Kareem walker..coming to Rutgers?
- Thread starter sharkunit
- Start date
Why would any Rutgers "fan" post all of the reasons why a top notch player shouldn't come to RU, and in fact, state they SHOULD go to another school?
Do you think fans of other schools do this?
Some of you are clueless.
Think whatever you want, but don't post it for the world to see.
You made the analogy about your wife not pointing out your flaws (paraphrasing).
She can tell you (maybe in the hopes you correct some of them), but she damn well better not post those reason on her Facebook account, or tweet them, or tell all of her friends and family why (you suck).
In a way, that is what you are doing here.
Do you think fans of other schools do this?
Some of you are clueless.
Think whatever you want, but don't post it for the world to see.
You made the analogy about your wife not pointing out your flaws (paraphrasing).
She can tell you (maybe in the hopes you correct some of them), but she damn well better not post those reason on her Facebook account, or tweet them, or tell all of her friends and family why (you suck).
In a way, that is what you are doing here.
"Walker has said from Day 1 he will be taking his visits. OSU knew this but hoped they could talk him out of it..the couldn't. Walker could very well commit to Michigan on Saturday and next Wednesday announce he is visiting ASU."
I get the feeling that with other talented, highly-rated RBs waiting for an offer or wanting to commit, OSU just feels it might be time to move on. Again, just my feeling, but OSU is in the position (recruiting-wise) where they don't have to keep kissing a kid's a$$ especially after one of the visits was to Michigan. They've been very high on Antonio Williams (having a blockbuster HS senior season) for awhile now and he just decommitted from Wisky and is visiting the Buckeyes this weekend for their game against PSU.
I get the feeling that with other talented, highly-rated RBs waiting for an offer or wanting to commit, OSU just feels it might be time to move on. Again, just my feeling, but OSU is in the position (recruiting-wise) where they don't have to keep kissing a kid's a$$ especially after one of the visits was to Michigan. They've been very high on Antonio Williams (having a blockbuster HS senior season) for awhile now and he just decommitted from Wisky and is visiting the Buckeyes this weekend for their game against PSU.
RUonBrain,
Talk about clueless. Do you truly believe that if we ignore our shortcomings that they will cease to exist? Don't you think these very issues are being presented on every recruiting visit by our rivals? The coaching staff would be irresponsible if they aren't prepared to respond to these very questions asked by prospective players. I'm not presenting anything heretofor unknown.
Try to tell me with a straight face that Harbaugh doesn't tell recruits he's taken NFL players to the Super Bowl (and Kyle Flood has taken his players to the Pinstripe Bowl). You're sure Urban hasn't mentioned to a recruit he's won National Championships and Rutgers hasn't won their own league or been to a BCS Bowl. And Franklin isn't singing the praises of the Penn State faithfull while Rutgers FB can't get the support from it's own administration? Believe me, they haven't gotten this information from me on this board.
Grow up. Jump into reality. One has to deal with the world that exists. I didn't create it. When someone brings up these situations, do you just pretend they don't exist? Shall we use the word "clueless" again?
Talk about clueless. Do you truly believe that if we ignore our shortcomings that they will cease to exist? Don't you think these very issues are being presented on every recruiting visit by our rivals? The coaching staff would be irresponsible if they aren't prepared to respond to these very questions asked by prospective players. I'm not presenting anything heretofor unknown.
Try to tell me with a straight face that Harbaugh doesn't tell recruits he's taken NFL players to the Super Bowl (and Kyle Flood has taken his players to the Pinstripe Bowl). You're sure Urban hasn't mentioned to a recruit he's won National Championships and Rutgers hasn't won their own league or been to a BCS Bowl. And Franklin isn't singing the praises of the Penn State faithfull while Rutgers FB can't get the support from it's own administration? Believe me, they haven't gotten this information from me on this board.
Grow up. Jump into reality. One has to deal with the world that exists. I didn't create it. When someone brings up these situations, do you just pretend they don't exist? Shall we use the word "clueless" again?
It looks like Ohio State could be losing two 2016 RB commits. Besides Kareem Walker looking like a possible flip to Michigan, 4-star all purpose back George Hill out of Hubbard, Ohio has officially de-committed from Ohio State.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/George-Hill-De-Commits-From-Ohio-State-40262390
Michigan State appears to be the top choice for Hill, with slight possibilities of Pitt and West Virginia. Hill recently took two unofficial visits to Michigan State (Sept. 12 and Oct. 3).
http://247sports.com/Player/George-Hill-37824
Kareem Walker took an official visit to Michigan this previous weekend for the Northwestern game, and apparently the Ann Arbor visit went very well.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/did_michigan_recruiting_coordi.html
However, in light of this news, 4-star RB Antonio Williams out of North Carolina, has de-committed from Wisconsin and will be visiting Ohio State this weekend for the Penn State game.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/antonio_williams_four-star_rb.html
And.....the merry-go-round continues:
4-star DE Khalid Kareem out of Michigan has de-committed from Alabama. Notre Dame appears to be the top choice for Kareem, with a slight possibility of Michigan. Kareem had also been a previous Michigan State commit but de-committed from the Spartans before going with Alabama.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ons-khalid-kareem-decommits-alabama/73922726/
Kareem will be taking an official visit to Notre Dame for the Trojans game this weekend.
http://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Kareem-52220
It's hard to keep up with all this stuff!
GO BLUE!
http://247sports.com/Bolt/George-Hill-De-Commits-From-Ohio-State-40262390
Michigan State appears to be the top choice for Hill, with slight possibilities of Pitt and West Virginia. Hill recently took two unofficial visits to Michigan State (Sept. 12 and Oct. 3).
http://247sports.com/Player/George-Hill-37824
Kareem Walker took an official visit to Michigan this previous weekend for the Northwestern game, and apparently the Ann Arbor visit went very well.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/did_michigan_recruiting_coordi.html
However, in light of this news, 4-star RB Antonio Williams out of North Carolina, has de-committed from Wisconsin and will be visiting Ohio State this weekend for the Penn State game.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/antonio_williams_four-star_rb.html
And.....the merry-go-round continues:
4-star DE Khalid Kareem out of Michigan has de-committed from Alabama. Notre Dame appears to be the top choice for Kareem, with a slight possibility of Michigan. Kareem had also been a previous Michigan State commit but de-committed from the Spartans before going with Alabama.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ons-khalid-kareem-decommits-alabama/73922726/
Kareem will be taking an official visit to Notre Dame for the Trojans game this weekend.
http://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Kareem-52220
It's hard to keep up with all this stuff!
GO BLUE!
Last edited:
Why do so many people here think everyone that posts on this board are RU fans?
Even if they slap an "RU" or "Rutgers" in their names...they are not RU fans per se....other recruiting schools' depts have posters that go on rival schools' to stir the pot.
I root for RU because I am an RU alumnus (school of engineering). I was just listing why Michigan would trump RU for a recruit especially for ones that don't care if they're playing near family all the time (out of state cost also a non-issue since they're on scholarship).
I listed the following as reasons where Michigan trumps Rutgers by a large margin. Honestly I don't get why people are getting after me since I'm not posting anything that isn't true. It's like comparing a Honda to a Porsche.
coaching - is anyone really gonna say that Harbaugh's staff is not better than Floods' staff?
facilities - Michigan has a rich donor base and can afford to have facilities on par with an Ohio St or Alabama and can continuosly upgrade them. We can't. Rutgers is still using a bubble as an indoor practice facility.
academics - Michigan is an elite public institution, on par with Virginia, UNC, UCLA, Cal Berkley. It is a true public Ivy and has rich ugrad and grad programs and the world wide reputation to support that. Rutgers falls into the next tier with the likes off Maryland, PSU, Wisconsin, Texas etc. There's nothing wrong with that but that's where we are.
tradition - Michigan is a true blueblood and is one of the oldest and winningist CFB programs in the country. They along with Alabama, LSU, Nebraska, Ohio St, Texas, Oklahoma and ND are CFB royalty.
fanbase - is this really even a question? For last weeks game against #4 MSU we couldn't even fill up our 52K stadium while Michigan fills up their 100K+ stadium on a regular basis. Also they have a fanbase that actually donates, we don't. It's not our fault, we came late to the big time sports game and these things take generations to change but the fanbases aren't close.
alum network - the Michigan alum network for job searching is much better than the RU one. Michigan alums like ND alums, take care off their own. That's not the case for RU alums. In my experience, I found no real help from RU career services or alumni network upon graduation to secure a job. I had to rely on my own smarts to get one. I didn't seem to have any more advantage than a non-RU graduate. I'm sure part off that was the recession (I graduated SOE in 2011). I'm sure it was different for some of you but that was my experience.
What does Rutgers have going for it over Michigan? Only thing I can think off is it's closer to home so NJ recruit families can see them play in person every game. Also Rutgers is a program that is still being built so if I were a recruit that wanted to be part of building something rather than being part of something that is already made I'd go to Rutgers. But most people will choose something that is already made and known than the unknown. It is human nature so I stand by what I have stated.
If I were a recruit with full rides to Rutgers or Michigan, I would pick Michigan every time especially if i'm concerned with winning, playing for national title hopes and especially with Harbaugh as the coach. You're not going to get that at Rutgers under Kyle Flood.
BTW I don't consider Walker much off a loss. He doesn't run like a 5 star RB. I am happy with the RBs that we have. What we need to focus on are the 4 and 5 star OL and DL. Not too worried about the skill players in our program or the skill players coming in.
Last edited:
You used the word clueless twice to Brain, but my previous post was 100% rhetorical. Why would I want to see posts on a Rutgers message board pretty much telling recruits why they should go somewhere else?
When you were dating your wife, did you tell her all of the reasons she should prefer other potential suitors to you? If someone has stock in General Motors, should they tell the world why customers should buy a Ford or a Toyota instead?
Of course other schools can use negative recruiting tactics. That does not make it a good idea for Rutgers fans to do it to themselves. Show me fans of any big time programs telling the world why players should go somewhere else.
When you were dating your wife, did you tell her all of the reasons she should prefer other potential suitors to you? If someone has stock in General Motors, should they tell the world why customers should buy a Ford or a Toyota instead?
Of course other schools can use negative recruiting tactics. That does not make it a good idea for Rutgers fans to do it to themselves. Show me fans of any big time programs telling the world why players should go somewhere else.
And how is your approach going to fix things or help the situation?
Here's a clue - it won't.
Will it hurt?
Maybe, especially if enough of us do what you suggest.
We have enough people (and opposing coaches, and opposing fans, and disbelieving neighbors and friend and families members) pointing out all of our warts.
And you want to add to that list of people.
(Yes, I will use the word "CLUELESS" again.)
You can privately talk to your friends; you can contact our administration if you want to voice your opinion, IF you seriously want to change something about our program.
But IMO, you should not simply add to the bitchfest and post for all the world (recruits, parents, general public, opposing fans) to see why we don't measure up and why great players should not come here.
I am not saying stick your head in the sand.
Of course we have our shortcomings, like all schools do.
But whining on a message board is NOT going to help our situation 1 iota, and again, IMO, it will only add to the doubt a player or his family might have in coming to play for Rutgers.
A lot of it is public perception.
Do we want to help our public perception, or do we want your spouse to post on Facebook that "you aren't worthy and he/she should leave you for someone else?"
Seriously, you can't understand what I am saying here?
You are trying to win an argument and want to be factually correct instead of wanting and doing what is better for the school that you supposedly "root" for.
Maybe you want to appear unbiased, or objectice.
Guess what?
FANS ARE (and should be by the very nature of their name) biased and unobjective.
Last edited:
Nothing really looking back at it. I learned a lot of tough lessons at RU that I am better for having gone through it. I made a lot off dumb decisions in college. But I guess it was a learning experience. I just think a full ride to Michigan is a much better gamble than a full ride to RU both on the field and off the field.
Last edited:
Michigan's tradition and facilities are directly proportionate to its tenure in the B1G. It's been playing bigtime ball for generations and with that comes the benefits the school has earned. Rutgers is brand new to this game. It can be what Michigan is. And if you are a kid from NJ and if you go to RU and suit up for the Scarlet Knights, one day you will be able to look back and say, "I was a part of building this program, this tradition, these facilities. I did not take the easier road. And it has made all the difference."
As for academics, don't kid yourself. The same traditions and the longevity of the Michigan brand stoutly influence the perception of the school. Reality, though, and a few decades of life experience, reveal a Rutgers education is on par with the best schools in the nation, even if the popular perception is less compelling.
As for academics, don't kid yourself. The same traditions and the longevity of the Michigan brand stoutly influence the perception of the school. Reality, though, and a few decades of life experience, reveal a Rutgers education is on par with the best schools in the nation, even if the popular perception is less compelling.
Perception is all that counts in this day and age of social media and short attention spans. No one cares about the long term. In the long term we're all dead anyway.
If he wants to be another 4 or 5 star recruit who wants to be among 3 or 4 others at his poisiton who were pretty much the same in HS, then he should go to Mich or OSU. RU can offer him ..at least potentially extensive playing time (If he is good enough), good school, big conference and big stage. Close to home where family and friends can easily watch him play in person.
So basically you're saying if he wants to be a big fish in a small pond come to RU. If you want to be a big fish in a big pond go to Michigan where it'll be more off a challenge... That doesn't put RU in a positive light...
This is rhetorical, no need to answer: do you think what you and Pritz are posting this in thread will HELPS or HURTS the perception of Rutgers?
Jersey really does eat its own.
I can just imagine if you guys have kids some day. They have a potential boyfriend/girlfriend stop by before going out on a date. While your son or daughter is out of the room, you talk to the date and ask: why are you interested in my kid? Don't you know there are (better looking/smarter/nicer) kids you could go out with? Man, if I was in your shoes and I could go out with that kid down the street instead, I would not be sitting in this living room. But, you know, I still love my kid.
I'm only concerned with Coaches, OL and QBs because this is New Jersey and not rural Tennesse or Alabama.
Ford didn't decommit. Tenn pulled his offer after receiving a last minute commitment from a second higher ranked DL.
This is why this board is borderline unreadable lately. This absolute pile on whenever anybody dares say anything remotely negative or realistic about Rutgers is disgraceful.
All the man did was list a few things about Michigan that are undeniably, empirically, literally true and it's defense mechanisms firing left and right. Are you all really so insecure that we can't even dare utter that Michigan is a great school with a great coach and a great football culture?
Listen to yourselves. Good lord, this place.
cue meatheads: "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BRO, YOU'RE A BAD FAN, I BLEED SCARLET, WHY DO YOU EVEN COME HERE IF YOU HATE RUTGERS SO MUCH, YOU'RE A ***, BLAAAAAAAAH!"
'Remotely Negative'???? Are you kidding!
This board is not readable due to all the negative comments on this board. People here were bashing Laviano after the Kansas win, what other fanbase does that. We have people saying that RU would not get 150yds total against MSU.
We have the most miserable fanbase in college football, where have you been. Remotely negative my ARS.
Priceless screen name in light of this comment.
Either way, I'm not so sure why this place is so obsessed with calling out other fans. It's really something else. I guess I just did it myself, but it's tiring.
All that may be true, but just because I don't need to sell the virtues of other schools at the expense of my own school doesn't mean that I have my head in the sand.
That is just plain stupid. You won't find fans of many other schools calling out their own deficiencies....rather you see them providing reasons why their school is BETTER.
Some things are just better left unsaid, but Blitz would rather list the reasons we fall short....and put Rutgers down, and that sucks.
People here come because they're fans of Rutgers, not because they want to hear how some other school is superior in every conceivable way apparantly.
Flood can cash in on Walker and Gary when we beat Michigan at there house and osu at our house! GO RU!!
Man some people here are sensitive. Michigan is one of the top 5 college football programs in the country, there's really no shame in acknowledging they are better than RU is just about every aspect. That doesn't mean that Michigan is a better option than RU for EVERY recruit, but let's not run from the truth here.
Miami fans have been flying planes over various practices/games with a banner that reads "FIRE GOLDEN." You think fans across the country are out there accepting bad/mediocre results? People want whats best for the program. That doesn't always mean spewing sunshine.
Washington Post from a month ago. I guess pockets so as deep as they used to be in Coral gales since Shapiro went to the federal pen.
Fire Al Golden movement is running out of money for airplane banners at Miami
Brilliant !
Our young RBs will all be Juniors next year.
We should not worry recruiting an high talented RB for the future.
We already have Snorweah from the last class and Sneed from this class. Both RBs should be good.
That analysis can be said for at least six other B1G schools.The factors cited above are those that top tier recruits probably use in their decision making.
Actually I would say the only big ten team that is better than RU in ALL categories is Michigan. OSU, PSU, MSU and Wisconsin maybe better in most of those aspects but their academics are on par with RU, not better. The only one that stands out in all categories imo is Michigan. Northwestern has better academics but RU surpasses them in tradition and to some extent fanbase not to mention on field success (I know they've been successful off late but over the past decade RU is better).