Laviano now rated #1 qb in Big Ten by ESPN
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How many sophomore qb's do you see beating Michigan state? You're probably the same fan screaming to go deep with a minute left in the first half and MSU has 3 timeouts left. Give it a rest already and let the kid get some props. You're f*cking miserable.
Statistics are nice but sometimes you have to see things with your own eyes to form the most valid opinion.
LOL ESPN? You mean the guys that tried to tell us that Christian Sackenberg is the greatest QB in the history of college football and a lock for #1 overall pick?
What's the old saying....statistics are for losers. Laviano had a good game but Cook had a bettet one and won as he made several great throws to his very good receivers.
An item of note....no catches by any of our tight ends or backs from the stats on saw on line. Did we even throw a screen pass?
An item of note....no catches by any of our tight ends or backs from the stats on saw on line. Did we even throw a screen pass?
Oh yeah, he is the top QB in the B1G. Right. There are four teams in our division who are 2-0. CL is 0-2. Do you really think any other team wants CL for their QB?
Besides being 0-2 and 1-3 FBS RU is ahead of only MD in points scored. And they fired their coach.
Wake up! Completion percentages don't win football games.
Ball control does not win football games unless your defense is lights out.
Why do you think the hot teams in college football like Oregon (not this year) TCU, Baylor etc. emphasize offense. The goal is to score more than your opponent.
RU is scoring 22 points per game and giving up 27. We don't need a QB who completes 70% of his passes, we need a QB who scores more points than the defense gives up.
Someone please pass this message on to HCKF.
Besides being 0-2 and 1-3 FBS RU is ahead of only MD in points scored. And they fired their coach.
Wake up! Completion percentages don't win football games.
Ball control does not win football games unless your defense is lights out.
Why do you think the hot teams in college football like Oregon (not this year) TCU, Baylor etc. emphasize offense. The goal is to score more than your opponent.
RU is scoring 22 points per game and giving up 27. We don't need a QB who completes 70% of his passes, we need a QB who scores more points than the defense gives up.
Someone please pass this message on to HCKF.
He's clearly not the best QB in the B1G...obviously. He played a really solid game against MSU and deserves credit. He made some good plays with his feet. He made good throws and took care of the ball. For those that argue about arm strength, etc. His biggest problem is that he doesn't set his feet properly on many plays and isn't always balanced properly. That takes velocity off of the ball...he needs better coaching on that. I think his best attribute is he doesn't seem to get too flustered and "frightened" out there. He will be going into a tough stretch of games and he is going to get knocked around pretty good...we'll see how he responds.
Agree on TE and screen passes.. but Goodwin caught 3 passes. Maybe the saying is "lying about statistics is for losers".
I like Laviano. I wish he had gotten more experience while Nova was being coddled and mismanaged. I think Laviano is better than Nova. But I suspect Rettig is better than Laviano.
Gotta love our fans: they'll take any opportunity to tear our kids down. Nice job!
If it is true that - "His biggest problem is that he doesn't set his feet properly on many plays and isn't always balanced properly" ... who is able to coach him through that - thought that Fridge was said to have done great things for Nova's mechanics - who can do that for Laviano? can Fridge spend some 'consulting hours' & get this worked out? can McDaniels?
This was explained to you last week and apparently, you still cannot grasp such a simple concept. ESPN's ratings are their "Total Quarterback Rating", or "QBR" and they list Laviano in 6th place (http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/5). Nationally, Laviano is ranked 64th in ESPN's QBR (http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/2). Laviano has the highest NCAA passer rating, which is NOT an ESPN rating system. You only claim it is an ESPN rating because that is where you discovered the information. ESPN considers Laviano an average college QB.
two drops, three tight end drops, two by Scarff(?) in the last minute. None in first three quarters.
Bingo! While CL didn't lose this game (even with brain-fart spike), Cook stepped up and won it for MSU, just like a legit QB should do.
Hey HCKF, your soph QB in his fifth game is putting up great numbers against the 5th ranked team in the country having a potential first round NFL senior QB. Good coaching!
kay:Laviano is probably the most efficient in the B1G. I doubt people here could deny that much. The problem is that we need to take a few more chances if we're going to upset some teams. Efficiency will keep us in most games, though.
I LOL'd in the broadcast Saturday night when Long said that Laviano is good at completing the underneath passes. There is no doubt about it, he has shown that ability.
What continues to frustrate me is the lack of his zip and deep balls. That first TD to Carroo the other night was a rocket - a great pass! The second TD was a good looking deep ball, too. I just wish he either had the confidence in himself (or his receivers not named Carroo) to let it fly more often with zip. Hopefully that will come in time - otherwise, even if he is starting again next season, who will he target deep when Carroo is playing on Sundays?
What continues to frustrate me is the lack of his zip and deep balls. That first TD to Carroo the other night was a rocket - a great pass! The second TD was a good looking deep ball, too. I just wish he either had the confidence in himself (or his receivers not named Carroo) to let it fly more often with zip. Hopefully that will come in time - otherwise, even if he is starting again next season, who will he target deep when Carroo is playing on Sundays?
Not saying Laviano is the next Roger Staubach but I'm starting to see what the coaches see in him. He takes care of the football, is elusive with his feet and seems to be somewhat poised given his experience. And with Carroo in the game he looks MUCH better. Rettig still may be the better prospect long term but Laviano playing fairly well right now.
Give it a rest for one week. Laviano played well. The defense played great. We lost by one touchdown to a top 5 team.
And Hackenberg and Laviano have the exact amount of pass completions, but Hackenberg has 40, yes 40 more attempts.
Gotta love our fans: they'll take any opportunity to tear our kids down. Nice job!
There is nothing worse than bashing our own kids who give their blood sweat and tears for the sake of the program.
That said, I don't think people who are criticizing Laviano are bashing Laviano per se, but more of the decision making that led to his selection.
This can go the other way too. When people sarcastically make comments about Rettig - like "well we have the best QB in the land seating on the bench" are they making fun of Rettig? Or are they simply defending the selection of Laviano?
Gotta love our fans: they'll take any opportunity to tear our kids down. Nice job!
It NEVER ends, from Teel to Nova to Laviano. Being a Rutgers fan is tough...other Rutgers fans make it even tougher.
Yes, I feel bad for our kids who gets bashed - like Rocket Williams, Chase Dodd and now ... Heyden Rettig.
This. I would slightly change it to we need an offense that scores more points than the defense gives up. Laviano is not responsible for the performance of the offensive line.
I was coming on here to post the same thing. He is 6th in the Big Ten. As for the comments of others in this thread mocking ESPN, their QBR has Cook as the best in the Big Ten by a large margin and Hackenberg 14th out of 15.
"Laviano has the highest NCAA passer rating......"
I've got two questions:
1. Has ANY Rutgers quarterback ever had the highest NCAA passer rating?
2. Has ANY quarterback with the highest NCAA passer rating ever had so many "fans" of his team bitching for the backup quarterback to replace him ?
Listen I never said nor thought that Laviano was the #1 quarterback in the Big Ten. Or even ONE of the best.
But I root for a program that has had limited success with its quarterbacks. I don't think we've ever really had a NFL qb. (Please don't mention Ray Lucas.) Consequently, I was shocked when I checked out the rankings on the ESPN site and saw Laviano at the top. I don't remember ever seeing an RU quarterback at the top of the league....no matter which league we were in. And it was nice to see. It's also nice to put it in the context of these first few games this season being HIS first few games And there is a reasonable chance that he will improve with more experience.
I know the stat is not the most accurate. Actually, I'm more of a wins-and-losses guy than a stats guy. But it IS a reason for optimism. And it makes those here who clamor for the backup to replace Laviano look as foolish as they are. Better we should replace the right tackle or the tight end.
Team got outscored 24-10 second half . Rutgers went 3-12 on third down and MSU went 11-17. Rutgers D just (once again) couldn't come up with the 1 big stop when needed. Although that long 3rd and 10 catch was a the killer play by the WR for MSU. D wasn't terrible on it at all. There are your stats of the game. Great game. TEAM just came up short. 1 more score and 1 stop. Ballgame.
I would bet a lot of $$ if HR came in and had the same exact statistics that crown would be screaming "told you so".Gotta love our fans: they'll take any opportunity to tear our kids down. Nice job!
I agree that CL is not the best QB in B1G , but how nice is it that our starting QB in his first year of playing as a starter is leading in certain statistics. Good job Chris!!!
And BTW for those of you flashing our record in the B1G around , the last time I looked we also have a defense that gave two game losing drives, and 10 other players on offense.
"The most popular player on the team is the backup QB."
I don't know who originally said it, but man did they get it right."
The whole backup QB argument might have died weeks ago if it appeared there was a true QB competition this year. When all reports by those who saw the practices indicated that both QBs were close or that Rettig was looking better, but Laviano is not only named the starter and Rettig will never see the field... that keeps the controversary going.
People aren't necessarily saying they KNOW Rettig is the better QB, people are saying the reports by those who saw both say that.
I don't know who originally said it, but man did they get it right."
The whole backup QB argument might have died weeks ago if it appeared there was a true QB competition this year. When all reports by those who saw the practices indicated that both QBs were close or that Rettig was looking better, but Laviano is not only named the starter and Rettig will never see the field... that keeps the controversary going.
People aren't necessarily saying they KNOW Rettig is the better QB, people are saying the reports by those who saw both say that.
I don't know how anyone can have any real complaints about Laviano at this point. It seems that the biggest complaint is that we have a combination of Peyton Manning and John Elway on the bench. While Rettig looked to have a GREAT arm against Norfolk State, I'm guessing a lot of programs wouldn't mind Laviano's production thus far. Considering he is four games into his career, you have to like what you have seen.
His arm strength seems adequate to me...was very good on that first TD pass to Carroo, plenty good enough on the 2nd. I don't think his arm is above average, but it isn't bad. To me, the best thing is that you can see he can handle pressure. You can already see that he doesn't freak out and break down the way Nova did when pressured. Nova has the better arm, but Laviano has shown really good poise for such a young QB. I'm excited to see what he can become over the years as he learns to read defenses better and becomes more comfortable throwing downfield.
His arm strength seems adequate to me...was very good on that first TD pass to Carroo, plenty good enough on the 2nd. I don't think his arm is above average, but it isn't bad. To me, the best thing is that you can see he can handle pressure. You can already see that he doesn't freak out and break down the way Nova did when pressured. Nova has the better arm, but Laviano has shown really good poise for such a young QB. I'm excited to see what he can become over the years as he learns to read defenses better and becomes more comfortable throwing downfield.
"So, it's always the QB's fault if we lose?"
Not always, but personally I would have seen what Rettig could have done to start the 2nd half of the WSU and Penn State games when the offense failed to do much in the first halfs.
If you only score 3 points against a team that has been giving up points to just about everyone, the QB deserves a little blame for the game imo.
Not always, but personally I would have seen what Rettig could have done to start the 2nd half of the WSU and Penn State games when the offense failed to do much in the first halfs.
If you only score 3 points against a team that has been giving up points to just about everyone, the QB deserves a little blame for the game imo.