Keepers for next year

[PSAL_Hoops]

If the goal is to be a legit sweet 16 or better team then yes we need a new starting lineup and probably a bench player. Keep Francis and Buchanon as rotation guys.

if your watching the tournament. Pace, size, movement, physicality. Francis would not see much playing time.

Go down the sweet 16 rosters . None of our guys would make those rosters. Maybe 1

You just don’t get it. We are not buying 5 proven starters. And Francis isn’t staying for 600k. If you think the answer if to grab 9 taller versions of Francis (position adjusted) and hope we get better and taller than him and don’t get Dercack, Martini, Acuff, Austin Williams, J Will etc. and instead get guys like “what you are watching” well good luck with that. It’s not happening. Starters from good teams aren’t transferring to RU right now. That’s not in the cards. Maybe we could overbid for one but certainly not more than that.
All these teams get a lot more transition opportunity than us. It’s almost impossible to picture what we would look like with a real front court. It changes a lot. MJ was on his own the difference between tournament caliber and 14-15 win teams. How’s that. No MJ nowhere near the bubble that Covid year

 

[bac2therac]

You are clueless as usual

My bad 3x actually


Illinois didnt spend $40 million on nil. They spent $10-15 million

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate

 

[tru2ru1]

My bad 3x actually


Illinois didnt spend $40 million on nil. They spent $10-15 million

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate

RU had less then $2 million with the Vegas money, don't believe everything you read here or on X

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

My bad 3x actually


Illinois didnt spend $40 million on nil. They spent $10-15 million

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate

Does it really matter? We clearly don’t have enough funds where money can be our strategy for hoarding in top tier players. Maybe we can overpay to “bribe” one guy. If we had 3 times the funds we’d perhaps be in a position to bribe 3 guys. 5 times, we could bribe 5 times. And if it was 10 times, we could buy an entire roster supermarket style.

At the end of the day we might not even be able to bribe one star to come to Rutgers.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Does it really matter? We clearly don’t have enough funds where money can be our strategy for hoarding in top tier players. Maybe we can overpay to “bribe” one guy. If we had 3 times the funds we’d perhaps be in a position to bribe 3 guys. 5 times, we could bribe 5 times. And if it was 10 times, we could buy an entire roster supermarket style.

At the end of the day we might not even be able to bribe one star to come to Rutgers.

That's the flaw in your thinking, you're looking for "stars" instead of high level players that Rutgers can afford with the bankroll they have. They will get some good players out of the portal this year.

 

[bac2therac]

RU had less then $2 million with the Vegas money, don't believe everything you read here or on X

Richie said it was 4 million with with vegas money

And even if it was 2 which it wasnt, Illinois didnt spend 10x..why exaggerate

 

[tru2ru1]

Richie said it was 4 million with with vegas money

And even if it was 2 which it wasnt, Illinois didnt spend 10x..why exaggerate

Ritchie is wrong & you have no idea how much Illinois paid for the seven foot Croatian twins, cause they & Stojakovic were not cheap

 

[bac2therac]

Ritchie is wrong & you have no idea how much Illinois paid for the seven foot Croatian twins, cause they & Stojakovic were not cheap

I believe him over you.

Show your receipts

Almost all accounts say Illinois was 8-10 million

Just because you act like a know it all doesnt make you correct

Back up your posts

 

[NickRU714]

Ritchie is wrong & you have no idea how much Illinois paid for the seven foot Croatian twins, cause they & Stojakovic were not cheap

I mean, you have no idea either, right?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

That's the flaw in your thinking, you're looking for "stars" instead of high level players that Rutgers can afford with the bankroll they have. They will get some good players out of the portal this year.

He’s saying we shouldn’t shell out more than 650K absolute max for Tariq and should instead replace the whole roster. We will not be better by doing that. There is no chance at all.

Tariq is going to cost a million. And other team’s $1M players aren’t choosing RU unless we pay a lot more than $1M to come to us. It’s not just Rutgers. They aren’t running to Minnesota either.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

He’s saying we shouldn’t shell out more than 650K absolute max for Tariq and should instead replace the whole roster. We will not be better by doing that. There is no chance at all.

Tariq is going to cost a million. And other team’s $1M players aren’t choosing RU unless we pay a lot more than $1M to come to us. It’s not just Rutgers. They aren’t running to Minnesota either.

I don't see that anywhere in your response to Bac's comment but okay.

 

[RUDivision]

He’s saying we shouldn’t shell out more than 650K absolute max for Tariq and should instead replace the whole roster. We will not be better by doing that. There is no chance at all.

Tariq is going to cost a million. And other team’s $1M players aren’t choosing RU unless we pay a lot more than $1M to come to us. It’s not just Rutgers. They aren’t running to Minnesota either.

Iowa ? They didn’t spend more then us and they will be able to recruit kids to play in that system.

You highlighting the Ru tax ( I agree btw) is another indictment on the coaching .

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Upon watching all of these games, aside from TF, the most important player to keep is Powers. He will shoot better because he has great form , he can create his own shot, he gives you size, and he is the best passer (a very underrated skill) on the team by far. He will become a good defender.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Iowa ? They didn’t spend more then us and they will be able to recruit kids to play in that system.

You highlighting the Ru tax ( I agree btw) is another indictment on the coaching .

They spent more than us. It was posted somewhere. 6.5 M vs our 4 M. And that extra 1.5M is more meaningful than the gap between a 10M and an 11.5M team.

1.5M extra might’ve mean buying a center.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I don't see that anywhere in your response to Bac's comment but okay.

My original comment on this topic was in direct response to Division’s post about wiping out the whole roster unless we can keep Tariq on the cheap to be a utility player - no more than 650K max. Probably a page or so posts in between it though on various responses. Not worth digging for it now but that was the point. If Tariq isn’t worth 650K to us, I don’t know what folks think we’re getting in the open market.

Your right - we’re not getting “stars” so the key is to keep the one we have who has proven himself to be a 17 ppg high major scorer. We will not be landing another one of those. I don’t think BAC disagrees on this point either.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

They spent more than us. It was posted somewhere. 6.5 M vs our 4 M. And that extra 1.5M is more meaningful than the gap between a 10M and an 11.5M team.

1.5M extra might’ve mean buying a center.

If Pike was Iowa's coach, with his ISO style of play, I'm not sure they would have won 15 games. Also, the kid from Mt. St Mary's isn't good enough IMO. Pike needs 25 million to make up for his deficiencies.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

My original comment on this topic was in direct response to Division’s post about wiping out the whole roster unless we can keep Tariq on the cheap to be a utility player - no more than 650K max. Probably a page or so posts in between it though on various responses. Not worth digging for it now but that was the point. If Tariq isn’t worth 650K to us, I don’t know what folks think we’re getting in the open market.

Your right - we’re not getting “stars” so the key is to keep the one we have who has proven himself to be a 17 ppg high major scorer. We will not be landing another one of those. I don’t think BAC disagrees on this point either.

You realize that if Pike had the money for a better roster, Francis wouldn't have those stats. A lot of it had to do with the lack of scorers on this team.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Upon watching all of these games, aside from TF, the most important player to keep is Powers. He will shoot better because he has great form , he can create his own shot, he gives you size, and he is the best passer (a very underrated skill) on the team by far. He will become a good defender.

I don’t know. I have no problem with him staying for cheap but he doesn’t have the metrics to pay him much more than an incoming frosh. His percentages aren’t good and his D as of right now is poor.

 

[RUDivision]

They spent more than us. It was posted somewhere. 6.5 M vs our 4 M. And that extra 1.5M is more meaningful than the gap between a 10M and an 11.5M team.

1.5M extra might’ve mean buying a center.

Broadcast had them at 3.5mm

Either way lower level kids following their coach, mixed in with freshman, with not a lot of money.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

I don’t know. I have no problem with him staying for cheap but he doesn’t have the metrics to pay him much more than an incoming frosh. His percentages aren’t good and his D as of right now is poor.

Totally disagree. He's only a freshman. If he shot 38% from three, and he will, everyone would love him, and he is the best passer on the team - big time upside IMO. Remember, JMike went from a poor three point shooter as a freshman to leading the team in three point shooting percentage two years later, and Powers might have better form on his shot, and at 6'4", can get it off easier.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

You realize that if Pike had the money for a better roster, Francis wouldn't have those stats. A lot of it had to do with the lack of scorers on this team.

Actually - no. What I realize is that any other player in Rutgers price range could not score anything close to 17 ppg at the efficiency level that he did if called on to do it. His efficiency level relative to his usage is excellent and the reason he’s clearly worth the price tag. We will not bring in better from the portal. No chance.

I don’t understand how people still disrespect this kid the way you are. Shame on you actually for doing it. It’s not like Tariq only scored because he was hoisting up a million shots. It’s simply not true. He was our only threat. Teams completely focused on defending him and the kid still found a way to put up his numbers scoring more in conference play than he did earlier (at which point everyone was still saying his numbers would go down in conference play which they didn’t). Enough already.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Totally disagree. He's only a freshman. If he shot 38% from three, and he will, everyone would love him, and he is the best passer on the team - big time upside. Remember, JMike went from a poor three point shooter as a freshman to leading the team in three point shooting percentage two years later, and Powers might have better form on his shot, and at 6'4", can get it off easier.

His 3 point shooting isn’t the problem. 32.6% on its own is okay for a frosh. The problem was everything else.

He was only 34% overall from the field (2s and 3s combined) which is awful. He turned the ball over too much, wasn’t good at defense, and didn’t get to the foul line much at all (only 17 attempts on the season).

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

I believe him over you.

Show your receipts

Almost all accounts say Illinois was 8-10 million

Just because you act like a know it all doesnt make you correct

Back up your posts

If you're a great coach a million or two shouldn't make much of a difference. If it was all about money don't even play the games.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

If you're a great coach a million or two shouldn't make much of a difference. If it was all about money don't even play the games.

I think it matters more at the lower values. The difference between 4 and 6M this year was a big deal. The difference between 10M and 11M not as big.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Actually - no. What I realize is that any other player in Rutgers price range could not score anything close to 17 ppg at the efficiency level that he did if called on to do it. His efficiency level relative to his usage is excellent and the reason he’s clearly worth the price tag. We will not bring in better from the portal. No chance.

I don’t understand how people still disrespect this kid the way you are. Shame on you actually for doing it. It’s not like Tariq only scored because he was hoisting up a million shots. It’s simply not true. He was our only threat. Teams completely focused on defending him and the kid still found a way to put up his numbers scoring more in conference play than he did earlier (at which point everyone was still saying his numbers would go down in conference play which they didn’t). Enough already.

I said if Pike had the money for a better roster and you start arguing about the money they actually had.

Reading comprehension.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I said if Pike had the money for a better roster and you start arguing about the money they actually had.

Reading comprehension.

My comprehension is fine.

What am I supposed to be “realizing”? That the numbers wouldn’t be good if Tariq was surrounded by better players? How do you know Tariq wouldn’t be a ton more efficient without the focus on him? You have no idea what his numbers would be. There’s nothing for me to “realize” because we point blank don’t know.

So I flipped it the other way. I DO know exactly what Tariq did despite not having any offensive weapons to take the focus off him. I’m very confidence in my belief that there aren’t any portal players Rutgers University could buy for $1M who, if thrust into the same situation would be likely to replicate Tariq’s metrics.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

His 3 point shooting isn’t the problem. 32.6% on its own is okay for a frosh. The problem was everything else.

He was only 34% overall from the field (2s and 3s combined) which is awful. He turned the ball over too much, wasn’t good at defense, and didn’t get to the foul line much at all (only 17 attempts on the season).

You're looking at freshman stats. I think you need to be somewhat of a visionary here. You can also improve on almost everything except passing. Players don't develop into great passers after they get to college. They develop that skill after years of playing experience and not in a couple of years, and passing might be the most important offensive metric. If five guys can pass and you have a good offensive system then most shots are uncontested. Once asked a high school coaching legend what he thought was the most important offensive skill he wanted in a player and he said passing.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

You're looking at freshman stats. I think you need to be somewhat of a visionary here. You can also improve on almost everything except passing. Players don't develop into great passers after they get to college. They develop that skill after years of playing experience and not in a couple of years.

I wasn’t watching his passing all that closely but nothing jumped out at me that was so special about him. 34% shooting isn’t just meh, it’s an awful metric for a 2 guard.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

My comprehension is fine.

What am I supposed to be “realizing”? That the numbers wouldn’t be good if Tariq was surrounded by better players? How do you know Tariq wouldn’t be a ton more efficient without the focus on him? You have no idea what his numbers would be. There’s nothing for me to “realize” because we point blank don’t know.

So I flipped it the other way. I DO know exactly what Tariq did despite not having any offensive weapons to take the focus off him. I’m very confidence in my belief that there aren’t any portal players Rutgers University could buy for $1M who, if thrust into the same situation would be likely to replicate Tariq’s metrics.

Got it, you're romanticizing him like with EO and ignoring the reality of the situation. It's true that he exceeded expectations and it's also true that the team didn't have many other consistent scoring options.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

I wasn’t watching his passing all that closely but nothing jumped out at me that was so special about him. 34% shooting isn’t just meh, it’s an awful metric for a 2 guard.

First you said his three point shooting wasn't a problem and now you say it's awful. Francis, four inches shorter and an equally poor defender, and with four year's experience, shot 2% higher from three. Three years from now Powers will be a better player than Francis is now - maybe sooner.

I might add that Powers was a three star player and Francis a zero star player. HE'S ONLY A FRESHMAN.

 

[seansherm]

First you said his three point shooting wasn't a problem and now you say it's awful. Francis, four inches shorter and an equally poor defender, and with four year's experience, shot 2% higher from three. Three years from now Powers will be a better player than Francis is now - maybe sooner.

I might add that Powers was a three star player and Francis a zero star player. HE'S ONLY A FRESHMAN.

That 34% is total shooting, not his 3 PT %, and it is awful. Simpson shot 37% as a freshman. Powers only had one month this year he reached 37%.
I do think Powers has offensive potential, love his form, and his passing vision is good. Terrible defensively.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

That 34% is total shooting, not his 3 PT %, and it is awful. Simpson shot 37% as a freshman. Powers only had one month this year he reached 37%.
I do think Powers has offensive potential, love his form, and his passing vision is good. Terrible defensively.

The defense can be fixed. Who knows - maybe he was used to playing zone in high school. Maybe they didn't even drill man to man defensive. He's a good enough athlete to catch up defensively if Pike is the defensive guru everyone thinks he is.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

My original comment on this topic was in direct response to Division’s post about wiping out the whole roster unless we can keep Tariq on the cheap to be a utility player - no more than 650K max. Probably a page or so posts in between it though on various responses. Not worth digging for it now but that was the point. If Tariq isn’t worth 650K to us, I don’t know what folks think we’re getting in the open market.

Your right - we’re not getting “stars” so the key is to keep the one we have who has proven himself to be a 17 ppg high major scorer. We will not be landing another one of those. I don’t think BAC disagrees on this point either.

It only one takes one team to go hard after someone and pay up, but I think the market for Francis will be a lot weaker than people think. He is like Cam Thomas, an undersized ball dominant player who wastes a lot of clock and doesn’t make he teammates better (they are usually just standing around when he has the ball in his hands). Cam scored 24 points a game for the Nets last year, become a restricted free agent but had virtually no interest, the Nets signed him for a year at a relatively low salary, they end up cutting him, he hooks up with Milwaukee and they cut him. It’s because they play a style of basketball no one wants to play anymore, teams want bigger players who make quick decisions and move the ball to find the open shots.