KaMario Taylor Film Study with Wyatt...

dawgstudent

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this is really good. And the below stat just makes you worry about Lebby and his usage of KT. It was obvious that KT gave us a better shot with more usage in our playbook even with Shapen taking the majority of the snaps. His loyalty to Shapen hurt Mississippi State in 2025.

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paindonthurt

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this is really good. And the below stat just makes you worry about Lebby and his usage of KT. It was obvious that KT gave us a better shot with more usage in our playbook even with Shapen taking the majority of the snaps. His loyalty to Shapen hurt Mississippi State in 2025.

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It’s pretty simple.

Very few freshmen QBs are ready to play especially in the SEC. Add to that Kamario made some really really bad passes and probably took some time to pick up the offense.

You can gripe about some things with Lebby but Kamario isn’t one of them.

even against ole miss he played well but made some bad passes that hurt us.
 

MagnoliaHunter

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this is really good. And the below stat just makes you worry about Lebby and his usage of KT. It was obvious that KT gave us a better shot with more usage in our playbook even with Shapen taking the majority of the snaps. His loyalty to Shapen hurt Mississippi State in 2025.

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ole miss was the worst defense we faced in the last two months other than Florida and Arkansas.
 

dawgstudent

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It’s pretty simple.

Very few freshmen QBs are ready to play especially in the SEC. Add to that Kamario made some really really bad passes and probably took some time to pick up the offense.

You can gripe about some things with Lebby but Kamario isn’t one of them.

even against ole miss he played well but made some bad passes that hurt us.
So you were good with the usage of Taylor when it was obvious his skillset was more suitable with the play of our OL. I think Taylor should have been used a lot more on the back 1/2 of the season.
 

paindonthurt

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So you were good with the usage of Taylor when it was obvious his skillset was more suitable with the play of our OL. I think Taylor should have been used a lot more on the back 1/2 of the season.
I think people are emotional

Fans yelled for Kamario more than they yelled for Dak as a freshman.

When kamario played at times he showed some promise but his passing was AWFUL. AWFUL.

I assume he developed some. In hindsight after the ole miss game I’d liked to have seen him more but that was the only time I felt that way.
 
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cadawg26

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I think people are emotional

Fans yelled for Kamario more than they yelled for Dak as a freshman.

When kamario played at times he showed some promise but his passing was AWFUL. AWFUL.

I assume he developed some. In hindsight after the ole miss game I’d liked to have seen him more but that was the only time I felt that way.
I feel like his passes were not good at times, but I think awful is stretching it a little bit. His timing is just a little off on some of his throws. I was impressed with how he played when he had opportunities.
 

tired

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I think Lebby brought KT along fairly well. We weren't there. We don't know when it clicked for him.

He needs the work as all young QBs do, but to say his throwing is "awful awful" is more than stretching it a little bit.
 

bulldoghair

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this is really good. And the below stat just makes you worry about Lebby and his usage of KT. It was obvious that KT gave us a better shot with more usage in our playbook even with Shapen taking the majority of the snaps. His loyalty to Shapen hurt Mississippi State in 2025.

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Even still we had 3 sacks. And we had 3 three-and-outs in a row in the the 3Q of the Egg Bowl.
3 plays, 1:08
3 plays, 0:58
3 plays, 1:31
These drives accounted for 3:37 of total time of possession, allowing Ole Miss to score 17 unanswered points. Ballgame. Same exhaustion overload and boomerang effect we’ve seen all year.
 
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Darryl Steight

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In hindsight after the ole miss game I’d liked to have seen him more but that was the only time I felt that way.

Same here, after I saw him play a full game, I wanted to see him play more. It's too bad we waited so long to do that.

It was a tough call for Lebby, I'm sure, because I was also one of the ones saying he didn't look ready to me. So I get him trying to wait and let KT mature a little. But I came to the conclusion after seeing him in the EB is that (especially these days) you just can't keep a Ferrari in the driveway. You gotta let that horse run.
 
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Even still we had 3 sacks. And we had 3 three-and-outs in a row in the the 3Q of the Egg Bowl.
3 plays, 1:08
3 plays, 0:58
3 plays, 1:31
These drives accounted for 3:37 of total time of possession, allowing Ole Miss to score 17 unanswered points. Ballgame. Same exhaustion overload and boomerang effect we’ve seen all year.
And at least one of the TD runs from KT, I feel confident in saying that would 100% have been a 7 yard loss on a sack if Shapen was in there. We had gotten to the point that the Oline wasn't good enough to give Shapen time. That Mizzou offense was horrific with Shapen back there. KT in no way could have made it worse.
 

patdog

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Shapen might have completed the two easy 3rd down completions inside the red zone that Taylor whiffed on too. We could do what if’s all day.
Bottom line is we weren’t any better offensively vs a mediocre defense than we were all year with Shapen. KT potential is off the charts but he wasn’t ready this year.
 

OG Goat Holder

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I think people are emotional

Fans yelled for Kamario more than they yelled for Dak as a freshman.

When kamario played at times he showed some promise but his passing was AWFUL. AWFUL.

I assume he developed some. In hindsight after the ole miss game I’d liked to have seen him more but that was the only time I felt that way.
I agree with you. Does that mean you have double digit IQ? Or did I just get lucky?
 
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lazlow

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KT will be the starter next year and he will tuck it and run ALOT, and people will gripe that he only picked up like 5 yards when there was a receiver open. The next season, assuming he is here, will be better, and so forth.
For KT to be successful, Lebby's going to have to re-tool his offensive philosophy. I think there is a variation of Art's system that optimizes KT's running and throwing abilities (and limits the routes that a QB with a HS career 58.85 COMP % needs to perfect). At this point in life, you are what you are as passer (don't make me show stats). Aside from the 173 rushing yards (bravo!) in the EB, what impressed me the most about KT were the passes to Traore. Best game that I can re-call by #8 ever. So, start there. Don't over complicated it Jeff.
 
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paindonthurt

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I think Lebby brought KT along fairly well. We weren't there. We don't know when it clicked for him.

He needs the work as all young QBs do, but to say his throwing is "awful awful" is more than stretching it a little bit.
I can link about 7 passes when he only has 20 ish attempts. Thats pretty bad. It’s not a knock. Dak was bad as a freshman as well.
 

paindonthurt

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KT will be the starter next year and he will tuck it and run ALOT, and people will gripe that he only picked up like 5 yards when there was a receiver open. The next season, assuming he is here, will be better, and so forth.
And people will yell for the backup!!
 
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paindonthurt

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Guess I’m the only one the saw the Ferrie missed FG or the Guyten fumble at the UF 15.
Not to mention that the passes Shapen missed on weren’t easy throws.

Did Shapen miss on some easy throws? A few. But very low percentage.
 

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You can gripe about some things with Lebby but Kamario isn’t one of them.
The argument that KT wasn’t ready to be a full time SEC QB is at least an argument that can be had.

But people can absolutely gripe about Lebby’s use of KT throughout the year. There was no rhyme or reason to it, and in addition to it preventing both QBs from getting in a rhythm at times, there were times when Lebby willingly allowed Shapen to get killed out there.
 

22yardpunt

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Hey let’s spend time criticizing whether a true freshman is a good passer in the SEC or not.
 

Puppers

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Guess I’m the only one the saw the Ferrie missed FG or the Guyten fumble at the UF 15.

Wouldn't have mattered if our 6th year senior QB doesn't make one of the least intelligent plays in QB history. He had hit his ceiling.
 
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vandaldawg

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He has to hit the seam, wheel and quick slants with a pretty high percentage regularly. Has to. I think the deep balls will actually come easier to him than those balls. But he has a tendency to overthrow the long ball. Good thing is, kid has a rocket arm. Can’t teach that. You can, however, teach release points, mechanics recognition for touch passes etc.

the big question will be can our staff bring him along like that. Mullen turned Chris Relf into a passable passer for instance.
 
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Puppers

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Shapen misses a receiver by 6 inches on a 40 yard pass, he’s trash. Taylor misses a 10-yard pass by 6 feet, it’s cool. **
How does a closer miss help? If they both are missing open wrs give me the guy that can run, doesn't fumble constantly, is hard to sack, and has upside
 

paindonthurt

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Just painting the entire picture.

It was a bit more situational. He had a passing TD against TX & MO
He was 1/1 against Texas for. 1 yd TD

you painted a picture of sub par stats in mostly mop up duty.

no one is saying Kamario is bad and isn’t the future.
 

paindonthurt

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You know why? Because Taylor doesn’t fall down by a 10 mph wind gust.
That’s an idiotic argument if you are being serious.

Shapen wasn’t good at escaping pressure. FACT
Shapen had to face more pressure than most QBs could handle. FACT
Kamario was good at escaping pressure. FACT

Kamario’s passing even with his escapability wasn’t close to shapens even with his lack of escapability.