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That's a nice story and all, but way over simplistic. I grew up in eastern Ky and I have seen the coal industry go through huge recessions before Obamacare came along and it didn't decimate the healthcare industry like you presume. There are other ways of paying ones healthcare costs besides insurance. If Obamacare is all that stands between eastern Ky not having healthcare then what sustained it prior to Obamacare when the coal industry went through recessions?

Okay how should one pay for health care cost that can easily run into tens of thousands for simple procedures and short hospital stays without insurance or employment?

Your're right the coal industry has always gone through cycles but regardless it always had a floor level. Well due to Obama Administrations war on coal that floor has given way. Seven thousand plus coal jobs were lost in Kentucky during Obama's tenure. It's estimated that each one of those jobs supported 3 other jobs. So your looking at a fallout of around 28,000 jobs. Unbelievable that you were unaware of that fact.

Since you're against social programs just interested in how you feel about the two largest social entitlements in America, Social Security and Medicare. If we're being honest social security and medicare benefits after retirement age is a form of socialism because it's taking from the working class and giving to retirees. Do you believe we should end those programs?
 
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It would be a hard decision.

He seems like he really loves politics. But he has a huge job he would be leaving, and you could always return but sometimes it's never quite the same.

It would also be extremely difficult to defeat McConnell, and even if you did, it will be difficult for any Democrat to win reelection with a voting record given Kentucky's GOP trend over recent history.

My advice to him, which I will graciously share here, is that he can (and probably is) actually doing more good for Kentucky as a widely popular sports radio host than he would do as 1 of 100 senators, whose solitary vote is very unlikely to tip the scales on much of anything.


This is why I think this is far more to do with ego than anything. Matt is a smart guy. He knows he can impact more lives with what he does with KSR than a Senator. But he wants the ego boost "Senator" comes with.
 

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Are you saying that a program that disburses payments to a payee that contributed to it his/her entire working life is an example of socialism?
 

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I seriously think your diggin to deep man........ dude likes UK and made a blog about it, that blog became popular and his career took off..... as far as him loving "MONEY".... how is that different from any of us??? Aint that what we all work for???? He talks crap about UL because isn't that what all UK fans do??? Why is he supposed to be different??? Cracks me up when people hate on him for going to duke.... Was he not supposed to go to school a prestigious law school??? I didnt go to UK.... I went to a tech school in Louisville..... whats that got to do with my being a fan of UK... it was the best path for me... but what ever... I aint gonna argue about it..... if he dont like the things that are happening to him than he needs to decide and move on...



I can agree with everything you said pretty much. I just don't think he is as big a Uk fan as he let's on. That's really all I meant. His show during the season is pretty good for most of the time. I'm not hating on him for going to dUKe per say, but I know several people who waited a couple years to get into programs at UK rather than start immediately at UofL. If you don't think like I do it's fine. I just think he came around the perfect storm and saw the opportunity and more importantly - seized that opportunity - and has made a very good life. Kuddos to him
 
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September 10. He didn’t even need to file this but he probably got bad advice because it’s hoodie boy amateur hour.

I really doubt iHeart would have taken him off the air if they didn’t have real concerns. These media companies have armies of lawyers because being threatened with legal action is a daily occurrence for them.

So what was WLEX's reason as they removed him in August before he filed the exploratory committee papers?
Why did they wait 6 weeks after he filed to remove him? It's not like it was a secret.

Anybody can sue anyone for anything. McConnell has deep pockets and political pull and could make trouble that iHeart wants to avoid especially since they have just in the last week emerged from bankruptcy.
 

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LMAOOO you really got that pissed off over some ********. Try not to beat your wife you bumpkin POS. Mentally weak hoe can't contain his anger.
[roll]
I bet I know more about Abigale than you know about my wife. Keep talking all big behind your keyboard, typical POG.
 

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I can agree with everything you said pretty much. I just don't think he is as big a Uk fan as he let's on. That's really all I meant. His show during the season is pretty good for most of the time. I'm not hating on him for going to dUKe per say, but I know several people who waited a couple years to get into programs at UK rather than start immediately at UofL. If you don't think like I do it's fine. I just think he came around the perfect storm and saw the opportunity and more importantly - seized that opportunity - and has made a very good life. Kuddos to him
Yeah I agree and I’ve heard him even admit that he just so happened to start a blog when blogs were all the rage. He acknowledged that. I think he’s a true BBN guy. He’s spoken many times about how his grandpa got him into watching the cats play. I mean, cmon, how many of us were brought into the BBN the same way or similar. My mom and uncle were Big cats fans. That’s were I learned it from.
 

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Personally I don't toe the line for any one party. My views on most things tend to lean conservative but I know social welfare programs are something that are necessary in some cases and in some states. For instance Obamacare. Kentucky is a very poor state. You take Obamacare away and most medical services would dry up in rural areas.
Absolutely false. Medical services are drying primarily because of Obamacare.
 

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Yeah I agree and I’ve heard him even admit that he just so happened to start a blog when blogs were all the rage. He acknowledged that. I think he’s a true BBN guy. He’s spoken many times about how his grandpa got him into watching the cats play. I mean, cmon, how many of us were brought into the BBN the same way or similar. My mom and uncle were Big cats fans. That’s were I learned it from.


I've met him a few times and talked with him and he just doesn't come across as a real UK fan. People can say I remember listening with my granddad but there's just something in the way he talks when asked about certain things. On the radio he readily has every bit of information in front of him to sound like he knows UK's history inside and out. I just don't buy it is all
 

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I've met him a few times and talked with him and he just doesn't come across as a real UK fan. People can say I remember listening with my granddad but there's just something in the way he talks when asked about certain things. On the radio he readily has every bit of information in front of him to sound like he knows UK's history inside and out. I just don't buy it is all
Meh ok. Obviously we won’t agree and that’s cool. Seems like a regular dude/UK fan to me. I talked to him in New Orleans at the SEC tourney. Seemed fine then.
 

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No its really not. The fact both parties have shut him down shows he is breaking rules set forth when running for political office. Those rules are there for a reason and need to be followed as such. Jones doesnt get to cry because he broke the rules and got called on it. Liberals dont care much for rules and laws though unless it benefits them...

nope. The fact that both parties are doing it is even worse, but it doesn’t change the concept of free speech. “Rules” regulating speech are inherently suspect, and you shouldn’t accept them just because our overlords put them in place.
 

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I think I might have found something everyone can agree on based on this thread.

Matt Bevin and Matt Jones both come across as jerks.
 

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nope. The fact that both parties are doing it is even worse, but it doesn’t change the concept of free speech. “Rules” regulating speech are inherently suspect, and you shouldn’t accept them just because our overlords put them in place.


It's not a black and white issue. Matt Jones can say whatever he wants, there are however rules as to where and what platform to use especially with him campaigning for office. Those rules about corporations not funding candidates off the books are there for VERY good reason.

I cannot go into my job and start campaigning or just saying whatever I like. I'd get fired in less than 5 minutes. Free speech doesnt give you blanket freedom to do whatever you want.
 
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Jones is clearly pretty smart, but this kind of rookie mistake is why Mitch would likely wipe the floor with him. He’s unsophisticated in these kinds of waters, and pretty clearly undisciplined. His tag line is about running his business in the most ridiculous manner possible, after all. I suppose he has a puncher’s chance - Mitch fatigue plus Jones benefitting from some sort of UK affiliation-fueled thing that just catches fire and begins to roll....I guess it’s possible. But most likely he quickly reveals himself to be an amateur, the Dems immediately regret nominating him, and he gets gutted......
 
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So what was WLEX's reason as they removed him in August before he filed the exploratory committee papers?
Why did they wait 6 weeks after he filed to remove him? It's not like it was a secret.

Anybody can sue anyone for anything. McConnell has deep pockets and political pull and could make trouble that iHeart wants to avoid especially since they have just in the last week emerged from bankruptcy.
I don’t think anyone threatened him with legal action or an FEC complaint with regard to Hey Kentucky. It was a simple matter of media ethics that you shouldn’t have someone hosting a largely political talk show while openly contemplating a run for office. Especially if he’s given to taking pot shots at potential opponents.
 
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It's not a black and white issue. Matt Jones can say whatever he wants, there are however rules as to where and what platform to use especially with him campaigning for office. Those rules about corporations not funding candidates off the books are there for VERY good reason.

I cannot go into my job and start campaigning or just saying whatever I like. I'd get fired in less than 5 minutes. Free speech doesnt give you blanket freedom to do whatever you want.

I just don’t believe in government regulation of free speech. Full stop. For this example, first he is not a candidate and was not using his platform to promote a political candidate. Second, even if he was, I don’t believe the government gets to dictate this so-called “fairness doctrine,” as that is unconstitutional on its face (despite any SCOTUS precedent). Like I said, you either believe in free speech or you don’t.
(Btw i am a constitutional conservative - the opposite of MJ <- this doesn’t, and shouldn’t matter).
 

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As we worry about whether or not Jones gets to talk politics on his IHeart radio show keep one thing in mind.

The Kentucky Senate race is the most important one in America because it involves the Majority Leader. McConnell will work with President Trump the next four or five years in filling vacancies in the courts. The administration with the help of McConnell can change our courts for a generation and get rid of activist who think the Constitution is just another rag authored by rich, white men,, racist who founded this nation.

We can not allow that to happen and we know if Matt Jones was in the senate he would be in the crowd blocking Trump's judicial nominees. Don't let that happen Kentucky. Swallow your hatred for McConnell and send him back to the Senate one more time. Once he has the judges in place with lifetime appointments you can bring him back. But not now. He has one final job to do, a job that will change our judicial system. Don't blow it for an inexperienced UK sports show host whose allegiance is to Schumer, Pelosi, The Clintons and Obama.
 

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hell Matt Jones can not even beat Amy McGrath let alone Mitch. Mitch could care less about Matt Jones

This is a fact. Jones does not want to run. The Dem Party does not want him to run. Amy McGrath does not want to spend any money running on a primary opponent. Jones could not raise money. Mitch would love to bait Jones into the race.

Matt promotes Matt. Nothing wrong with that, but we should not pretend otherwise.

I read the LHL story and the author described a race between Jones and McConnell as a “heavy weight battle.” How do you write that with a straight face?
 

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This is a fact. Jones does not want to run. The Dem Party does not want him to run. Amy McGrath does not want to spend any money running on a primary opponent. Jones could not raise money. Mitch would love to bait Jones into the race.

Matt promotes Matt. Nothing wrong with that, but we should not pretend otherwise.

I read the LHL story and the author described a race between Jones and McConnell as a “heavy weight battle.” How do you write that with a straight face?
As an outsider looking in I always thought it was strange Jones was "running" against McConnell when he opponent at present is McGrath. He has been putting the cart before the horse for over a year which tells me this is all a publicity stunt. He knows he will never face McConnell in a senate race.
 
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I just don’t believe in government regulation of free speech. Full stop. For this example, first he is not a candidate and was not using his platform to promote a political candidate. Second, even if he was, I don’t believe the government gets to dictate this so-called “fairness doctrine,” as that is unconstitutional on its face (despite any SCOTUS precedent). Like I said, you either believe in free speech or you don’t.
(Btw i am a constitutional conservative - the opposite of MJ <- this doesn’t, and shouldn’t matter).


I think the thing you are unable to see here is the fact that this isnt even a free speech issue. It's a campaign finance issue. He is without question using his show to promote his campaign and anyone that doesnt see that is just being disingenuous. So now the issue becomes who is paying for it? Its not Jones himself, so campaign finance law comes into play.
 

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As an outsider looking in I always thought it was strange Jones was "running" against McConnell when he opponent at present is McGrath. He has been putting the cart before the horse for over a year which tells me this is all a publicity stunt. He knows he will never face McConnell in a senate race.

it is a publicity stunt. He has made a business of marketing himself and his small group. This is more of the same. Sell a book. Increase his image. He probably thinks he is also doing good. Sell a book. Try to bring down Mitch. Make money. It’s probably a really solid business plan. I suspect there are people all around the continent that will read a hit piece on Mitch.
 
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I think the thing you are unable to see here is the fact that this isnt even a free speech issue. It's a campaign finance issue. He is without question using his show to promote his campaign and anyone that doesnt see that is just being disingenuous. So now the issue becomes who is paying for it? Its not Jones himself, so campaign finance law comes into play.

Wrong on both counts. First, he doesn’t promote his campaign on his show. You clearly don’t listen to it if you think so. Second, free speech is directly at the heart of campaign finance law! Ever heard of the Citizens United case?
 
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Okay how should one pay for health care cost that can easily run into tens of thousands for simple procedures and short hospital stays without insurance or employment?

Your're right the coal industry has always gone through cycles but regardless it always had a floor level. Well due to Obama Administrations war on coal that floor has given way. Seven thousand plus coal jobs were lost in Kentucky during Obama's tenure. It's estimated that each one of those jobs supported 3 other jobs. So your looking at a fallout of around 28,000 jobs. Unbelievable that you were unaware of that fact.

Since you're against social programs just interested in how you feel about the two largest social entitlements in America, Social Security and Medicare. If we're being honest social security and medicare benefits after retirement age is a form of socialism because it's taking from the working class and giving to retirees. Do you believe we should end those programs?
To presume I am not aware of the war on coal says more about you than me. To be clear though, natural gas prices had a much larger impact on the coal industry than the war on coal did.

I don’t believe the federal government should have the authority to force people to save for retirement. I also don’t believe they have a role in healthcare. If government is to be involved in those aspects of life it should be at the state or local level, but definitely not at the federal level.
 

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As we worry about whether or not Jones gets to talk politics on his IHeart radio show keep one thing in mind.

The Kentucky Senate race is the most important one in America because it involves the Majority Leader. McConnell will work with President Trump the next four or five years in filling vacancies in the courts. The administration with the help of McConnell can change our courts for a generation and get rid of activist who think the Constitution is just another rag authored by rich, white men,, racist who founded this nation.

We can not allow that to happen and we know if Matt Jones was in the senate he would be in the crowd blocking Trump's judicial nominees. Don't let that happen Kentucky. Swallow your hatred for McConnell and send him back to the Senate one more time. Once he has the judges in place with lifetime appointments you can bring him back. But not now. He has one final job to do, a job that will change our judicial system. Don't blow it for an inexperienced UK sports show host whose allegiance is to Schumer, Pelosi, The Clintons and Obama.
Lol. Were you crying when you typed this? Good Lord.
 

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Wrong on both counts. First, he doesn’t promote his campaign on his show. You clearly don’t listen to it if you think so. Second, free speech is directly at the heart of campaign finance law! Ever heard of the Citizens United case?
This. If you say his show is political then you don't listen. But what bothers me is he has had this show 10+ years. It's not like he started the show 6 months ago so he could pump himself up.
 
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I read the LHL story and the author described a race between Jones and McConnell as a “heavy weight battle.” How do you write that with a straight face?

Actually that’s true...because it will be a “heavy weight battle” no matter who is running against Cocaine Mitch. The Dems will pour a ton of national money into that race. In terms of national money spent, national media coverage, and consequences of outcome...it will most certainly be a heavy weight battle...regardless of who the Dem candidate is.
 

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Actually that’s true...because it will be a “heavy weight battle” no matter who is running against Cocaine Mitch. The Dems will pour a ton of national money into that race. In terms of national money spent, national media coverage, and consequences of outcome...it will most certainly be a heavy weight battle...regardless of who the Dem candidate is.

it won’t be heavy weight candidates. It will be an expensive race. Not the same thing.
 

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Actually that’s true...because it will be a “heavy weight battle” no matter who is running against Cocaine Mitch. The Dems will pour a ton of national money into that race. In terms of national money spent, national media coverage, and consequences of outcome...it will most certainly be a heavy weight battle...regardless of who the Dem candidate is.
The more money they spin the better the *** kicking will feel., I hope they spend $100 million. Nothings feels better in politics than to see liberal, elite Hollywood and billionaires like George Soros waste their money on a loser. Spend that money and boost the Kentucky economy as you re-elect Mitch and help him push through conservative judges. That is the most important thing Mitch will do the next 5 years
 
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Wrong on both counts. First, he doesn’t promote his campaign on his show. You clearly don’t listen to it if you think so. Second, free speech is directly at the heart of campaign finance law! Ever heard of the Citizens United case?
He does not promote his campaign, but there are many veiled references to running. Lots of talk about Mitch and his disdain for him (obviously a possible opponent). If he would simply say he is not running, then he could chatter about such things without having problems. However, since he has indicated he is considering a run, his comments can be construed as campaign comments. All he has to do is say which way he is going.
 

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Of course he would. He has invested large sums of money toward the goal of shutting down coal plants. You can't get a more biased point of view than that. And in spite of that, the very article you linked says low natural gas prices has caused a lot of closures. I have worked on regulatory side of the industry for over 30 years. I can assure you that most of the shuttering of coal plants is because coal is not competitive with combined cycle gas generation.
 
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The more money they spin the better the *** kicking will feel., I hope they spend $100 million. Nothings feels better in politics than to see liberal, elite Hollywood and billionaires like George Soros waste their money on a loser. Spend that money and boost the Kentucky economy as you re-elect Mitch and help him push through conservative judges. That is the most important thing Mitch will do the next 5 years
For all the good stuff Mitch and Trump can do, the absolute most important to me is placement of judges. If Ginsberg leaves her seat, Trump can fill it with another strong judge. Maybe, if we're lucky, more from the wrong thinking side will vacate. A SCOTUS seat is the gift that keeps on giving.
 

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Of course he would. He has invested large sums of money toward the goal of shutting down coal plants. You can't get a more biased point of view than that. And in spite of that, the very article you linked says low natural gas prices has caused a lot of closures. I have worked on regulatory side of the industry for over 30 years. I can assure you that most of the shuttering of coal plants is because coal is not competitive with combined cycle gas generation.

The whole point of the article was Bloomberg taking pride in his and his various environmentalist groups direct hand in getting numerous power plants closed. Natural Gas gave the anti-coal environmentalist a means to an end. Without natural gas they could not have done what they did. Having said that It's asinine to think politics did not have anything to do with the dozens of coal power plants being shuttered during Obama's tenure. Trump has reversed a lot of the anti coal legislation but the damage has already been done.
 
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The whole point of the article was Bloomberg taking pride in his and his various environmentalist groups direct hand in getting numerous power plants closed. Natural Gas gave the anti-coal environmentalist a means to an end. Without natural gas they could not have done what they did. Having said that It's asinine to think politics did not have anything to do with the dozens of coal power plants being shuttered during Obama's tenure. Trump has reversed a lot of the anti coal legislation but the damage has already been done.

Obama’s policies didn’t help, but gas is killing coal plants. A coal plant isn’t very flexible, it takes along time to start one up if goes offline, it’s hard on them starting up and shutting down, causes tube weakening in boiler.

A gas plant can start up and shut down in a matter of minutes, with a fraction of the people. As long as Natural gas is cheap and plentiful, coal is going to have a tough row to hoe.
 

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The whole point of the article was Bloomberg taking pride in his and his various environmentalist groups direct hand in getting numerous power plants closed. Natural Gas gave the anti-coal environmentalist a means to an end. Without natural gas they could not have done what they did. Having said that It's asinine to think politics did not have anything to do with the dozens of coal power plants being shuttered during Obama's tenure. Trump has reversed a lot of the anti coal legislation but the damage has already been done.
I never said Obama's policies didn't impact coal. I said the majority of the impact on coal is from low natural gas prices. Commissions require least cost planning on the part of utility companies. That means they are required to plan and install capacity that is projected to provide the least cost to consumers over the life of the plant. Currently, combined cycle gas capacity is a lower overall cost than coal. That is why so many coal plants have been shuttered.
 

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Jones or McGrath gonna get us legal weed? We know McConnell is a no.

(I know the answer. We’ll hold out forever because faux moral superiority)
 
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