Last post, then done complaining. I think we should change the D, not the O....

[Railin Jemmye]

Let's step back, calm the emotions, and look at this realistically.

1) Our offense is literally the best it's ever been at MSU. Yes, we may be frustrated with some vanilla play-calling, but consider that the OL was still fairly young and will be a veteran, battle hardened unit next year.

2) Our offense is tailored around our personnel, which right now, has to be Russell and Perkins. We have to run a pass happy spread. We'll go back to run based in 2014 with Prescott, Milton and Robinson as veteran Jrs.

3) Case Study 1: After Ole Miss' 2009 season, they kept their DC around because he was a good recruiter. They also made offensive changes and their QB stupidly went pro. They lost to Jacksonville State en-route to a program overhaul. The similarities of those two situations are getting eerie.

4) Our defensive scheme was repeatedly torn to shreds, by everyone. The PLAYERS had to make plays on defense to stop drives and turn games around. Think of the fumbles and interceptions Banks and Co. caused. We lose that next year.

5) Some want to keep Wilson because he can recruit. I say that shouldn't be a reason. Two words - Tim Brewster. Losing Wilson may cost us one or two players, but who cares. I actually think that maybe he should stay one more year with wholesale changes in strategy.

6) Case Study 2: Auburn runs off Gus Malzahn because people are puzzled by play-calling, even though that offense was the sole reason for their success the previous 3 years. They are looking for new coaches now.

7) Case Study 3: Biggest difference in MSU 2009 and 2010? Defense. Not schedule. We went from Torbush to holding Cam Newton and Ryan Mallett in check. Think about that.

I only raise these points because I see people bitching about the offense instead of the defense. I think that's incorrect. I'm not in favor of firing anyone this year, but if we do, it has to be on the defensive side of the ball. I would probably be more in favor of a demotion of Wilson and promotion of Collins, or some whole sale schematic changes. Not sure if that's feasible though.

 

[HueFreeze]

6) so are you saying our vanilla play-calling is because we suck at d
7) we also had 3 nfl lb in that defensive scheme change ...fast forward the last two years I am not sure I lb are good enough to run the scheme ...also i am not sure if it is the lb or the scheme ...we will get better talent at lb next year, it will just be young, but faster

we have to be more aggressive reguardless ...explain to me how letting an offense get into rhythm at their own stadium is ever a good situation ...Bo Wallace and Tyler Wilson last year

 

[Coach34]

Let's step back, calm the emotions, and look at this realistically.

1) Our offense is literally the best it's ever been at MSU. Yes, we may be frustrated with some vanilla play-calling, but consider that the OL was still fairly young and will be a veteran, battle hardened unit next year.

2) Our offense is tailored around our personnel, which right now, has to be Russell and Perkins. We have to run a pass happy spread. We'll go back to run based in 2014 with Prescott, Milton and Robinson as veteran Jrs.

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offense in 2010- 42nd in the nation
offense in 2012 under Russell- 77th in the nation

No, it's not the best offense we have ever had. Just because we set some passing records doesnt mean we had a good offense.

Hell, everybody bitched about the offense last season when we finished 84th and had all our linemen hurt- but suddenly we move up to 77th in the country and "it's the best we've ever seen at MSU"??????

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Stop taking things so literally. I'm talking about historically. Both offenses were Mullen's in 2010 and 2012. Dak isn't going to step in and make the offense better than Russell. Stats don't lie, but they don't tell the whole truth.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

That's defense.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

You can't say "literally" and follow that with "stop taking things so literally"

I give Railin Goatbell9 five more days.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

bullcrap, that's a good post, and you're nitpicking. go storm the field or something.

 

[tenureplan]

#2 kinda baffles me a little bit. I've seen you say this a few times now, and to me there isn't much difference between the styles of Milton and Perkins. Secondly, its no forgone conclusion that Griffin will not be the primary back his senior year.

I think the main problem with Wilson's D was that as a whole, this turned out to be the weakest combination of LB and Dline we have seen over the past few years. With his gameplan, the Dline/LBers MUST stop the run because we're already going to be giving up alot of yards on the underneath passing stuff. I like Cam, he was all over the field, he is heady, and he made a ton of tackles. The problem is that most of those tackles were after a 5-7 yard gain. He got blown up filling the hole quite often. Skinner Disapeared and or middle LBers were young. Not to mention that Boyd never really filled Cox's shoes this year. Back to my point; this defense relies on 3rd and long and if you are conceding the underneat AND can't stop the run, you aren't going to see to many of those.

Which brings me to my biggest knock on Wilson. He should have changed the defensive gameplan based on the talent he had. We should have been in man press 50+% of the time and take advantage of a good corner combination. We should have blitzed gaps to both stop the run and to preasure the QB. We really wasted one of the best corner combinations we have ever had at State. So in a way he is right, his gameplan works with the right combination of Linemen and Backers, and it was execution that led to it not working. What he failed to see is that we simply did not have the players in the right places to execute it properly.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

basically what i meant was that we'd be a run based spread who pounded it up the middle. perkins may can do that too, not trying to pidgeon-hole him like that.

i'm not real sure at this point what the problem is on D, but I veer towards coaching. If Banks, Slay and Boyd get drafted highly, we'll know the problem quickly.

 

[Coach34]

I disagree.

I think we have a much better offense with Dak, Perkins, Griffen, and JRob shouldering most of the load next year rather than Russell, the two Johnson's, and Tubby. And it really ain't even close

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I will say that is possible, and at least you've been consistent with that thought process. I just think that if Mullen knew that, he'd do it. Maybe he does, maybe we have a QB controversy next year. I actually think Relf and Russell was a closer duel than we all know about in 2010 and 2011.

 

[lazlow]

Let's step back, calm the emotions, and look at this realistically.
I only raise these points because I see people bitching about the offense instead of the defense. I think that's incorrect. I'm not in favor of firing anyone this year, but if we do, it has to be on the defensive side of the ball. I would probably be more in favor of a demotion of Wilson and promotion of Collins, or some whole sale schematic changes. Not sure if that's feasible though.

Mullen's #1 priority is getting/developing/motivating linemen that can dominate on either side of the ball. If firing someone improves this difficienct area of our team, then by all means, cut the pink slip today (because you have a better option not because you're pissed). In the games we won we either dominated or held our own up front. In games that we were out manned we got our *** handed to us. Dominate up front and you can run what ever 17'n offense/defense you want. Dominate up front and you can call any 17'n plays you want especially with the likes of russell,perkins, et al.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

offense in 2010- 42nd in the nation
offense in 2012 under Russell- 77th in the nation

No, it's not the best offense we have ever had. Just because we set some passing records doesnt mean we had a good offense.

Hell, everybody bitched about the offense last season when we finished 84th and had all our linemen hurt- but suddenly we move up to 77th in the country and "it's the best we've ever seen at MSU"

Here we go. Classic 34. Please cite your source on those offensive numbers.

Here are some facts. We were sacked 7 fewer times than in '10 despite throwing it 107 more times (in one fewer game b/c we haven't played our bowl game yet).

We also threw 7 fewer interceptions this year than in '10, despite throwing it 107 more times (again, we haven't even played our bowl game yet this year).

We scored 5 more points per game than in '10.

The difference is Defense, Ballard & O-Line in '10 and Ballard & Defense in '11. Ask the Colts, Bills & Eagles. Those guys we lost are good. We miss them.

But to act like we didn't just take a gigantic leap in QB play is just asinine. We threw it 10+ more times per game and cut our INTs and SACKS in half!

I knew you'd go back to your old ways. You are so predictable.

Russell will end up being the best QB ever at State and it kills you because you were wrong about him.

 

[Coach34]

Here we go. Classic 34. Please cite your source on those offensive numbers.


We scored 5 more points per game than in '10.


I knew you'd go back to your old ways. You are so predictable.

Russell will end up being the best QB ever at State and it kills you because you were wrong about him.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/conf stats/2012000000911TD.HTML

and http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/conf stats/2012000000911TD.HTML

We've averaged 1 more point per game this season than in 2010- not 5 as you lied about. And we still have a game left this season- that will change that number. If it wasnt for Dak- that number wouldnt be as high as it is. TRussell didnt give Relf any help in 2010. He just played mop-up

You're right about Classic Coach34 though- pointing out with facts the flaws in people's opinions on here since 2003.

All we did this season was trade a good running offense for a spotty pass offense. There were 31 QB's in D-1 that threw as many or more TD's this season as Tyler Russell. Just because our school records are hideous doesnt make him great.

 

[cheewgumm]

Can we run the ball without running the option? That is my question. If the answer is "yes" then Russell would be my QB. IF the answer is "no" then it would have to be Dak. We could not run it this year with Perkins, and no option type attack. I think that is the biggest decision of the off season. Do they think we find a way to get rushing yards. Because if we can't then next yr will be a repeat of this year.

On D,I think there are 2 problems...

1) Our current D sucks against any offense.

2) What are you going to do against spread fast paced type teams (OMU and A&M specifically). It's almost like you have to build 2 defenses. One to face LSU and Bama, and one to face A&M and OMU. I'm anxious to see innovation on D, like we have seen on O this year. Not sure where the defensive innovators are, but I would try to hire that person as coordinator, then find a couple of GREAT recruiters and pay them to come here.

RECRUITING


We can't allow OMU to outrecruit us anymore. I'm not sure why it is. We can all say it's $$...but who knows that? And who cares? It doesn't matter unless they get caught. We have to recruit as well as they do...period. I don't know how to do that, but if your a college coach, you gotta find a way.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/conf stats/2012000000911TD.HTML

and http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/conf stats/2012000000911TD.HTML

We've averaged 1 more point per game this season than in 2010- not 5 as you lied about. And we still have a game left this season- that will change that number. If it wasnt for Dak- that number wouldnt be as high as it is. TRussell didnt give Relf any help in 2010. He just played mop-up

You're right about Classic Coach34 though- pointing out with facts the flaws in people's opinions on here since 2003.

All we did this season was trade a good running offense for a spotty pass offense. There were 31 QB's in D-1 that threw as many or more TD's this season as Tyler Russell. Just because our school records are hideous doesnt make him great.

Excuse me. Got that backwards. 5 more points than in 2011. 1 more point in 2010. My mistake on that. Didn't mean to "lie."

See how I admitted I made a mistake. You should take note. You're also not the only one who can look up stats on the internet. Speaking of...

Tyler threw 5 touchdown passes in 2010. That's 35 points. Almost 10% of our total from that year (377). That doesn't include an FG drives he might have led (too lazy to look it up). Also, he scored the only TDs we had against LSU or Alabama in Relf's entire career.

Of those 31 QB's who threw as many or more TD's as Tyler, exactly 9 had as many or fewer interceptions. Exactly 7 were sacked as many or fewer times. Tyler is great because he takes care of the ball and he doesn't take sacks. Something Relf didn't do.

You can try to make Russell sound like an average QB, but he's not. He's definitely the best QB in modern MSU history. But he also one of the best, if not THE best in the conference. Our complete lack of a deep threat and shoddy offensive line underscore that point. Not to mention he gets hit a ton and he's a tough SOB as well.

Your hard on for Dak and all things Louisianan has blinded you champ. Anyone who's seen us play knows Tyler is legit.

It's Mullen's problem if he can't figure out how to use a great QB. A good coach would tailor his offense to suit his players' strengths. A mediocre coach just runs his system even if he doesn't have the horses to do it well (see: Joe Lee Dunn after Smoot & Bean went pro).

 

[Koldfire]

Excuse me. Got that backwards. 5 more points than in 2011. 1 more point in 2010. My mistake on that. Didn't mean to "lie."

See how I admitted I made a mistake. You should take note. You're also not the only one who can look up stats on the internet. Speaking of...

Tyler threw 5 touchdown passes in 2010. That's 35 points. Almost 10% of our total from that year (377). That doesn't include an FG drives he might have led (too lazy to look it up). Also, he scored the only TDs we had against LSU or Alabama in Relf's entire career.

Of those 31 QB's who threw as many or more TD's as Tyler, exactly 9 had as many or fewer interceptions. Exactly 7 were sacked as many or fewer times. Tyler is great because he takes care of the ball and he doesn't take sacks. Something Relf didn't do.

You can try to make Russell sound like an average QB, but he's not. He's definitely the best QB in modern MSU history. But he also one of the best, if not THE best in the conference. Our complete lack of a deep threat and shoddy offensive line underscore that point. Not to mention he gets hit a ton and he's a tough SOB as well.

Your hard on for Dak and all things Louisianan has blinded you champ. Anyone who's seen us play knows Tyler is legit.

It's Mullen's problem if he can't figure out how to use a great QB. A good coach would tailor his offense to suit his players' strengths. A mediocre coach just runs his system even if he doesn't have the horses to do it well (see: Joe Lee Dunn after Smoot & Bean went pro).

Good stuff

 

[Singer]

Stop taking things so literally. I'm talking about historically. Both offenses were Mullen's in 2010 and 2012. Dak isn't going to step in and make the offense better than Russell. Stats don't lie, but they don't tell the whole truth.

For someone talking about stats not lying look at Prescotts numbers, a rating of 169 a higher completion percentage and no turnovers. The 6th leading rushing QB in the SEC with limited time. 3.6 yards a carry and his red zone scoring percentage is way higher than Tyler. Tyler is a talented QB but it doesn't take a genius to see its at least possible Prescott does a better job. I would say better than 77th offense in the country and he makes the players play harder around him than Tyler does. Your probable next argument of he played at he end of games against 2nd team ect. Well Those big first downs that saved the offense many times weren't, neither was his touchdown at LSU and his drive at the end of the ole miss game they would have sold their soul to stop that last score. I guess we'll see.