Keepers for next year
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Very few players have true “NIL” value. The poster who made that comment clearly meant that he performed at a higher level than what he was paid (regardless of source). And I’m sure he was paid like a frosh, so that is pretty accurate. He played 14 mpg at the 5 over 2 other centers on the roster.
He did not perform at a higher level that what he was paid. He performed at the level of a guy who earned a free scholarship. He probably made 200k more than that.
And if the “frosh rate” aka entry level is $200k he earned that. He logged 14 mpg. He logged more minutes than Nwuli and probably cost less.
It's okay buttercup, we know you have insecurities when challenged.
If your watching this tournament maybe Francis as a role player but the rest of our team deep development guys.
you can argue against that premise but if you have limited budget and a gun to your head to make the tournament. Are you paying any of our guys??
you can argue against that premise but if you have limited budget and a gun to your head to make the tournament. Are you paying any of our guys??
This is just dumb. You've never seen Tariq play with a legit frontcourt presence and your concluding maybe he can be a role player on a decent team? That’s not fair. Maybe he can be even better than he was if surrounded by other scoring threats. We have no idea? He’s never had that before.
Everyone else was a role player and that was the biggest problem. We didn’t have enough fire power. But many of them were frosh. A lot of frosh do make big year over year jumps. So we’ll see.
Another classless comment from this toad.
Ok fair but that’s a lot of ifs and maybes! We will agree to disagree!
Too small and one dimensional. The frosh have zero chance of playing on a tournament team.,,
We need a major over haul for Pikes sake.
Did you just say Tariq’s game is “one dimensional”? Say whatever you want about anything else, but the polar opposite of this is true. He scores in every which way.
Consider how well the Big Ten teams have played in the Big Ten tournament and then consider how much Big Ten vocal have their teams focus on Francis and then consider how well he plays and how much he scores anyway in Big Ten play. He was even voted Honorable Mention Big Ten by the media, which is well deserved. Francis is a very good player and very crafty. He’s also a great foul shooter!
It’s a joke to say he’s one dimensional. He shot almost 36% from 3 on high volume. He led the BIG in FT percentage and was top 10 in attempts drawing fouls in every which way. He has a deadly mid range shot which some will critique as an inefficient shot selection however he uses craftiness to force defenders to respect him there and exploits it to get to the rim. Finishes in transition. Hes not “one dimensional” at all.
Apologies I mean one dimensional ISO player. I don’t see his role in a set offense. Also, I think we agree he needs to be the 3rd best player ( maybe second) for us to be a bubble team.
With those new portal guys coming in taking the lion share of the ISO opportunities what’s Tariq’s role?
Not a plus defender, rebounder etc
We just see this different! All good
Yes iso player who lives in the mid range and draws fouls while doing it! Very good in that dimension no doubt.
Does not get to the rim and mid 30’s from 3 is not a dimension I want to live in.
How did he look handling the ball against Seton hall?
How about Big tournament?
I want him back but def less than 1mm and has a sixth/seventh man. We can all out w him to play ISO and run the second units scoring.
He doesn’t “live” in the midrange. He made more 3s than Dylan Harper did and hit them at a better clip. He also does attack the rim and would likely do so more if there were other interior threats who needed to be accounted for. He’s one of the craftiest players to ever wear a Rutgers jersey for sure which makes up for him not being the fastest kid. Scored every which way for us all season long. You have no basis for saying he’d be ineffective in a different offense he’s never played in.
And what are you talking about BIG tournament? He had one bad game on tired legs. He was awesome in the Minnesota game. As for SHU - I’m not sure what your point is. He should never have been on the floor running the point with 4 poor dribblers - Denis, Ogbole, Grant and Zrno are not complementary ball handlers. He needs Buchanan, Powers or even Bryce Dortch level ball handlers with him to help.
Best player is subjective. Nobody would’ve declared MJ our best player but without him we’re not an NCAA caliber team his last 2 years at RU. We need a starting caliber center and wing / forward for sure. Landing those 2 things is easier said than done but your short selling the impact that could potentially be realized from swapping out 60 of our worst minutes (of 200 total per game) with much better, position relative minutes. Add in one more portal contributor who provides different types of skills from Buchanan, and see even modest development from 1-2 of the other returners and it would make a difference.
Enough to win 5 more game? I mean - don’t lose to CC, close out the game at home against Michigan St and your almost halfway there. I understand it’s still an uphill battle but it’s not quite the mountain it was last off season at least.
Oh just 5 more quad1 win and 2 more Q2..not much
We won 14 games. We don’t need 21 wins (7 more) to be on the bubble. It would actually be 22 if we didn’t lose to CC. I understand it’s an uphill climb but stop making it worse than it really is.
18 win teams are in the bubble conversation and give themselves a chance down the stretch in March. Don’t lose to CC. Then find 3 more wins. We blew one at home against Mich State. We could beat a ND type in Vegas. We could beat the middle of the pack teams at home in conference - maybe those are quad 2. But this - beat only the bad teams thing, isn’t really a Pike trait (it’s more of a Schiano thing actually). With Pike - that outcome was unique to this season where our roster had fundamental flaws that we just couldn’t overcome against teams with a post presence. If we fix that, we should be able to knock off a couple better teams on given days as we’ve done in past years.
Our sos offered nothing in league and a quad 4 loss to cent con state. 20 wins doesnt get you a bid for sure anymore
Those sec schools had ooc wins
Um
Rutgers was 0-13 in q1 and 2-5 in q2
2-18 in q1/2 and you say we are a few wins away
So close eh?
Please stop
These excercises are not healthy
Rutgers was 0-13 in q1 and 2-5 in q2
2-18 in q1/2 and you say we are a few wins away
So close eh?
Please stop
These excercises are not healthy
Yes - exactly. Win a few of those and don’t lose CC. Then your on the bubble. I’m not saying we will land a decent BIG - that’s a huge if, but that alone would make a difference.
7 more wins plus not losing to CC would have us at like a 6 seed. Not the bubble. Again, things aren’t great but stop exaggerating. It’s not as bad as your making it out to be.
No it wouldn’t it would have us where Iowa and Ohio state were at best
WHO those wins are against matters too not just adding wins
lol...no it wouldnt have a 6 seed and your post can be said by every single bad team in the country..if we just won more games..come on dude, this is weak
our Q1/2 record is literally the worst of any power 5 school and you are making an argument that its not far away. The only P5 schools with worse Q1/2 are 2 schools we are ahead of in the NET...Ga Tech, BC. similar numbers to maryland and psu
Rutgers was 0-12 vs ncaa tourney teams...0-14 if you had in 2 bubbles....2-12 if you add in schools like Penn/Lehigh who won conference tourneys
they would have need to have at least 4 wins vs ncaa schools...if you give RU wins vs Michigan State, at Iowa, Ohio State at home it brings the Q1 mark to 3-9 and that isnt good enough for a ncaa resume at 16-15 heading into the big 10 tourney...we arent even on the bubble..okay then say add Q2 wins over washington and at usc, notre dame and flip the ccsu game...RU is 20-11 heading into the big 10 tourney....11-9 in conference but yet only 3-9 vs field, a weak non conference sos with o wins of note and 7-11 in Q1/2...the 14-11 mark in Q1/2/3 isnt bad...at best it puts RU in a similar spot as SMU...that is giving RU SEVEN more wins...this is a silly exercise....Rutgers wasnt a good team that was they finished 14-19. They feasted on bad schools in the big 10..give them credit for that but thats about it.
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What? I didn’t say we were winning 7 more. I said we wouldn’t need to win that many more to be on the bubble.
It would be 17-14. We’re assuming CC isn’t a loss obviously. I didn’t say this is a slam dunk only that we are not quite as far off as your making it out. Starting with a returning proven scorer is a step in the right direction. We haven’t yet had that in the portal era. We had Dylan and Ace coming in, sure, but Pike had never coached them. He has an opportunity to recruit guys that work well with Tariq’s game. That’s not “nothing”. It’s at least a start. All I’m saying is let’s see how portal season goes before counting them out.
we are not far off...every school can say that besides bc and ga tech..come on....are you hearing yourself
literally every power 5 school can say the same thing besides 2.
Correct. Only 5 players play this sport at a time. One year turnarounds are possible with a few key adjustments. Not everyone gets it done, and it’s a huge question mark what level front court players Pike will be able to land. We’ll see.
We need a full frontcourt . 2 forwards and maybe 2 centers to start any discussion about competing against the top of the big 10. Maybe another 2 way guard or wing but Francis , Powers , Lino and Zrno should get better next year and the 3 frosh can make the biggest leap. But we have to have dudes that can rebound and score down low or get one center a rim protector and one center who can step out and shoot the 3. Then we need power forwards to fix the rebounding problem we have had the last 2 years . Do not even need to discuss the guards until the other stuff is fixed. High priority on the front court
Bac is relentless in his crusades to belittle our coaches. He has been posting for maybe 30 years, and it is always the same MO. Like the coach for less than a year, and then lead the crusade to take him down. He is not going to compromise and admit maybe the coach is not the worst one ever to put on a uniform. There is some magical one out there just waiting for RU to call him - a coach who does not need NIL and likely does not even need highly-rated players.
There is a daily one minute podcast called The Daily News Now Rutgers Basketball that reported yesterday that Dylan Grant has agreed to return next season. Have no idea if the podcast is credible, but does anyone know if Dylan Grant has agreed to return?