Manning involved, I want to believe your example is grounded in truth...
I think your point is a valid one... But, that is going to be a long time.... That moment is a tricky one. Don't think many gay athletes want to even broach that topic yet because they know the answer to that is going to be a whole lot more negative...
I think your point is a valid one... But, that is going to be a long time.... That moment is a tricky one. Don't think many gay athletes want to even broach that topic yet because they know the answer to that is going to be a whole lot more negative...
I don't know that it's that simple. Granted, it was the late 60's when my mother was a college athlete, but she actually stopped playing sports because so many of the other girls were lesbians, some aggressively so. While many things have changed since that era, I doubt the percentage of practicing lesbians in collegiate athletics has dropped.
Did you mean do we believe that their are straight athletes in women's sports?
But the problem is not that male athletes think a gay man is going to attack them in the shower. Some people are just uncomfortable being naked around people that are attracted to them (or attracted to people of the same sex as them).
But it's a valid point that straight female athletes not only manage to deal with it, but also probably deal with it a lot of times where the majority of their teammates are gay. And I don't think DS's response is generally applicable, because while there are probably plenty of exceptions in scocer, volleyball and maybe track, most gay female athletes (at least at the college and professional level) aren't going to be making an appearance in any male fantasies.
At the same time, I do know of a couple of female athletes that quit playing college sports (one softball, one basketball) because they felt so uncomfortable around their teammates in the locker room. Not sure if it was feeling threatened uncomfortable, or uncomfortable from leering, uncomfortable watching interactions between other athletes, or if it wasn't anything the other athletes did, but just feeling left out because they had nothing to contribute to locker room talk or something
whats funny, per the espn poll, mississippi was the only state that was undecided on whether or not now was the right time for the nfl's first openly gay player. they didnt elaborate on whether or not there was enough votes, but the entire country was a sea of solidarity (per that poll/map) in that it they all (49 states) thought the time was appropriate, all to our one undecided vote.
i tend to agree that it is time and additionally, i commend sam for having the courage to do it...all that said, for lack of a better expression, i dont want it jammed down my throat (thats what she errr he said). i realize this is going to be an ongoing story, i just wish it was a one day deal and we could get back to football/basketball/BASEBALL coverage and leave the social commentary to the likes of cnn etc. again, i understand why that will not be the case, but its not going to stop me from wishing that it was.
additionally, i dont think vilma should have to explain himself for being real about what he believes. had he not done damage control on anderson cooper, he would be largely viewed and accused of being a bigot. i assure you some of those on gay message boards out there in the mysterious interweb are doing exactly that, which is a shame, because he had the courage to be real about what some in the nfl will inevitably believe.
i tend to agree that it is time and additionally, i commend sam for having the courage to do it...all that said, for lack of a better expression, i dont want it jammed down my throat (thats what she errr he said). i realize this is going to be an ongoing story, i just wish it was a one day deal and we could get back to football/basketball/BASEBALL coverage and leave the social commentary to the likes of cnn etc. again, i understand why that will not be the case, but its not going to stop me from wishing that it was.
additionally, i dont think vilma should have to explain himself for being real about what he believes. had he not done damage control on anderson cooper, he would be largely viewed and accused of being a bigot. i assure you some of those on gay message boards out there in the mysterious interweb are doing exactly that, which is a shame, because he had the courage to be real about what some in the nfl will inevitably believe.
I have a friend who dropped her softball scholarship and left school over the aggressive behavior in and out of the locker room.
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What if Sam is cured???
Or, what if he doesn't understand the connotation of "gay?" Or imagined his gayness?
Or, what if he only "came out" to feel the love from the glb folks, the media, and the white house?
Or, what if he just said it to mess with his dad?
Or, what if he's only saying he's gay because he doesn't want to admit to being asexual?
So many unanswered questions...
Or, what if he doesn't understand the connotation of "gay?" Or imagined his gayness?
Or, what if he only "came out" to feel the love from the glb folks, the media, and the white house?
Or, what if he just said it to mess with his dad?
Or, what if he's only saying he's gay because he doesn't want to admit to being asexual?
So many unanswered questions...
I suspect it is because guys know how strong their sex drive is, which is substantially more than women, generally speaking.
My girlfriend played college round ball and said she was one of maybe 2 or 3 that weren't lesbians. A lot of the girls weren't gay, then we're gay, then decided to not be gay again. Lady Gaga doesn't know what she's talking about.