It really often seems like Schiano is conceding defeat in games early and just trying to minimize the point differential.
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Agreed. That's the infuriating part.. our play calling gives the very strong impression that we don't want to try to win it.
You seriously think our head coach is trying to lose, just not by a lot?
Or maybe he's doing exactly what he has said he wants to do. Stay in the game against elite teams in the fourth quarter to give us a chance to win.
We don't have an explosive offense. We don't have a single all conference player on offense besides Monangai. We have a very good defense. Turnovers are killers especially against elite teams. He wants to minimize them and use his running game to tire out opposing defenses. This is how Iowa and Wisconsin have been top 25 teams for years despite not recruiting at elite levels.
We ain’t beating PSU unless Gavin is the MVP…. Period.
We can beat the also-rans we have, without Gavin being the MVP.
We haven’t scored in weeks.
Do you honestly think we can beat a team like PSU 6 to 3
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Or Monangai. Who would have a much better chance considering he's a much better football player.
In fact if our head coach put the ball in the hands of Gavin Wimsatt and told him to win the game for us with his arm I'd want that coach fired. He's not that player right now. Not even close.
We haven’t scored in weeks… try again.
Put Gavin is positions and situations to be successful.
Then Kyle will be more successful also
3rd and 8 after two one yard runs is not a situation where Gavin will have success, given our receivers and O Line
The fact we have no punting game from our own territory is also a huge factor, you can’t just go 3 and out in an effort to protect the ball with 30 yard end of end low punts the norm.
It's the other way around. Gavin looks much better when the defense over plays to stop the run. There's not a single opponent we're facing who's primary objective is to stop Wimsatt. They want to stop Monangai because he's by far our best offensive player.
Because our QB his receivers aren't good enough yet to win us the game. Like I said before. If Wimsatt throws the ball 30 times then we lose by 40. Monangai ran for 150 yards against Ohio State, even when the box was stacked.
Yes it does seem like he's not trying to win sometimes. That or that he simply doesn't understand that playing it ultra-safe is not a way to upset better teams. And we know this because Schiano never upsets better teams.
As for Iowa, if they were in the Big Ten East they would never sniff the Top 25 with their brand of offense. Even in their best years they don't fare well against OSU/UM/PSU. Wisconsin, when it's good, does not necessarily grind down better teams with their running game. They actually have explosive running plays that can score early in the game as well as later. If you're going to stake everything on the run, it better be a dynamic and sometimes deceptive run game.
Run the ball with our all conference RB and Gavin. Control the clock and TOP. Play agressive swarming defense.
What would your strategy be
sounds like another loss to a potent Maryland offense.
If we were Re-playing Indiana, Northwestern or MSU again, I’d I agree with you
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Maryland is going to sell out to stop the run, especially deep in our territory because our punter only kicks it 30 yards in the air…. With their offense those are short fields.
They have to allow Gavin to throw on 1st down…7 yard. quick outs and slants.
You can run twice from 2nd and 3.
Let Gavin pull the ball out and run against the flow like Indiana.
3rd and 7 you can’t just give them the ball with 8 in the box, throw it.
Do it early and often, yiu can run out the clock in 4th quarter if you have the lead and their defense is giving up chunks on the ground.
Stop playing to keep it close, Marylands QB and offense will score, we have to keep up.
Strong did look pretty good today.
We need to give Monangai some blocking and also throw on non-throwing downs.
Oh...and stop giving the other team the ball on turnovers.
Who is talking about OSU?
Today he ran for 39 yards.
Isn't this exactly what you just said?
Overplaying the run and Gvin could be more successful?
Sounds like you agree today would have been a great time to put it on Gavins arm more.
Why do you keep resisting what you keep saying?
If you refuse to answer what our strength was then stop asking others.
It was our passing game today.
What do you think it was?
Absolutely! With the rule changes on the clock this year and possessions already being limited. He knows his Defense numbers will look better all be it inflated because of these rules changes and his unwillingness to ever try to be aggressive. Bleeding the clock does keep them in games for a bit but ultimately not trying to score is a losing philosophy. Sure it will look close for a bit but you truly never had or gave yourself a shot to win.
All this chatter about improving is ppl not understanding context. Who did we play , when did we play them and what is contributing to this “improvement “
Schedule
Lack of head coaches - 2 missing- yes NW playing better but we got them for his first game
D2 school win : who cares
Horrific big ten west (embarrassing and don’t come with Iowa because they are just beating bad big ten west teams ).
Clock and rule changes - allows for less possessions and contributes to defense numbers being up across all college football. 2 less possessions year over year. Add those back in and are we really much better? Especially since they would be late in games when are D is tired and getting gashed
Bleed the clock to keep scores close limiting point differential
Post makes perfect sense.
We are not defeating PSU unless Gavin is our best player that day
Year 4 and we still have no offense. Even paying our OC $1.4 million for Pop Warner offense.
This is the same KC we had the first time.
I have never seen a team so content on playing to keep it close. They didn't even try to get creative or have any urgency. Seemed content on running the same 4 or 5 plays and keep the clock running. It was like they weren't even trying to win. It was a two possession game in the fourth quarter and if you had just turned on the game you would have thought Rutgers was winning and trying to run out the clock. You are a three score underdog why not try something to break a big play. They played to protect the field goal in the red zone. It honestly looked like the game plan was to run out the clock and not embarrass yourself. The game felt like it was over when it was 10-3 because you know all Ru would do was run up the middle and play for the punt.
Rutgers has improved greatly but if they don't change the offensive style the ceiling is pretty much 7-5.
And that right there is the heart of why I didn't want Schiano as coach. I've seen this movie SO SO SO MANY times for years, and I'm seeing it again. It's hard to believe he doesn't want to win these games but he sure doesn't seem like he feels urgency to win--and he never, ever does get the victory. And so his ceiling is roughly 7 and 5.
The team has scored more than 28 points against just one Big Ten team this year, Indiana, the worst one, and one other P5 team, Virginia Tech. It stands to reason that if we stick to the usual offensive game plan we'll probably lose if Maryland is able to put up 28.
We didn't do anything effectively on offense. Gavin threw for 130 yards and two turnovers on drop backs. And it wasn't even Gavin's fault, he played fine, our OLine as getting beat every single play.
Yeah. That was the worst our O-line has looked all year. Our tackles were too slow-moving to effectively deal with Pedd State's outside pass rushers for sure.
GW would have been killed if we had passed more.
It’s also when you pass! First second downs get under center and use the play action and screens to slow the pass rush . Help your o line Kirk. When you throw on 3rd and long everyone knows and the ends Lin their ears back and attacks. O line out in bad situations. Gavin stop leaning back on throws if we know what your doing I guarantee the defense knows. Help your self and the line.
Be honest can you sit on your couch and pre snap know what we’re doing 95 percent of the time?? We are knot coaches but if we know then are offense has no chance
Jesus, I've been saying that for so long. You've got to mix it up. Misdirections, counters, screens, etc, mixed in with quick hitters, play action, passes etc. As you say Zap keep them off balance & guessing.
A few in this thread have said how this schedule has been so much easier.
You all need to show your work- I don't see it.
You all need to show your work- I don't see it.
It's top heavy as always. We pretty much always play 2-3 teams in the hunt for the cfb playoffs and tend to always get at least one ranked team from the West on our schedule.