Kentucky Expands Voting Access

[Tskware]

Are you said ‘cynic’ or just being rhetorical? Just to be clear on your particular position.

And given this past national election’s increase black voters voting conservative maybe you’re you’re describing more inner city voters?

In general, I think it is a great political idea for groups to vote in different directions. If everyone in Northern Ky, as an example, always votes for Party X, eventually, Party Y quits caring what Northern Ky thinks, because they are never going to get their votes anyway, and Party X only pays lip service, because they know they are going to receive all the votes in Northern Ky anyway. You are seeing this nationally with the Latino voting bloc, neither party can count on a solid vote either way, and the Latino population has all sorts of issues that vary by region, so they are going to have to be courted to get their votes, which is entirely proper.

As to you question, probably more inner city voters, which are predominantly black. Lets put it this way, when you hear white Republicans loudly proclaim "everyone knows what goes on in Philadelphia", and decries the "rampant fraud and cheating" in "Democrat run cities", like Washington DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. Do you really think the underlying message is not racist? I don't think you have to be Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to figure that out.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

The only reason ky is getting praise is because the new rules do not include voter ID. Of course that's because voter ID was already required.

Yes folks that's how stupid msm and social media are. That's proven by moving the all star game from Georgia because they enacted a verification requirement. Of course it moved to Colorado who already had one. But it's ok because everyone is too stupid to realize it. We're living in an entirely alternate universe where only narratives matter.

Also no - requiring voter ID or verification is not racist in the least.

 

[Tskware]

how do people without IDs board planes? Buy alcohol? Tobacco? Legal weed?

You raise a good point, did you ever get an answer? I voted by absentee both times last fall, but at least had to use my Ky Drivers license number, so I did have to have an ID. I realize a lot of people don't drive, but are there that many that don't fly or buy a beer every now and then?

 

[WildcatFan1982]

There is a way to get on a plane without an ID. I have a friend who was on vacation and had her purse stolen (so off went her DL and passport). She was able to fly back to Kentucky. I don't remember the process she had to go through, but TSA can approve you.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

ahh here we go

Acceptable Identification at the TSA Checkpoint | Transportation Security Administration

The TSA Identification Requirements page outlines acceptable forms of ID for travelers at airport security checkpoints.

www.tsa.gov

Forgot Your ID?​

In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete an identity verification process which includes collecting information such as your name, current address, and other personal information to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You will be subject to additional screening, to include a patdown and screening of carry-on property.

You will not be allowed to enter the security checkpoint if your identity cannot be confirmed, you choose to not provide proper identification or you decline to cooperate with the identity verification process.

TSA recommends that you arrive at least two hours in advance of your flight time.

 

[SDC888]

Voter ID is a canard, just a bold faced lie for racist Democrats to racialize an issue opportunistically - to hide the obvious reality, that yes, they want to cheat.

Who would want to vote but can't due to not having identification? Has there ever been one person interviewed that said, ya know, I'd love to vote but can't because I don't have ID?

My state sends a piece of paper with voter registration that I'm pretty sure can be used in place of ID, something like that should be the obviouse solution if , I don't know, YOU ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT SOLVING THE SO CALLED PROBLEM INSTEAD OF YOUR BS POLITICIZATION.

Dems cheat, can't win without it... that and exploiting democracy's long understood weakness since the ancient Greeks invented it, who damn well understood, the best way to get elected is tell people what they want to hear, offer them free stuff, and exploit their ignorances and gullibility.

Just shameful, awful people you left have become. Worthless, worse than that really...

 

[MegaBlue05]

Without wading into red/blue team good, blue/red team bad, BS, I would be in favor of issuing each registered voter a free government-sanctioned ID for voting. Removing the cost element levels the playing field.

Extend the polling hours and allow early voting for X amount of days prior to each election.

Make election day a federal holiday. An extra day off won’t hurt anything and might encourage more folks to participate in the elections process.

Ensure equal access to polling stations (i.e. if an affluent section of town has 6 polling places, the “other side of the tracks” should have 6 polling places.

The water thing is beyond stupid. Nobody is having their vote swayed by a free bottle of water or slice of pizza. Just ensure everyone in line receives the same stuff and the folks passing it out aren’t outwardly affiliated with any party or candidate.

I understand both arguments:
Rs say Ds cheat at voting/allow illegals to vote
Ds say Rs can’t win national races without suppressing the vote of D strongholds

Both have a nugget of merit while simultaneously dabbling in paranoia and conspiracy.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Of course, cynics will say everyone knows why Republicans are pushing voting laws to suppress the poor black vote, right?

Voter ID suppresses black voters? How? Do these same black voters never fly or get a driver's license? Never buy cigarettes or alcohol? Never apply for loans for vehicles or houses?

 

[JumperJack]

Because the longest lines are in democratic districts due to closing of polling places and lower staff polling places, so they have to take measures that will prevent less people voting in Democratic districts so they can try to to stop hemorrhaging Senate and Presidential races.

So what’s an easy way to do that? Prevent people from receiving food and water when standing in line for hours because of course staying in power is more important than preventing people from health complications due to lack of food and water just so they can practice their constitutional right to vote.

The new law expands early voting by adding two Saturdays and an option for Sunday.

 

[buckethead1978]

Voter ID suppresses black voters? How? Do these same black voters never fly or get a driver's license? Never buy cigarettes or alcohol? Never apply for loans for vehicles or houses?

you think poor people do all those things? Or the elderly?

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

You raise a good point, did you ever get an answer? I voted by absentee both times last fall, but at least had to use my Ky Drivers license number, so I did have to have an ID. I realize a lot of people don't drive, but are there that many that don't fly or buy a beer every now and then?

There’s millions of people who don’t fly or buy alcohol.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Voter ID is a canard, just a bold faced lie for racist Democrats to racialize an issue opportunistically - to hide the obvious reality, that yes, they want to cheat.

Who would want to vote but can't due to not having identification? Has there ever been one person interviewed that said, ya know, I'd love to vote but can't because I don't have ID?

My state sends a piece of paper with voter registration that I'm pretty sure can be used in place of ID, something like that should be the obviouse solution if , I don't know, YOU ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT SOLVING THE SO CALLED PROBLEM INSTEAD OF YOUR BS POLITICIZATION.

Dems cheat, can't win without it... that and exploiting democracy's long understood weakness since the ancient Greeks invented it, who damn well understood, the best way to get elected is tell people what they want to hear, offer them free stuff, and exploit their ignorances and gullibility.

Just shameful, awful people you left have become. Worthless, worse than that really...

That voter registration isn’t a photo ID, at least it isn’t here in VA, so it wouldn’t meet the requirement of a photo ID that many states require.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Voter ID suppresses black voters? How? Do these same black voters never fly or get a driver's license? Never buy cigarettes or alcohol? Never apply for loans for vehicles or houses?

If you’re a poor person living in a big city, you probably aren’t flying, not needing a drivers license because you use public transportation/walk/bike to get everywhere, and aren’t buying vehicles and houses.

 

[jwheat]

Maybe they don’t do any of that

I would be willing to bet 90% of everyone has done at least one of those things or is a normal ******* person and has an ID anyway. It’s dumb this is even a discussion.

now if you want to discuss whether we should have government identification for anything, as a libertarian that’s a discussion I would welcome. I bet you don’t want to go that route though do you. Only to vote?

 

[jwheat]

There is a way to get on a plane without an ID. I have a friend who was on vacation and had her purse stolen (so off went her DL and passport). She was able to fly back to Kentucky. I don't remember the process she had to go through, but TSA can approve you.

I’m actually awaiting his answer. I don’t think ANYONE outside of pedophiles should be required to have a government ID in this country, but like I said he won’t want that. He is a big government liberal

 

[hmt5000]

In general, I think it is a great political idea for groups to vote in different directions. If everyone in Northern Ky, as an example, always votes for Party X, eventually, Party Y quits caring what Northern Ky thinks, because they are never going to get their votes anyway, and Party X only pays lip service, because they know they are going to receive all the votes in Northern Ky anyway. You are seeing this nationally with the Latino voting bloc, neither party can count on a solid vote either way, and the Latino population has all sorts of issues that vary by region, so they are going to have to be courted to get their votes, which is entirely proper.

As to you question, probably more inner city voters, which are predominantly black. Lets put it this way, when you hear white Republicans loudly proclaim "everyone knows what goes on in Philadelphia", and decries the "rampant fraud and cheating" in "Democrat run cities", like Washington DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. Do you really think the underlying message is not racist? I don't think you have to be Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to figure that out.

So when democrats claim voter fraud during the primary are they being racist? Because dems claim fraud all the time during the primary season and it amazingly never happens during the general.

 

[hmt5000]

If you’re a poor person living in a big city, you probably aren’t flying, not needing a drivers license because you use public transportation/walk/bike to get everywhere, and aren’t buying vehicles and houses.

 

[SDC888]

That voter registration isn’t a photo ID, at least it isn’t here in VA, so it wouldn’t meet the requirement of a photo ID that many states require.

It is in my state, I looked after posting... that's what I mean, it's a simple solution to a simple problem that should be obvious to implement everywhere but isn't.

There's really no reason other than bs politics that we can't figure out one person, one verifiable vote.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

There’s millions of people who don’t fly or buy alcohol.

There's more than just Alcohol and Flying that need ID. How about buying tobacco? Opening any bank accounts or credit cards, need ID. How do you think the inner-cities, who all have smart phones, are able to pay for things? Is there a part on the iPhone that you can insert money into?

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of society wouldn't have at least one need that requires Identification.

 

[Tskware]

There's more than just Alcohol and Flying that need ID. How about buying tobacco? Opening any bank accounts or credit cards, need ID. How do you think the inner-cities, who all have smart phones, are able to pay for things? Is there a part on the iPhone that you can insert money into?

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of society wouldn't have at least one need that requires Identification.

To be clear, if all the Georgia law was doing was requiring a photo ID or other verifiable ID, I don't think that it would be all that controversial. Not to me anyway. But there is a lot more than that in the bill and a lot of others being considered. For example, IIRC the Georgia legislature can now replace up to 4 counties election boards at their discretion to assure "honest" elections, i.e., we get to decide who counts the votes in Atlanta. That is really hard to justify any other way than just raw power.

OT: Funny how Senator Mitch now wants corporations out of politics, except when they are lobbying for special legislation or making campaign contributions, that is perfectly fine.

 

[cat_chaser]

you think poor people do all those things? Or the elderly?

Have you seen the people who take 10 minutes at the gas station check out line to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets?

 

[cat_chaser]

I’ve been a social worker for my entire professional career.

I’ve worked with the poorest of the poor.

I’ve worked with folks who have developmental and intellectual disabilities. I’m talking profound mental retardation.

The only time I ever encountered someone without an ID was among the severe-to-profound mental retardation clients. Guess what? We eventually got them an ID, too, because it was f*cking easy to do so.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

was listening to Dan Crenshaw on the Joe Rogan podcast. When he was talking about voter ID he said if you walked up to someone in a black neighborhood and asked why they don't have IDs they'd probably call you an idiot.

 

[JumperJack]

you think poor people do all those things? Or the elderly?

Between drive, smoke, drink, or rent a place....you honestly believe there are large swaths of people in the richest country on earth that don’t do at least one of these?

Please step back and consider how inherently paternalistic your thinking is.

And let’s be realistic...if you don’t do at least one of these and you still want to vote, there are means to get help. Hell you can get free IDs pretty much anywhere it sounds like.

This is about one thing only: eliminating the fraud that goes with mail in voting. Nobody should be against that.

 

[JumperJack]

To be clear, if all the Georgia law was doing was requiring a photo ID or other verifiable ID, I don't think that it would be all that controversial. Not to me anyway. But there is a lot more than that in the bill and a lot of others being considered. For example, IIRC the Georgia legislature can now replace up to 4 counties election boards at their discretion to assure "honest" elections, i.e., we get to decide who counts the votes in Atlanta. That is really hard to justify any other way than just raw power.

I mentioned this earlier: while I don’t necessarily agree with that part of this bill, Pelosi was going to overturn an election she didn’t agree with.

How can that not be worth a boycott? By the logic of MLB, shouldn’t the Nationals be leaving DC? or some other form of twisted “resistance”?

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Between drive, smoke, drink, or rent a place....you honestly believe there are large swaths of people in the richest country on earth that don’t do at least one of these?

Please step back and consider how inherently paternalistic your thinking is.

And let’s be realistic...if you don’t do at least one of these and you still want to vote, there are means to get help. Hell you can get free IDs pretty much anywhere it sounds like.

This is about one thing only: eliminating the fraud that goes with mail in voting. Nobody should be against that.

True. The issue is illegal voting is happening and they do not want it stopped. It's how they stay in office.

 

[Tskware]

I mentioned this earlier: while I don’t necessarily agree with that part of this bill, Pelosi was going to overturn an election she didn’t agree with.

Well that is wrong as well

 

[Tskware]

I mentioned this earlier: while I don’t necessarily agree with that part of this bill, Pelosi was going to overturn an election she didn’t agree with.

How can that not be worth a boycott? By the logic of MLB, shouldn’t the Nationals be leaving DC? or some other form of twisted “resistance”?

Just don't mess with the Masters!!!!!

 

[buckethead1978]

My two grandmothers are 88 and 90.

Any photo ID they have is long expired.

 

[jwheat]

My two grandmothers are 88 and 90.

Any photo ID they have is long expired.

Sounds like one of their grandchildren should stop being a lazy piece of **** and take them to renew their license

 

[JumperJack]

My two grandmothers are 88 and 90.

Any photo ID they have is long expired.

So if they are of sound enough mind to want to cast a vote, they surely can procure an ID. Do they maintain a checkbook, somehow keep the lights on and the insurance paid?

With all due respect, those situations are in no way worth compromising election integrity.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

my 94 year old grandma has an up to date ID.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

There's more than just Alcohol and Flying that need ID. How about buying tobacco? Opening any bank accounts or credit cards, need ID. How do you think the inner-cities, who all have smart phones, are able to pay for things? Is there a part on the iPhone that you can insert money into?

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of society wouldn't have at least one need that requires Identification.

I didn’t have to provide a driver’s license or any other form of government issued photo ID to get my last credit card.

 

[jwheat]

I didn’t have to provide a driver’s license to get my last credit card.

When will you admit that if someone doesn’t have an ID in 98% of cases it’s because they didn’t/don’t want one?

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I would be willing to bet 90% of everyone has done at least one of those things or is a normal ****ing person and has an ID anyway. It’s dumb this is even a discussion.

now if you want to discuss whether we should have government identification for anything, as a libertarian that’s a discussion I would welcome. I bet you don’t want to go that route though do you. Only to vote?

Ah a Libertarian, now I know not to read anything you have to say.

 

[jwheat]

Ah a Libertarian, now I know not to read anything you have to say.

You don’t read anything other than what comes from liberal media. Everyone can see that by your talking points even after they are shot down you put your head down and keep on with them

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

When will you admit that if someone doesn’t have an ID in 98% of cases it’s because they didn’t/don’t want one?

Because I’m not an ignorant child so I don’t make baseless assumptions about millions of people I don’t know.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

You don’t read anything other than what comes from liberal media. Everyone can see that by your talking points even after they are shot down you put your head down and keep on with them

lol I get nearly all my non-local news from the AP, and we all know the AP is just a bastion of far left socialists!

 

[jwheat]

Because I’m not an ignorant child so I don’t make baseless assumptions about millions of people I don’t know.

You made baseless assumptions about millions of people you don’t know when you said those people don’t fly, buy alcohol/tobacco/weed or do anything else that currently requires proof of who you are. Like I said, if you want to discuss how we do not need a government ID for ANYTHING that’s a convo I’ll gladly have

 

[jwheat]

lol I get nearly all my non-local news from the AP, and we all know the AP is just a bastion of far left socialists!

They are certainly liberal. I didn’t call them socialists. There is a difference. Many people would consider me liberal. Many would consider me conservative. I consider you a sheep