Was that doctrines like caring for your fellow man or doctrines on how to redistribute wealth. Cause it seems to me like these doctrines you speak of always include someone knowing how to spend someone else's money better than the persons who make it!
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The Koch's have given BILLIONS of dollars to many worthwhile causes. Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, their employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. Deal with it.
It was obviously looking at past contributions. The Koch brothers have been the boogyman to liberals everywhere for the past few years while the people in the media and liberals ranting about them conveniently leave out all the people who actually give more to "buy elections" (you mean politicians) from them.
The substance of what I"m saying stands. You are crazy if you actually think they are worse than the Clintons. Absolutely, positively nuts and it proves you are also biased depending on the letter behind the name of where the money is going to.
The substance of what I"m saying stands. You are crazy if you actually think they are worse than the Clintons. Absolutely, positively nuts and it proves you are also biased depending on the letter behind the name of where the money is going to.
But born'n'bred and his cronies don't like how that money is being spent, so they need to elect people to take control of it and redistribute and spend it as they please because those people are not being the liberal version of responsible with the money they earned.
The liberal version includes building the government by making it a 3rd party to every single transaction human man will ever go through so they can lay around and get loaded off the backs of americans and laugh it up with their fact cat donors who they protect again and again.
Maybe born'n'bred can help higher learning by asking those generous clintons to speak at his favorite college. Don't forget the 250k speaking fee for those kind, hardworking souls the clintons.
I'll ask Rush to do it for free and get a hell of a lot more sense.
I'm done here. Makes my blood boil to see people actually being duped by our media and the clinton crime foundation.
Groce was the man but before this thread gets locked I'll just state good memories sprouting from guys named Newcombe and Fullman too. Glad to have DPE aboard now.
I think we can just avoid all war profiteering. That seems like a category we can ban.
I don't know if this is the one, but in this chart, if you look at the top 50 political donors nationally, Dems get more money than Repubs do. The Koch brothers aren't the problem in politics. Money, no matter which side is the problem in politics.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php?view=sp&type=src
I agree 100% that all big money in politics needs to go. Money is not speech. The billionaire should have no more access or influence with a congressman than a homeless person. If Dems get more money, why is it that the only politicians in our country calling for an end to big money and Citizen's United are Dems? The Republican 5 on the Supreme Court would not have ruled the way it did if Dems benefitted more from big money. That is a fact. I take that back, Trump is calling for an end to big money. I just don't count him as a Dem or a Republican. He is his own party.
Red, you seem to have a problem with corps donating to our political process. I'm curious what your feelings are concerning unions donating to the political process. I don't remember hearing many Dems calling for an end to unions donating.
Within your link I found the below stats for the 2016 cycle:
It shows the staggering amount of money coming from so few. It seems to show that for 2016 so far Republican PACs are at $222 million vs $39 million for Dems. Correct me if I am reading it wrong.
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/donor_stats.php
It is hysterical when Republicans compare the donation made by two men like the Koch brothers to the collective donations given by 100s of thousands, if not millions of individual wage earners who simply want their piece of the pie. That argument has no intellectual standing whatsoever. It is straight off of Fox News.
Here are some additional stats concerning organization contributions. It appears a staggering amount of money is coming from a few organizations and virtually all going to Dems.
LOL, your kidding me right.....you really believe Union donations are contributed at the behest of 100's of thousands or millions of individuals and not at the whims of a very few union bosses? That is simply the most nieve of statements I've read on board. Unions donate billions each political cycle and the vast majority is given to the democrats. if you want to eliminate big money from our elections it has to start with the unions
Additionally, to say that unions money is donated by members to support candidates (or get their piece of the pie) and not taken from members to support candidates (regardless of their political beliefs) shows how uniformed you are on the subject.
There are no words to explain how wrong that statement is. That was even WAY beyond Fox News. The millions of union members happily give money to be used to help them compete in bargaining for fair wages and benefits for their multi-millions of dependents. Democratic politicians exclusively agree with protecting workers' rights for collective bargaining. Republicans exclusively want to scrap workers' rights. That is fact. So, why would any union member give a dime to the party who wants to abolish unions? The two individual Koch brothers are giving billions to benefit......the two Koch brothers. Hmmmmmmm.......which is the greater good for society? Millions of people having money and spending it boosts the economy. Hundreds of people having all the money kills the economy. That is Economics 101. I got an A+ in the class at UNL.
Whole lotta butthurt in this thread.
On the one hand, Soros and Hollywood and Clinton and the Unions spend their billions and people gripe
On the other a couple of rich old white guys spend their money and people gripe.
All of the butthurt over an advertisement. People in this country have become so easily offended that it is flat out ridiculous.
I am outraged at your outrage.
All sides are corrupt. The Holier than Thou liberals are just as bad as the Holier than Thou conservatives. To think otherwise is to be a fool
How about sticking to football and just enjoying the damn win without all of the butthurt and offense. No one has ever changed anyones mind in a poltical thread here. No one ever will. Its football dammit.
On the one hand, Soros and Hollywood and Clinton and the Unions spend their billions and people gripe
On the other a couple of rich old white guys spend their money and people gripe.
All of the butthurt over an advertisement. People in this country have become so easily offended that it is flat out ridiculous.
I am outraged at your outrage.
All sides are corrupt. The Holier than Thou liberals are just as bad as the Holier than Thou conservatives. To think otherwise is to be a fool
How about sticking to football and just enjoying the damn win without all of the butthurt and offense. No one has ever changed anyones mind in a poltical thread here. No one ever will. Its football dammit.
It has been a reasonable conversation which has not degenerated into something ugly, which is why it has been allowed to continue. Reasonable people are allowed to disagree in Amurica. It appears as though you are the only one who is butthurt over the conversation. It was also allowed because the topic was due to an ad at the football game, which makes this totally a football topic. Everyone's opinions are based on their personal life circumstances. A business owner will differ in tax opinion than will a union member. That is why we vote in a democracy.....and we accept the outcome and wait for the next election. God Bless Amurica!
Sorry, didn't realize until this post that I was being trolled!
Why do peope insist use the term "Amurica". It sounds ignorant. Did you get also an A in geography? I dont recall ever seeing Amurica listed on any map. Liberal or Conservative, respect the nation that has given us all so much.
I am not butthurt. Quite the contrary. As I said, both sides are equally corrupt in their own way. Very few people are open minded enough to see that. Neither side is morally, economically, or politically right on 100 percent of issues.
You obviously see your point of view as the only correct one. Now who is intolerant?
I am not butthurt. Quite the contrary. As I said, both sides are equally corrupt in their own way. Very few people are open minded enough to see that. Neither side is morally, economically, or politically right on 100 percent of issues.
You obviously see your point of view as the only correct one. Now who is intolerant?
I admit that I use Amurica mockingly since that is how so many brainiac Tea Party folks pronounce it....as they go about voting 99% against their best economic interests. As long as their politicians are pro-gun and anti-gay, that is all that matters in their world.
I am not a liberal, but I do hate politics. It's a very bad decision to take money from the Koch Brothers. NU football cannot chose sides, but if they do that will just be another way that current administration has damaged Husker football.Dang...is there anywhere we can go without liberals displaying their intolerance of everything they disagree with...THIS IS A FOOTBALL BOARD NOT A POLITICAL ONE.
I love that this 'decent conversation' turned ugly concept...looking past the fact that humans were called a cancer ...yeah, THAT was pretty fair.
Might I recommend Bernard Goldberg's book BIAS to the crowd here? Card carrying democrat...great read!
Might I recommend Bernard Goldberg's book BIAS to the crowd here? Card carrying democrat...great read!
The label cancer has been used pretty liberally on this board the last few weeks, about college athletes who've got more invested in the program than any person on this board. That's pathetic.
sigh..born, you do realize that in order to take a job, millions of those union members HAVE to give a percentage of their paychecks to the unions whether they want to or not, right? That's theft. And do you really think all of them agree with, or even KNOW that, their money is going to democrat candidates? That is just as bad as any ponzi scheme. Again, the koch brothers at least EARN their money instead of forcing it away from others.
How can you be so obtuse?
How can you be so obtuse?
I do profess to not know about the ongoings of every single union in the country, but all the unions I have been in and the union my wife is in are 100% voluntary. You do not have to give a penny, and you still receive the benefits of the union's collective bargaining. Your statement once again proves that Fox News has gotten so many to believe all the lies. The size of the middle class in our nation has dropped at nearly the same exact rate as the percentage of union members has. Without power, it is an undeniable truth that the business owners/government will give you as little as they can possibly get away with. Throughout US history union wages have been strong and that has had the direct affect of propping up non-union wages as well, in order to compete for workers. The lessening impact of unions, thank to Republican legislation, the last couple decades has thus affected the decline of ALL wages in this country, which is why the top 1% has received 95% of the monies from the recovery for the recession. People used to get 4%-5% wage increases annually. Now folks are lucky to get 1.5%-2%, which is pitiful.
Red you grasp of economics and knowledge of unions is astounding. First all unions are voluntary in theory but if you think they truly are try working in a union shop without being a member. It's not generally a pleasant experience and not conducive to promotion in any way. It's arguable that unions have been beneficial in maintaining a strong wage though it's equally likely that those strong wages are responsible for so much American Industry moving over seas. The lessening impact of unions over the last couple decades could be attributed to Republicans or it could be attributed to a decreasing need for unions because they were crushing the industries they were negotiating with. Try to keep in mind that the Dems have had control of house, senate and White House at various times in the last few decade so they certainly had the ability to change anything the Reps could do. Further I know numerous union members who are die hard Republicans and they are thrilled that their union dues are constantly used to support Dems.
Finally to say that people used to get 4-5% raises and now only receive 1-2% because republicans oppose unions is mind numbing in its simplicity. I'm sure the size of raise you receive has nothing to do with the economy being piss poor, the relative health of your employer, the changes in tax law, obamacare or any other possible issue. I'm sure your raise was only 1-2% because republicans are mean.
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QUOTE="spartanhusker, post: 1179902, member: 56"]I'd like to see the documentation of the 980 million statement directly credited to their words.[/QUOTE]
Please. Defending the Koch brothers is unbelievable. They are EXACTLY what is wrong with this country today. Shame on you spartan.
My wife and are both in "union shops" and we work side by side with non-union members without issue. I am telling you this as a fact from our 5 decades of union work experience, so don't believe everything that you see on Fox News about unions. It is bunk!
I was a Union Steward and was in a Union for 20 years. By the time I left they had become the ultimate superpac for the DNC. And THAT was in the private sector. Public sector unions don't even try and hide the fact they are a money-laundering scheme for the Dems. Imagine if you could hire AND fire your boss. Do ya think he might buckle to your will even if it meant bankrupting the treasury? Let's all get in my VW bus and go to Illinois and Cali and see if there are real-world consequences when elected officials answer to mafia tactics.
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