Langsdorf vid

St. Anger

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A couple things I took from it:

-Sounds like Ozigbo may be on the verge of being the guy.
-Janovich will continue getting carries.
-Said the running game never hit a rhythm against Illinois. Not sure I agree with that.
 

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Yeah, it sounded like Devine and Andy will be getting the majority of carries with a few special plays for Newby.

He did seem to push back on the run game rhythm and also on some of the passing.

The bigger take I got, is he seems to like to play the chess match game (like Beck). I'm not saying this is bad per se, but I started to get the feeling that he tries to go after whatever the defense is allowing, which sometimes I think is not the right solution.

Let's say your strength is X and the defense is only allowing Y, it can force that type of coordinator to play the Y game.

Other times, coordinators will say we are good at X, and we don't care if the defense is allowing Y, we are going to run our X game.

I think in some respects, this plays to the identity theme people so often talk about.

Back when we ran the ball, we didn't care that the pass game was open defensively, we did what we were good at regardless of the defensive scheme.
 

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The bigger take I got, is he seems to like to play the chess match game (like Beck). I'm not saying this is bad per se, but I started to get the feeling that he tries to go after whatever the defense is allowing, which sometimes I think is not the right solution.
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Football is a chess match. This is what all coordinators do at all times.
 

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coordinators - esp with an NFL history - need to understand that a play or entire offensive gameplan that should work based on the defense isn't always a play or gameplan your team is able to execute

the chess match is more applicable to the NFL where the talent is more equal and practice time is such that near perfect execution can be expected

do what you do best and make the defense stop it rather than calling plays based on what the defense dictates but which you may be unable to execute

a twenty yard out was a gimme scheme wise when Mickey Joseph was under center but you didn't see TO dialing that one up time and time again

too many coordinators focus on scheme and play calls without enough attention to personnel
 
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coordinators - esp with an NFL history - need to understand that a play or entire offensive gameplan that should work based on the defense isn't always a play or gameplan your team is able to execute

the chess match is more applicable to the NFL where the talent is more equal and practice time is such that near perfect execution can be expected

do what you do best and make the defense stop it rather than calling plays based on what the defense dictates but which you may be unable to execute

a twenty yard out was a gimme scheme wise when Mickey Joseph was under center but you didn't see TO dialing that one up time and time again

too many coordinators focus on scheme and play calls without enough attention to personnel

There's no good way out for coordinators. We're pretty decent at running the ball, but if we were getting stuffed all game and stick with it and lose, there will be the "why didn't you take the intermediate pass that was there all day!". If you play the matchup, someone will inevitably say "just impose your ******** will".

TO is brought up to support both statements depending on the context of the conversation. If I was an outside fan, I wouldn't have the foggiest whether he was just a gorilla who was going to run over people, or he was a brilliant chess tactician finding soft spots via the option or pass.

In reality he was both, but people rally behind whatever quality is flavor of the moment. And at least one poster has admitted that, if it came right down to it, we may as well lose running the ball as it is more acceptable than trying to lose playing what the defense might give you.
 
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Too much NFL in our OC. If my team is going to lose, I'd rather see them lose by "running too much" than by passing it too much.
 

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My thoughts are that I'm comfortable with this man as our O coordinator. He spoke in a way that exudes his knowledge of the game and he never came across defensive or better than the guys asking questions. I continue to be impressed with the demeanor of this staff and I am confident it will pay dividends.
 
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coordinators - esp with an NFL history - need to understand that a play or entire offensive gameplan that should work based on the defense isn't always a play or gameplan your team is able to execute

the chess match is more applicable to the NFL where the talent is more equal and practice time is such that near perfect execution can be expected

do what you do best and make the defense stop it rather than calling plays based on what the defense dictates but which you may be unable to execute

a twenty yard out was a gimme scheme wise when Mickey Joseph was under center but you didn't see TO dialing that one up time and time again

too many coordinators focus on scheme and play calls without enough attention to personnel
This is really good stuff. There is always an element of the chess match but you have to also understand your strengths and the situation.

Langs has done a pretty good job overall this year. He just failed last week to adjust to the fact we couldn't throw but we're running it pretty well. I hated his 4th quarter play calling last game...but feel he has been a pleasant surprise.