First off, let me say that I expect Kentucky to advance tomorrow. Where I am saying Kentucky got screwed is because of Wichita State being a 10 seed. Kentucky shouldn't be having to play a team the caliber of Wichita State in the 2nd round. Wichita is a 4 or 5 seed level of a team. Basically Dayton got screwed and Kentucky got screwed. Once you get to the Sweet 16 seeds are thrown out the window and everything is fair game but a team like Wichita State being off seeded by 5 or 6 seeds affects everybody in their pod. That said, I still think Kentucky will win. But it won't be an easy game.
Kentucky Got Screwed.
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I hear you but if we lose then we get what we deserve. Hopefully they are ready to play to
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
Just reverse Dayton and Wichita St. seeds. Give Dayton the 10 and Wichita the 7, there you go, problem solved and same result.
The other 2 seeds are playing st Mary's, South Carolina, and Michigan. Who would you prefer?
The 1 seeds are playing Wisconsin, michigan state, northwestern, and Arkansas? Who would you prefer?
Seems to me we got one of the weaker 2nd round opponents for a top seed.
The 1 seeds are playing Wisconsin, michigan state, northwestern, and Arkansas? Who would you prefer?
Seems to me we got one of the weaker 2nd round opponents for a top seed.
I think Wichita is better than all those teams you mentioned.
If Witchita State was seeded properly, they would have been in the 6-8 seed line. So its entirely possible they would be our 7 seed. Yes, they have a top 10 kenpom rating but their resume is awful. So the committee couldnt rank them a 5 or above (the top 20 teams) cause they beat nobody this season.
Wichita St is rated higher than all of those above teams. Every single one of them.
We have some Calipari haters (The CLOD) that I'm sure are delighted with the draw. They are no doubt waiting to pounce on an early round exit and rip at Cal and the players. Of course they will dismiss any team that manages to beat us as pathetic just to make Kentucky look worse.
I expect them to be disappointed. I plan to laugh at them.
I expect them to be disappointed. I plan to laugh at them.
I think where they were seeded isn't the problem. Based on the committee's criteria, they were seeded properly.
It's just an example of why that criteria needs re-evaluated.
It's not just Wichita. The NCAA screwed us, them, UCLA and Cincinnati. We're the only team of those 4 in their natural region. All 4 teams had 29 or more wins. So it's likely for all 4, that in order to get to Phoenix they'll have had to beat 3 30+ win teams to get there as long as UNC does what they're supposed to.
Never been done. So in order for UNC to get beat in the E8 they'll be facing a team that will have to do something that's never been done.
Never been done. So in order for UNC to get beat in the E8 they'll be facing a team that will have to do something that's never been done.
You worried about your Cardinals tomorrow? And what are you doing here? What happened to your self-ban?
I think a lot of peoples angst about this seeding comes bc WSU has name value. They have made runs in the past, beat KU, Az, etc. But lets be honest, if you gave Illinois St the exact resume/analytics no one would be concerned.
They have a SOS thats 120. When you put a number like that into Kenpom's algorithm you get funky results, because theres a flaw in the way he adjusts for SOS.
Baker, Early, Van Fleet are not walking through that door.
They have a SOS thats 120. When you put a number like that into Kenpom's algorithm you get funky results, because theres a flaw in the way he adjusts for SOS.
Baker, Early, Van Fleet are not walking through that door.
There might be some truth to that. But look at all the other teams with simlar SOS. They don't automatically have great efficiency numbers.
I don't think any current computer model can fully account for the increase in level of athleticism when you go from playing team number 200 vs. team number 10.
But Wichita knows how to run their stuff. They are disciplined on defense.
I expect this to be comparable to a tough road game in league play. We won most of those, but we had our share of tussles.
Got to cut down stupid mistakes (such as force feeding Bam through a triple team), and fight for every 50-50 ball. Do those 2 things and we will win.
My point about Wichita stems from the fact that they are Top 10 in Kenpom with a SOS in the low 100s. They simply didn't play anybody in the Non-Conference. But I don't think it is because they didn't try to play people. Think about it: If you're a high major is there really incentive to schedule a mid major program like Wichita that can actually beat you and screw up your resume? But my point is you don't win 30 games like Wichita did by accident. And you don't generate Top 10 Kenpom numbers by accident. And you look at Wichita's track record in previous NCAAT. Those factors don't compute to a 10 seed.
I don't disagree. They are much better than their seeding. But we were going to get a tough game this round no matter what.
I agree. You just have to beat the teams in front of you and if you are aspiring to win a National Championship like Kentucky is you are going to have to win 6 straight tough games regardless. But problems in seeding definitely takes a little bit of fairness out of the process especially considering teams work their butts off over 30-35 regular season games to earn their seeding and the benefits that go with it.
You're right. Same thing with being the better seed and playing past midnight, while Dayton/WSU got the early game.
I'm not acting like none of it matters. But there's nothing we can do about it.
As we see, the ncaa tournament is more about teams chemistry, than it is about their talent. Last night, NKU showed why they were a good team. They played together and made some good plays. I thought we were playing an sec team because of the score....but we should be happy. We arent screwed yet.......as the espn people said, wichita st does not have early, vancleef?, and baker....It should be a good game.
Can someone please give me evidence that Wichita is the toughest second round opponent for the one and two seeds? Wichita went 2-3 against the P5 with their two wins being Oklahoma and LSU and they finished with losing records. Their losses are to Oklahoma state who is also a ten seed, Michigan State who UK blew out, and Louisville. The Louisville game was never close by the way nor was Oklahoma state.
I don't care about kenpom or any other computer metric as it plays no role in each individual game. The evidence points that Wichita would likely lose to South Carolina, Michigan, Arkansas, Wisconsin, and Michigan state. Oh also agian they lost to Michigan state.
I don't care about kenpom or any other computer metric as it plays no role in each individual game. The evidence points that Wichita would likely lose to South Carolina, Michigan, Arkansas, Wisconsin, and Michigan state. Oh also agian they lost to Michigan state.
Yeah cause basing things on one game worth of data is always a smart thing to do.
There's a reason Vegas only has us as 3 point favorites.
The Wichita State team I saw yesterday I think we, USC/Carolina, would beat, not sure what so many UK fans are seeing that worries you so much
Can you please read my first post in this thread. Wichita's 2-3 against the P5 is telling in that they would likely not beat any of the P5 teams that the 1's and 2's are playing tomorrow.
Their record and kenpom. However they are 2-3 against the P5 and computer ratings mean nothing in each indivudal game.
Did they not beat P5 because they aren't good or did they not beat P5 teams because they only played 5 of them all year long?
I was of this opinion at the announcement of the brackets as well.
However, as others have said, I am not as upset anymore. Flip Dayton and WSU seeds and u get same result. I am actually happy U.K. Doesn't have to play Michigan or Wisky or an MSU or USC team that is clicking all the sudden.
Doesn't mean we won't lay an egg and get curb stomped while the other teams roll. If U.K. Does lose however, they have only themselves to blame. The second round game to get to Sweet 16 is pretty much always sneaky tough. And most of the other teams have equally sneaky games.
I think this is where we will start seeing major upsets that didn't happen first round. Just hope the Cats are not included in that group.
However, as others have said, I am not as upset anymore. Flip Dayton and WSU seeds and u get same result. I am actually happy U.K. Doesn't have to play Michigan or Wisky or an MSU or USC team that is clicking all the sudden.
Doesn't mean we won't lay an egg and get curb stomped while the other teams roll. If U.K. Does lose however, they have only themselves to blame. The second round game to get to Sweet 16 is pretty much always sneaky tough. And most of the other teams have equally sneaky games.
I think this is where we will start seeing major upsets that didn't happen first round. Just hope the Cats are not included in that group.
Five games is a decent sample, and they went 2-3 with neither win being against a team that even made the post season.
Okay I disagree, and in the end UK has the much better basketball team. The better team doesn't always win but UK should beat Wichita.
There are certainly some Calipari haters and also a bunch of people waiting to give us hell if we lose. I get that. But I'm not a Calipari hater and I'm going to be pretty unhappy if we lose to Wichita State too. Wichita State is just a name but our resume' is better than theirs and it's the NCAA Tournament. We should beat them. We have better players, a better team, a better coach, and they shouldn't beat us. Like someone else said, get to the Sweet 16 and things get pretty tough but we SHOULD beat Wichita State. We're UK, not some mid major school that has a pretty good basketball team.
Those games were in November and December and as others have said, 5 games is not a decent sample size. Think about playing in the SEC or ACC. You have the really good teams and you have the bottom teams. But the bottom line is you have 18 conference games against P5 level competition when you are in the ACC or SEC. Sometimes you play well and get a quality win and other teams you stink it up against a bottom feeder that if an outsider looked just at those one or two or three games they may assume you are overrated.
Look at the Noles: We lost at Georgia Tech and at Pitt who are in the bottom of the ACC and lost at Syracuse who didn't make the field. We also lost to Temple on a Neutral floor in November and Temple has an RPI in the 100s. If you isolated those four games you would think we stink. At the same time the Noles won 13 games against teams that made the NCAA Tournament field. That is why it is a total body of work. Playing 5 games against P5 competition is not enough games to truly evaluate a team's level based only on those 5 games. You have to look at the total 35 game schedule. Wichita dominated their conference. Their opponents were overmatched. But it doesn't mean they aren't better than a lot of the Power 5 teams they might play in the NCAAT. But that is why evaluating the quality Mid Majors for seeding and selection is one of the toughest jobs for the committee.