Kentucky Is Working To Get Drake, Lil Wayne Plus Kanye (Ye) To Lexington In The Future.

[Burly]

Rather him show us 2 new inbounds plays and a match up zone for change of pace
One hedge drill for pick & roll and a drawing charge drill since he hates both but KU & Duke make a living off both

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

First of all I’m not with the “you’re too smart for this ********” gaslighting ********. Secondly, I just spent 5 of the last 6 years in the military living in the panhandle of Florida (3rd most Red district in America), so I’m about as far removed as one can be from whatever the hell this “Leftist network” you speak of is. I haven’t had cable television in over a decade so when people say stuff like “you must watch CNN”…I literally don’t even know what CNN is or what they talk about.

What I said is 100% true. People have been denigrating “black music” for so long and if you don’t believe it’s happened with rap over the decades and still today, you are literally ignoring history and facts. Look up the Luther Campbell/2 Live Crew court case for starters. If you can’t even recognize that rappers face racism, then you are part of the problem. NBA Youngboy was just the target of a federal case called “Never Free Again” and beat the case. The feds spent YOUR tax money to try to put away a black man for life because they didn’t like his music videos. Young Thug and Gunna are currently imprisoned and their lyrics are being used against them as “evidence”. This isn’t happening to white artists, and it isn’t happening to white rappers. It’s not pretty, but acting like there’s not a problem just makes **** worse.

It’s definitely a leftist political play. I am literally having a conversation about music and you’ve objective race into the conversation and even attacked me personally with no evidence or data at all and suggested I’m hating on someone because of nationality and race. That only comes from one part of the spectrum so whether you realize it or not you’re deep in it.

What do you mean things don’t happen to white artist? Rock music has all but died because everyone wants to listen to, well, black style music. You are so out there you can’t even see what’s really going on. You’ve bought into newly made grievances created intended to keep certain people thinking a certain way, and to keep career activist with pay checks. Whether or not you realize this is an entirely different story. We are so far removed from legitimate grievance to do with these topics it scares them to death. That’s why they’ve moved on to things like “women can be cats” and “ salt and pepper is a racist idea”. Think about it dude lol.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

You can see a lot of Wayne in early Drake, some verses sound like Wayne wrote and recorded them and had Drake kinda copy the template. Obviously Drake has branched out since then, he’s hit or miss for me though. Whatever you think about Drake, you have to give the guy credit for how strategic he has been in always keeping his music out there and always in the consciousness of hip hop culture. His last two releases were vomit-inducing garbage though His music seems to be geared toward the 16 and under TikTok audience these days. It’s a winning strategy monetarily no doubt though.

I don’t disagree with much of this at all. I think a lot of the reasons I don’t even like much of the music is because it’s geared toward kids now. The industry has changed it all to make these guys chase dollars over respect.

 

[BigKari]

It’s definitely a leftist political play. I am literally having a conversation about music and you’ve objective race into the conversation and even attacked me personally with no evidence or data at all and suggested I’m hating on someone because of nationality and race. That only comes from one part of the spectrum so whether you realize it or not you’re deep in it.

What do you mean things don’t happen to white artist? Rock music has all but died because everyone wants to listen to, well, black style music. You are so out there you can’t even see what’s really going on. You’ve bought into newly made grievances created intended to keep certain people thinking a certain way, and to keep career activist with pay checks. Whether or not you realize this is an entirely different story. We are so far removed from legitimate grievance to do with these topics it scares them to death. That’s why they’ve moved on to things like “women can be cats” and “ salt and pepper is a racist idea”. Think about it dude lol.

I literally provided you with concrete, real life examples and you are going on like it’s some made up scheme. I’m not following anyones lead on this. I make observations and come to my own conclusions. Im confused what the Leftists political play is, are the leftists the ones locking up rappers for their lyrics so they can say it’s racist? I don’t think so.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

I literally provided you with concrete, real life examples and you are going on like it’s some made up scheme. I’m not following anyones lead on this. I make observations and come to my own conclusions. Im confused what the Leftists political play is, are the leftists the ones locking up rappers for their lyrics so they can say it’s racist? I don’t think so.

You didn’t say anything concrete at all lol.

But You lost me. Locking up rappers? You mean like they did years ago by creating the prison culture and then not passing any sort of prison reform at all? Then who was it that passed the first step act which allowed many incarcerated black men out of prison?

If this is where you’re going I wouldn’t. If you’re talking about rappers discussing breaking the law in a video, well that’s sort of self explanatory. Honestly I’m not following.

 

[willyclyde]

This the new rap thread?

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

This the new rap thread?

Are those Pistachio’s…?

Damn I’d like to have some.

 

[BigKari]

You lost me. Locking up rappers? You mean like they did years ago by creating the prison culture and then not passing any sort of prison reform at all? Then who was it that passed the first step act which allowed many incarcerated black men out of prison?

If this is where you’re going I wouldn’t. If you’re talking about rappers discussing breaking the law in a video, well that’s sort of self explanatory. Honestly I’m not following.

I think we’ve both lost each other. You’re choosing to die on the “racism doesn’t exist” hill, which is a main tenant of the Right wing playbook. Your complaints about rock music losing popularity sounds a lot like the Matt Gaetz brand of white victimhood, and your qualms about people favoring black culture sounds like White replacement theory that’s been mainstreamed by the likes of Tucker Carlson.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

I think we’ve both lost each other. You’re choosing to die on the “racism doesn’t exist” hill, which is a main tenant of the Right wing playbook. Your complaints about rock music losing popularity sounds a lot like the Matt Gaetz brand of white victimhood, and your qualms about people favoring black culture sounds like White replacement theory that’s been mainstreamed by the likes of Tucker Carlson.

It depends on what you mean by “white replacement theory”. Many of the leftist spectrum openly admit they want / prefer less whites. Openly.

They’ve raged for over a decade about demographic “shifting” and how this will cripple their opposition.

Many want to create laws that directly change the landscape of a culture and then utilize the problems that arise from quick settling immigration to Bring about even more changes through legislation.

White leftists believe the less white the country is the easier control will be. I don’t believe that at all and I think the recent data with Hispanics scares the **** out of them.

You want to see the left shut borders down tighter than you ever thought a white cowboy Texas republican could? Let the Mexican vote split down 60/40 republicans. You want to see how nasty they can be toward Black Americans? Let the Black vote shift (like it is currently) 20% towards the right spectrum. They were getting really nasty last cycle when it approached 8%. “Remember you’re black” was a constant theme.

I’m just saying. In my world we shouldn’t be labeling and generalizing. See people for individuals, quit monitoring their thoughts, quit making short sighted implications based on base desires. Then we’ll get somewhere. The left is merely doing what the right did decades ago. We’re just going in circles.

Good talk Kari we’ll meet again I’ll give you the last word even though I’m sure I’ll disagree with it.

 

[BigKari]

It depends on what you mean by “white replacement theory”. Many of the leftist spectrum openly admit they want / prefer less whites. Openly.

They’ve raged for over a decade about demographic “shifting” and how this will cripple their opposition.

Many want to create laws that directly change the landscape of a culture and then utilize the problems that arise from quick settling immigration to Bring about even more changes through legislation.

White leftists believe the less white the country is the easier control will be. I don’t believe that at all and I think the recent data with Hispanics scares the **** out of them.

You want to see the left shut borders down tighter than you ever thought a white cowboy Texas republican could? Let the Mexican vote split down 60/40 republicans. You want to see how nasty they can be toward Black Americans? Let the Black vote shift (like it is currently) 20% towards the right spectrum. They were getting really nasty last cycle when it approached 8%. “Remember you’re black” was a constant theme.

I’m just saying. In my world we shouldn’t be labeling and generalizing. See people for individuals, quit monitoring their thoughts, quit making short sighted implications based on base desires. Then we’ll get somewhere. The left is merely doing what the right did decades ago. We’re just going in circles.

Good talk Kari we’ll meet again I’ll give you the last word even though I’m sure I’ll disagree with it.

Kinda scary if you actually are buying into the white replacement theory ********. White supremacy talking points have really become mainstreamed, and the dark money machine behind that is causing real life harm. And I can’t honestly believe that you think the Right is the side in favor of “seeing people for individuals”. That’s honestly just laughable and what let’s me know that you aren’t serious and you’re playing “The card says ‘Moops’” game.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Kinda scary if you actually are buying into the white replacement theory ********. White supremacy talking points have really become mainstreamed, and the dark money machine behind that is causing real life harm. And I can’t honestly believe that you think the Right is the side in favor of “seeing people for individuals”. That’s honestly just laughable and what let’s me know that you aren’t serious and you’re playing “The card says ‘Moops’” game.

I have to say one more thing. I don’t care about a leftist talking point or a right wing talking point. You saying “white replacement theory” reads like you watched 3 hours of Joy Reed and The View nonsense this morning.

“White replacement theory” IS in and of itself a talking point lol. You’re not getting this at all it seems.

What I told you is the truth. You don’t like the truth because I’m sure you yourself would easily admit if you’re being honest you think less white is a good thing. And that’s my point, it’s racist. Openly racist. And it’s not hidden it’s in plain sight. I believe in around 30 years we’ll be stopping another form of genocide if this stuff continues. History repeats.

And to add one final thought to that because I’m sure this will be nuked (I didn’t start this conversation), anyone with racially mixed children better begin to think about this. If those children marry a person of white complexity, their children will become seen closer to white than not. And the hate that we’re allowing to go unchecked toward one group or another could greatly influence a persons family down the line. Stop hating stop racism - stop genocide. The world can’t seem to understand this. Government controlled public schools what can you do?

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

And to add one final thought to that because I’m sure this will be nuked (I didn’t start this conversation), anyone with racially mixed children better begin to think about this. If those children marry a person of white complexity, their children will become seen closer to white than not. And the hate that we’re allowing to go unchecked toward one group or another could greatly influence a persons family down the line. Stop hating.

 

[bbncal02]

Once again a thread leaves me like….

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

Very relevant. Name a rapper with a more successful 25 year run. You can’t, don’t try.

Easy. Eminem. Best selling rapper of all time. Next question please.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

As I just responded to another poster, when you include mixtapes and features (which you have to), Lil Wayne absolutely blows Eminem out the water in every single metric.

Eminem is the most commercially successful sure, but Wayne did numbers commercially and had the streets on lock. Literally gave gigabytes on gigabytes of free music away. Googling who sold more in an entertainment sector and basing success on that is ridiculous. I guess you believe Michael Bay is a more successful director than Martin Scorcese huh?

Not to mention, Lil Wayne signed and started the careers of 2 rappers on that list, Drake and Nicki Minaj. Success is more than money, what about influence? Eminem brought 50 Cent to the mainstream, but that’s it. Wayne’s influence in the music industry and in hip hop culture far outpaces Eminem.

Album sales is one of the only objective ways to compare musical artists. “Having the streets on lock” is not an objective unit of measurement.

Also, Eminem had a much bigger influence on rap then Wayne. How did Wayne change rap? Who did he expand rap and hip hop to in terms of audience? Because before Dr Dre put Eminem on white people weren’t listening to rap and hip hop.

Eminem brought white people into rap and hip hop audiences by droves. And he’s bar for bar the best rapper in the game. Everyone that challenges his skill or calls him out has had their career destroyed by getting name dropped in one of Em’s diss tracks.

 

[BigKari]

Album sales is one of the only objective ways to compare musical artists. “Having the streets on lock” is not an objective unit of measurement.

Also, Eminem had a much bigger influence on rap then Wayne. How did Wayne change rap? Who did he expand rap and hip hop to in terms of audience? Because before Dr Dre put Eminem on white people weren’t listening to rap and hip hop.

Eminem brought white people into rap and hip hop audiences by droves. And he’s bar for bar the best rapper in the game. Everyone that challenges his skill or calls him out has had their career destroyed by getting name dropped in one of Em’s diss tracks.

I’ve already proven all the ******** you said wrong. Wayne has moved more units than Eminem and it’s not close. You are referring to units tracked by album sales. That is not at all the only relevant measure. You saying that you think Eminem has had more influence than Wayne just shows how ignorant you are to hip hop history and culture. And what exposes that more than anything is that you think white people didn’t listen to rap before Eminem.

 

[BigKari]

I have to say one more thing. I don’t care about a leftist talking point or a right wing talking point. You saying “white replacement theory” reads like you watched 3 hours of Joy Reed and The View nonsense this morning.

“White replacement theory” IS in and of itself a talking point lol. You’re not getting this at all it seems.

What I told you is the truth. You don’t like the truth because I’m sure you yourself would easily admit if you’re being honest you think less white is a good thing. And that’s my point, it’s racist. Openly racist. And it’s not hidden it’s in plain sight. I believe in around 30 years we’ll be stopping another form of genocide if this stuff continues. History repeats.

And to add one final thought to that because I’m sure this will be nuked (I didn’t start this conversation), anyone with racially mixed children better begin to think about this. If those children marry a person of white complexity, their children will become seen closer to white than not. And the hate that we’re allowing to go unchecked toward one group or another could greatly influence a persons family down the line. Stop hating stop racism - stop genocide. The world can’t seem to understand this. Government controlled public schools what can you do?

Again I don’t have cable, so I don’t know who Joy Reed is and I don’t know what The View is. You are at best a white supremacist apologist defending the white replacement theory nonsense. But the fact that you are suggesting that whites might be the victim of genocide tells me all I need to know. White people are not victims, the system is set up for people like us to succeed. That’s a fact. You’re on some John Birch society ******** Morg.

 

[TortElvisII]

Please vote for your most iconic ice cream novelty from this short list:

Drumsticks
Ice cream sandwiches
Push-ups
Klondike bars
Fudge pops
Eskimo pies
Strawberry shortcake bar
Screwball

I need a lot more.

 

[Dig Dirkler]

Please vote for your most iconic ice cream novelty from this short list:

Drumsticks
Ice cream sandwiches
Push-ups
Klondike bars
Fudge pops
Eskimo pies
Strawberry shortcake bar
Screwball

I need a lot more.

Ice cream is systemic white supremacy. All white people are racist. Just like ice cream.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Ice cream is systemic white supremacy. All white people are racist. Just like ice cream.

Not all. Just some.

 

[funKYcat75]

Please vote for your most iconic ice cream novelty from this short list:

Drumsticks
Ice cream sandwiches
Push-ups
Klondike bars
Fudge pops
Eskimo pies
Strawberry shortcake bar
Screwball

I need a lot more.

How dare you leave out the Choco Taco? Have you no respect for the dead?

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

I’ve already proven all the ******** you said wrong. Wayne has moved more units than Eminem and it’s not close. You are referring to units tracked by album sales. That is not at all the only relevant measure. You saying that you think Eminem has had more influence than Wayne just shows how ignorant you are to hip hop history and culture. And what exposes that more than anything is that you think white people didn’t listen to rap before Eminem.

I don’t see the need for the hostility. I thought we were just discussing this, I didn’t know it was so personal for you.

You need proof that Wayne moved more units than eminem. Because from every source I’ve found eminem is #1 and in comparison to Wayne he’s sold/streamed/etc twice as many units as Wayne. And maybe that isn’t the only measuring stick, but it is an important one. And if you want to convince people you need to support your new measuring stick with something thats actually measurable.

And I didn’t just say eminem was #1 with no support like your saying. He’s the top selling rapper of all time. By comparison Wayne only sold 4 million more units than Nikki Minaj… Eminem on the other hand sold over 100 million more than Wayne. And your argument that record sales aren’t indicative of how popular an artist is fallacious. It is indicative of an artists

I would like the quote where I said white people didn’t listen to rap before eminem. Because what I said what white people were listening to rap in droves until eminem and that’s true.

I don’t really understand why you’re coming at me at like that. It doesn’t make your argument any stronger.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

How dare you leave out the Choco Taco? Have you no respect for the dead?

Taco Bell used to have a Chaco Taco I think it was. I used to eat them after I’d smoke and roll to Taco Bell at 1 in the morning.

 

[BigKari]

I don’t see the need for the hostility. I thought we were just discussing this, I didn’t know it was so personal for you.

You need proof that Wayne moved more units than eminem. Because from every source I’ve found eminem is #1 and in comparison to Wayne he’s sold/streamed/etc twice as many units as Wayne. And maybe that isn’t the only measuring stick, but it is an important one. And if you want to convince people you need to support your new measuring stick with something thats actually measurable.

And I didn’t just say eminem was #1 with no support like your saying. He’s the top selling rapper of all time. By comparison Wayne only sold 4 million more units than Nikki Minaj… Eminem on the other hand sold over 100 million more than Wayne. And your argument that record sales aren’t indicative of how popular an artist is fallacious. It is indicative of an artists

I would like the quote where I said white people didn’t listen to rap before eminem. Because what I said what white people were listening to rap in droves until eminem and that’s true.

I don’t really understand why you’re coming at me at like that. It doesn’t make your argument any stronger.

Now you’re saying the opposite of what you said about white people listening to rap, so I can’t keep up with you. Look at units sold from features and look at mixtape downloads then get back to me. As for influence, it’s not even close. Lil Wayne has influenced southern rap for two decades, Eminem doesn’t even have influence in the Detroit rap scene which is huge right now.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

I don’t see the need for the hostility. I thought we were just discussing this, I didn’t know it was so personal for you.

You need proof that Wayne moved more units than eminem. Because from every source I’ve found eminem is #1 and in comparison to Wayne he’s sold/streamed/etc twice as many units as Wayne. And maybe that isn’t the only measuring stick, but it is an important one. And if you want to convince people you need to support your new measuring stick with something thats actually measurable.

And I didn’t just say eminem was #1 with no support like your saying. He’s the top selling rapper of all time. By comparison Wayne only sold 4 million more units than Nikki Minaj… Eminem on the other hand sold over 100 million more than Wayne. And your argument that record sales aren’t indicative of how popular an artist is fallacious. It is indicative of an artists

I would like the quote where I said white people didn’t listen to rap before eminem. Because what I said what white people were listening to rap in droves until eminem and that’s true.

I don’t really understand why you’re coming at me at like that. It doesn’t make your argument any stronger.

I listened to rap way before Eminem. I was listening to the 69 boys and Leon Ivey at single digits. My time with music started just before Eminem. Grew up watching Fresh Prince and BET - had no idea there was this kind of racial animosity.

Eminem means a lot to many guys - guys that didn’t play the traditional role of a white guy before it was cool for a white guy to act like he’s got some swag. Quite frankly I don’t think Some are old enough to fully understand this aspect which isn’t a jab it’s hard to get it when you didn’t live it.

I actually went to school when everyone was dying their hair blonde and drinking vodka. In those days Echo was a “white” snowboarding line that white dudes would wear to look as much like Eminem as acceptable. I’m too dark to have pulled off the Eminem look at that time but I had a ton of white T’s lol.

Lil Wayne changed the fabric of rap because it was easier than the old way. It connected more with Black culture and so more rappers black and they went that route. Eminem changed the culture like it’s never been seen. And you’re right that Eminem is the top of the game. If Eminem were black this wouldn’t even be a debate, which I understand why some are hesitant. It’s a black form of music but really it shouldn’t matter. Eminem is one of a kind, he’s 10 times the “rapper” Wayne is, and nobody will ever come close to doing what he does. It’s not a shot at Wayne, he himself would never claim to be as good as Eminem.

You get every rapper to the side and ask who’d they’d rather be born as talented as, Eminem or Wayne, there’s no chance Wayne even has a fraction of the votes Eminem gets.

I cannot even see a debate here. Tiger is Black but he’s the best golfer of all time. Eminem is White but he is the most talented rapper of all time.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

Now you’re saying the opposite of what you said about white people listening to rap, so I can’t keep up with you. Look at units sold from features and look at mixtape downloads then get back to me. As for influence, it’s not even close. Lil Wayne has influenced southern rap for two decades, Eminem doesn’t even have influence in the Detroit rap scene which is huge right now.

It was a typo. I meant to say “weren’t” instead of “were.” I’m still waiting on that quote. People don’t like featuring eminem because when they do he’s the highlight of the album lol.

You’re right though. It isn’t close. Because eminem has influenced rap across regions for two decades. And to say Em doesn’t have influence on rap, not even in his own hometown is insane.

I will say that in my own social circles that eminem isn’t seen as big of an influence on young black rappers as established black rappers. Leans into what Grom was saying about what if Em was black? But even so Em still gets my pick over Wayne. And I love Wayne.

I listened to rap way before Eminem. I was listening to the 69 boys and Leon Ivey at single digits. My time with music started just before Eminem. Grew up watching Fresh Prince and BET - had no idea there was this kind of racial animosity.

Eminem means a lot to many guys - guys that didn’t play the traditional role of a white guy before it was cool for a white guy to act like he’s got some swag. Quite frankly I don’t think Some are old enough to fully understand this aspect which isn’t a jab it’s hard to get it when you didn’t live it.

I actually went to school when everyone was dying their hair blonde and drinking vodka. In those days Echo was a “white” snowboarding line that white dudes would wear to look as much like Eminem as acceptable. I’m too dark to have pulled off the Eminem look at that time but I had a ton of white T’s lol.

Lil Wayne changed the fabric of rap because it was easier than the old way. It connected more with Black culture and so more rappers black and they went that route. Eminem changed the culture like it’s never been seen. And you’re right that Eminem is the top of the game. If Eminem were black this wouldn’t even be a debate, which I understand why some are hesitant. It’s a black form of music but really it shouldn’t matter. Eminem is one of a kind, he’s 10 times the “rapper” Wayne is, and nobody will ever come close to doing what he does. It’s not a shot at Wayne, he himself would never claim to be as good as Eminem.

You get every rapper to the side and ask who’d they’d rather be born as talented as, Eminem or Wayne, there’s no chance Wayne even has a fraction of the votes Eminem gets.

I cannot even see a debate here. Tiger is Black but he’s the best golfer of all time. Eminem is White but he is the most talented rapper of all time.

I was born in 91 and most of the music my friends and I listened to growing up was classic rock and 90s pop.

I grew in the country and I wasn’t even introduced to rap until junior high. And by then eminem was starting to hit the billboards. Honestly, I couldn’t connect with what a lot of rappers were making music about. I was 13-15 and I just couldn’t connect with songs about the ghetto, hoes, drugs, etc. But when I heard eminem put his life on the album that was different. Also being bullied made me relate more to his stuff.

To set the record straight I definitely understand white listened to rap before Em. But it’s no comparison in how many listened to rap before and after him.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

It was a typo. I meant to say “weren’t” instead of “were.” I’m still waiting on that quote. People don’t like featuring eminem because when they do he’s the highlight of the album lol.

You’re right though. It isn’t close. Because eminem has influenced rap across regions for two decades. And to say Em doesn’t have influence on rap, not even in his own hometown is insane.

I will say that in my own social circles that eminem isn’t seen as big of an influence on young black rappers as established black rappers. Leans into what Grom was saying about what if Em was black? But even so Em still gets my pick over Wayne. And I love Wayne.

I was born in 91 and most of the music my friends and I listened to growing up was classic rock and 90s pop.

I grew in the country and I wasn’t even introduced to rap until junior high. And by then eminem was starting to hit the billboards. Honestly, I couldn’t connect with what a lot of rappers were making music about. I was 13-15 and I just couldn’t connect with songs about the ghetto, hoes, drugs, etc. But when I heard eminem put his life on the album that was different. Also being bullied made me relate more to his stuff.

To set the record straight I definitely understand white listened to rap before Em. But it’s no comparison in how many listened to rap before and after him.

Yea I knew what you meant. I was just agreeing with it. I grew up on rock too, sad what’s happened to it. I still throw in Lane Staley and head out. I’m a blink182 slilverstein type of fan too. Just miss those days.

Eminem definitely set the stage for a culture shift. Agree 100. And when it comes to who’s the best I don’t think being white has anything to do with it. If it did, there would be a long line of white rappers taking the top 10. It’s just Eminem. When some people say his sales are only there because he’s write it makes no sense. There would be a more top selling white artist if that were the case. He’s said as much too, the goat conversation would be over if he was black.