Last night and Indiana

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Yeah LOL good recruiting class like the 14 one around this time right? Let's just forget about the emails and arrests AND wins and see improvement.

Here is a little newsflash for you, this team has gotten way worse than last year and if it cannot beat Indiana, Nebraska, Army, and Maryland it will not have improved an iota from where it currently sits.

You talking about credibility while ignoring the facts is precious. I would take Greg here for the sole purpose of watching your head explode.

 

[NBKnight]

Didn't that bum backup almost lead them to victory against OSU?

The backup is out, if Sudfield can't play, they are down to their 3rd string guy.

 

[bethlehemfan]

I think sudfeld is playing. He's a really good player. RU will need to play well to beat them.

 

[koleszar]

It's really up to the coaches to get these kids to play to the level they did against MSU. They just showed they can compete at this level, now it's up to the coaches to maintain that level of play. This is what good coaches do. The bad one's don't get everything possible out of their players. If we don't see the level of play(emotion, intensity) the coaches are to blame. No Excuses. Weird stuff happens in football so we may lose. I'll be watching to see what our level of play is. If we fall flat I will blame the coaches as they did not preform their job duties. MSU effort should be our base line from here on out because that's the level they have shown they are capable of. Anything less should not be acceptable by the fans or coaches

 

[yesrutgers01]

BAC- I understand the thought process and i think it was a very "positive" from you.
A couple of things.

I think Indiana is pivotal for many reasons. It does go a long way toward a bowl game. We want to be above an Indiana football program. It gives the team momentum.
But it is not "must win" because we do not know the results of the games tgat follow. There are so many "what it's" that can still change the season.

I will wait on the season to determine what it means. But it would make life much nicer.

 

[bac2therac]

BAC- I understand the thought process and i think it was a very "positive" from you.
A couple of things.

I think Indiana is pivotal for many reasons. It does go a long way toward a bowl game. We want to be above an Indiana football program. It gives the team momentum.
But it is not "must win" because we do not know the results of the games tgat follow. There are so many "what it's" that can still change the season.

I will wait on the season to determine what it means. But it would make life much nicer.

do you realistically think that if RU cannot win against an ok but nothing special Indiana that they can recover..where are the 6 wins coming from...Ohio State? at Michigan? at Wisky?

failure to get this win means there is zero margin of error and the team would have to go on a 2008 like run

its why that loss to WSU was incredibly costly. RU is 0-2 in the so called swing games, a lose to Indiana puts them at 0-3 with Nebby and Maryland swing games to come

Unfortunatley failure to get a win here and 2-7 is whats going to happen

 

[Knightmoves]

do you realistically think that if RU cannot win against an ok but nothing special Indiana that they can recover..where are the 6 wins coming from...Ohio State? at Michigan? at Wisky?

failure to get this win means there is zero margin of error and the team would have to go on a 2008 like run

its why that loss to WSU was incredibly costly. RU is 0-2 in the so called swing games, a lose to Indiana puts them at 0-3 with Nebby and Maryland swing games to come

Unfortunatley failure to get a win here and 2-7 is whats going to happen

Sounds like if RU gets to 2-7 it will satisfy your stated agenda of getting rid of the HC.

 

[yesrutgers01]

do you realistically think that if RU cannot win against an ok but nothing special Indiana that they can recover..where are the 6 wins coming from...Ohio State? at Michigan? at Wisky?

failure to get this win means there is zero margin of error and the team would have to go on a 2008 like run

its why that loss to WSU was incredibly costly. RU is 0-2 in the so called swing games, a lose to Indiana puts them at 0-3 with Nebby and Maryland swing games to come

Unfortunatley failure to get a win here and 2-7 is whats going to happen

Only if one is so narrow minded where it is bowl or bust this year. Last time I looked, we have a QB and 3 OL with limited experience, our top DL out for the year and our secondary not available.
I can take a loss to Indy it it is hard fought and we steal a game later and play well and improved through the year.
Even if we lose, half our starters have almost no experience.
But let's forget that fact. If we beat us, both the losing us and the winning us will both suck to you guys.

 

[bac2therac]

but if you are measuring progress and moving forward, shouldn't defeating a school that is arguably possibly the worst "program" in the Big 10 be mandatory, especially if you handled them the year before. If the gap is growing between RU and Michigan/PSU and now its okay to lose to Indiana, it is true, the team may progress and players getting better but RU does not compete in a vacuum. If its not getting better at a rate faster compared to how the rest of the league is getting better...then we are battling with a coachless Maryland on the last day of the year for last place

 

[RU2055]

It's really up to the coaches to get these kids to play to the level they did against MSU. They just showed they can compete at this level, now it's up to the coaches to maintain that level of play. This is what good coaches do. The bad one's don't get everything possible out of their players. If we don't see the level of play(emotion, intensity) the coaches are to blame. No Excuses. Weird stuff happens in football so we may lose. I'll be watching to see what our level of play is. If we fall flat I will blame the coaches as they did not preform their job duties. MSU effort should be our base line from here on out because that's the level they have shown they are capable of. Anything less should not be acceptable by the fans or coaches

Correct

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

but if you are measuring progress and moving forward, shouldn't defeating a school that is arguably possibly the worst "program" in the Big 10 be mandatory, especially if you handled them the year before. If the gap is growing between RU and Michigan/PSU and now its okay to lose to Indiana, it is true, the team may progress and players getting better but RU does not compete in a vacuum. If its not getting better at a rate faster compared to how the rest of the league is getting better...then we are battling with a coachless Maryland on the last day of the year for last place

The Floodies have sunk to the point that asking for a bowl is asking for too much.

Outside of doormat programs like Indiana or Vandy or Wake Forest or something, is there any other p5 fanbase that thinks asking for a bowl is too much?

Floodies say we want to be like tOSU, let me ask, do you think Iowa or Wisconsin or even Northwestern fans would take no bowl, 6 arrests, and scandal and say give more chances?

Yet in the same breath they will bash Schiano for "only" taking us to bad bowl games, but Flood is so great we should not be audacious enough to ask for 6 wins?

This is what makes me think the Floodies are just severely deranged or personally tied to Flood.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

It's always bowl or bust. Always. 82 teams will go bowling this year! Bowls barely mean a damn thing anymore. LOL @ being OK with not going to a bowl. Just pathetic loser talk. You don't and the year is a complete and utter failure. No questions asked.

My personal benchmark is always conference record. A successful season is .500 or better. And Flood will have losing conference records 3 or his 4 at RU. Oh yes, he will have another one this year. Don't look so shocked. And one of those was in the f-ing AAC BTW.

 

[MoobyCow]

Funny how this stuff (returning starters, inexperienced QB, thin at certain positions) is generally brought up by pessimists in the off season, dismissed as being negative, then used as a perfectly valid excuse for under-performing the expectations of people who like the staff. Evidence? 1 of 30 people in the season prediction thread even mentioned the possibility of missing a bowl, and that was given in a range of 5-7 wins.

http://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/season-prediction-thread.25440/page-2#post-723077

 

[Pritz99]

Interesting, Mooby. 'Tis a head scratcher. But let's not forget those that feel anything short of a NC is a failure.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...and next year we'll be 'young' at linebacker and Carroo and Lumpkin will be gone; will that then become the running mantra for any shortcoming?

...there comes a point where you need to win.

Joe P.

 

[ag67]

Funny how this stuff (returning starters, inexperienced QB, thin at certain positions) is generally brought up by pessimists in the off season, dismissed as being negative, then used as a perfectly valid excuse for under-performing the expectations of people who like the staff. Evidence? 1 of 30 people in the season prediction thread even mentioned the possibility of missing a bowl, and that was given in a range of 5-7 wins.

http://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/season-prediction-thread.25440/page-2#post-723077

Guess you see me as a pessimist then. These were exactly the reasons (excuses) I thought we would probably win 6 or 7 games. I revised it downward the day after we lost so many d-backs at the worst possible time.

If you look at the threads of predictions, your theory is not supported at all. Most of the people whom you call optimists were making similar predictions to mine. The people predicting 9 or 10 wins were probably equally divided between the people you now call pessimists, optimists, and people who usually don't post here at all.

Originally I was hoping we would be able to squeeze past WSU in spite of our inexperience, but not after losing so many defensive backs against their offense. If we had DH and the defensive backs, we would likely have beaten WSU and possibly even MSU - everybody would be happy.

I agree that our coaching staff has to take at least some of the blame for these events, but I continue to support them 100% - unless similar issues occur in the future. If not, I am optimistic that this staff can get the job done in the future, if not this year.

 

[MoobyCow]

Guess you see me as a pessimist then. These were exactly the reasons (excuses) I thought we would probably win 6 or 7 games. I revised it downward the day after we lost so many d-backs at the worst possible time.

If you look at the threads of predictions, your theory is not supported at all. Most of the people whom you call optimists were making similar predictions to mine. The people predicting 9 or 10 wins were probably equally divided between the people you now call pessimists, optimists, and people who usually don't post here at all.

Originally I was hoping we would be able to squeeze past WSU in spite of our inexperience, but not after losing so many defensive backs against their offense. If we had DH and the defensive backs, we would likely have beaten WSU and possibly even MSU - everybody would be happy.

I agree that our coaching staff has to take at least some of the blame for these events, but I continue to support them 100% - unless similar issues occur in the future. If not, I am optimistic that this staff can get the job done in the future, if not this year.

Funny, how not one of those 'optimists' you talk about felt the need to actually put out their prediction for a losing season in that thread. One of us posted some actual evidence (hint, it was me), the other made an assertion, but gave no evidence at all.

And, yes, I do consider your outlook on RU pessimistic. I think we can do better, you list a lot of reasons why the current state of affairs is about the best that could be expected. Maybe you're right, but I think and hope you are wrong.

 

[SDBaller]

think you guys are really missing a key point.. even if Sudfeld plays he won't be close to 100%.. you're talking about a guy who runs a 5 flat forty (when healthy) being hobbled against a front that will throw the kitchen sink at him.. RU's biggest problem this year.. you can really scheme up front, but the talent of that front is suspect.. if you front was good and you gave all those looks you would be PSU for OSU.

Hit Sudfeld all night long and he'll be severly limping before Q2 is even finished. Sud is good, but don't confuse him with Drew Brees or anyting.

If IU is unbalanced they'll have to throw the ball 45+ times.. history shows that about 1 of every 22 throws is picked off in that scenario..with a bum wheel it looks even better.-sg

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

It is just unacceptable that any p5 fanbase can set such a low bar.

This is a program that had winning seasons 8 of the past 10 years, and one of the losing seasons we had a player paralyzed.

Also, do not fool yourself. The B1G is not very good this year. GS iterations of this team would be undefeated right now or at worst 1 loss.

Losing to bad, bad Wazzu and TTFP, getting totally destroyed and not even getting a TD, not acceptable.

This on top of a total loss of control off the field as well.

The Floodies will just keep lowering the bar until we are back at Shea.

 

[MADHAT1]

Rutgers can win and should win against the Hoosiers at their house.
RU FB is weak at some spots but its starting QB is in his 3rd year in the system, though first year as a starter. He should be getting comfortable as the starter now and ready to start opening up his game.
The OL needs tweaking, but should be able to handle the Hoosiers D-Line & LBs.
Carroo will get most of the attention, giving the other WRs a chance to shine, while Carroo
still gets the job done despite being the center of attention.
RU's RBs should make the Indiana D take notice of their skills and have a good day .

This post was posted in a positive manner, because RU can win and doom & gloom is not my style. So it is a big game and possibly a must win on the way to the post season bowling match in my opinion.
Without the win, RU going bowling will be much harder with Ohio St, Wisconsin , Michigan and Nebraska the next 4 games on RU's schedule.

 

[DocRU]

Indiana is a must win for a bowl game. Its simple math. A loss to Indiana gives RU 4 losses. There's then only room for 2 more losses. The problem is Ohio State, at Michigan, at Wisconsin is 3 more losses. See?
Is Flood done if he loses tomorrow? Arguably so. You see its the body of work. And a losing season together with all that's gone on this year doesn't look good.
Recruiting? Ok the current class looks decent but its really not good enough to compete in the division we're in. Kyle really needed a better effort in state for that.