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I was impressed with Laviano's 50yd throw on the run. I know it was intercepted but that happens at end of half/end of game hail mary's.

50yds, not planted but on the run and it was a dart. NICE ARM STRENGTH!!!!!

look at the 1:27 minute mark.

 
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I was at the game and I commented to my buddy, "So much for him not having an arm." I think he lacks confidence, perhaps due to lack of experience, to throw the ball on a rope to his receivers and to throw it a half second sooner and give them less time to adjust to the ball. If they had a split second more they would make more tacklers miss. I hope these adjustments will be made as the product of gaining more confidence and experience.
 
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You know any college QB can throw at least that far and most farther right? Also, if he threw it farther, his receivers would have had a better chance.
 
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Knight Ed said:
You know any college QB can throw at least that far and most farther right? Also, if he threw it farther, his receivers would have had a better chance.
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I'm pretty sure everyone knows that, but he was moving to his right and didn't step into the throw, and it was still on a rope. I haven't been one of those on here who thought Laviano didn't have an arm--he's too big not to be able to throw it--it's the way he's using it (or not). QBs need to have a balance of strength and finesse with their throws; some QBs throw too hard all the time, which drives their incompletion rates up, while others throw with too much finesse, which drives their interception rates up and gives receivers less time to run with the ball when they do catch it. Laviano seems to have a touch too much finesse, and I think that's a sign that he hasn't yet learned to trust his receivers to make a play on a ball thrown hard. My guess is he will make that adjustment as he gets more comfortable reading defenses and putting the ball where the play requires him to put it.
 
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This reminds me of the adage: "The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man that can't read them."

I was in the end zone at the game. The throw looks better in the video than I thought it looked from my seat at the game. If anything, this is just more frustrating to me. If he has the ability to sling it downfield with decent accuracy, then I want to paraphrase Keyshawn: throw them the damn ball!
 
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I won't argue that it didn't represent arm strength. What I saw was EXACTLY why they need to let him throw downfield more.

However...and I get the reason why as noted above..it was not a great throw under the situation in that it 1) did not get into the end zone and 2) was not thrown with enough arm to get over the defenders who were playing on the goal line.

BUT..let the guy roll out with run/pass option. He can do that for sure.
 
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Knight Ed said:
You know any college QB can throw at least that far and most farther right? Also, if he threw it farther, his receivers would have had a better chance.
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^^THIS^^ the very fact that he couldn't put it past the goal line to where his receivers were actually makes the opposite point. Every HS QB should be able to throw the ball 50 yards. Its those 70 yard throws that should be the difference in a power 5 starting QB in a pocket-passing system. Which would mean they can "make all the throws".. like long outs to the wide side of the field. That is what we seem to be missing now.
 
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Wilson addressed this recently. Laviano IS allowed, the OC has called for deep routes, but Laviano has usually chosen to take the 2nd option and throw underneath .


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I won't argue that it didn't represent arm strength. What I saw was EXACTLY why they need to let him throw downfield more.

However...and I get the reason why as noted above..it was not a great throw under the situation in that it 1) did not get into the end zone and 2) was not thrown with enough arm to get over the defenders who were playing on the goal line.

BUT..let the guy roll out with run/pass option. He can do that for sure.
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No one said he couldn't throw long. What they said is that he couldn't throw long with decent accuracy and velocity so that the DB can't get to it before the WR. Nothing in the video disproved that. Also did you see how much effort and time it took him to heave it 50yds? That shows his lack of arm strength. The problem isn't him doing it. The problem is HOW he is doing it.
 
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I think we have different definitions of "dart" and "on a rope."

A strong armed quarterback can make throw sitting in a folding chair...
 
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So, if he has the arm strength, it means he's terrified of making bad decisions.

So, he's making bad decisions.
 
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High school QB's make that throw 10 out of 10 x. That isn't an exaggeration.

That throw was not impressive. It didn't even reach the intended target. It came up short. And he may not have stepped into the throw, but he put everything he had into that throw.

If he could hit wide open receivers downfield, he would. He doesn't. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.
 
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Laviano is like Chad Pennington in that his smart decision making makes up for a weak arm.
 
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I was watching the video and I went from "WTF is the OP talking about" to "Oooh, well hey now ......... "
 
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RUtrumpet92 said:
I was in the end zone at the game. The throw looks better in the video than I thought it looked from my seat at the game. If anything, this is just more frustrating to me. If he has the ability to sling it downfield with decent accuracy, then I want to paraphrase Keyshawn: throw them the damn ball!
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I wonder if the people who keep throwing out the idea that Laviano does, in fact, have a strong arm realize that if he does it really makes things even worse than if he doesn't. If he doesn't, it makes sense that the game plan is based upon no long passes and a weak arm. If he actually has a strong arm and doesn't use it, there's a major confidence issue going on -- not something you want your starting QB to have.

It's not just that he's not unleasing 50 yard passes, he's rarely throwing for longer than 10 yards. Nearly all of the 10+ yard passes involved the receiver gaining some yards. That's gonna be hard to cut it in conference games...
 
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"PISCATAWAY — Rutgers quarterback Chris Laviano failed to attempt a downfield pass in Saturday's 27-14 win over Kansas. It was Laviano's third straight game without a deep pass, but Rutgers interim coach Norries Wilson insists the lack of downfield shots isn't by design. "We had some things on the script and the game plan," Wilson said. "There was going to be a downfield throw we were all anticipating and he took his other option on the other side that was wide open. We have nothing against .. - See more at: http://www.ooyuz.com/geturl?aid=8507379#sthash.9E4D0VBs.dpuf
 
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If you want to be a power running team and don't stretch the field on first down off play action, you're doing it wrong.

I have nothing against the kid and have heard from multiple people that Retting doesn't know the playbook well enough to be seriously considered as a starter right now. But if Laviano doesn't want to, or can't, take deep shots, our offense becomes so vanilla we might as well punt on 1st down and play defense.

Hopefully the bye week gives Rettig more valuable time without a game plan to install.
 
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So now some here want to judge the arm strength of Laviano based on a Hail Mary throw? Totally ridiculous!!! Arm strength is about being able to fit the ball into tight windows downfield not a desperation heave at the end of the half. Show me video of Laviano throwing a 25 yard dart or rope on a square out route to the wide side of the field or an in route between the safeties. As you progress from HS to college to NFL, the coverage and recovery speed of defensive backs improves and the windows get smaller and smaller. Arm strength is required to get the ball into those small windows downfield before the defender can recover and either breakup or intercept the pass. Any decent high school quarterback can throw ball 50 yards downfield. It's about delivering the ball downfield with accuracy, timing and pace.
 
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realhoops2 said:
So now some here want to judge the arm strength of Laviano based on a Hail Mary throw? Totally ridiculous!!! Arm strength is about being able to fit the ball into tight windows downfield not a desperation heave at the end of the half. Show me video of Laviano throwing a 25 yard dart or rope on a square out route to the wide side of the field or an in route between the safeties. As you progress from HS to college to NFL, the coverage and recovery speed of defensive backs improves and the windows get smaller and smaller. Arm strength is required to get the ball into those small windows downfield before the defender can recover and either breakup or intercept the pass. Any decent high school quarterback can throw ball 50 yards downfield. It's about delivering the ball downfield with accuracy, timing and pace.
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Chech the source. (pun intended)
 
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So you guys wanted him to throw it out of the end zone to prove he has even more arm strength? You guys will eat any starting QB alive over anything. And the comment that HS Qb's make this throw 10 out of 10 is an all timer, seriously that is one for a signature.
 
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loyalty_policia said:
So you guys wanted him to throw it out of the end zone to prove he has even more arm strength? You guys will eat any starting QB alive over anything. And the comment that HS Qb's make this throw 10 out of 10 is an all timer, seriously that is one for a signature.
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Oh please stop! The OP started a dumb thread about a pass that was an interception and your response is just as dumb. Rutgers has a QB that has a very strong arm and he is sitting on the bench!
 
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ruhudsonfan said:
I think we have different definitions of "dart" and "on a rope."

A strong armed quarterback can make throw sitting in a folding chair...
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I agree. Wouldn' say dart or frozen rope. The throw was pedestrian for a D1 level QB. I think it is more a testament to lack of decision making skill to throw into double/triple coverage. Lavaiano has a serviceable arm but it is the weakest of any of the QB's that suit up on Saturdays. Rettig and Dare have very strong arms and Gio's looks nice also just has a very long delivery. I also love to hear how people say Rettig is not playing because he cannot get the playbook. This is a kid that graduated from one of the more prestigious parochial schools in California. It is very similar in caliber to a St. Peters Prep or CBA.
 
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kupuna133 said:
I agree. Wouldn' say dart or frozen rope. The throw was pedestrian for a D1 level QB. I think it is more a testament to lack of decision making skill to throw into double/triple coverage. Lavaiano has a serviceable arm but it is the weakest of any of the QB's that suit up on Saturdays. Rettig and Dare have very strong arms and Gio's looks nice also just has a very long delivery. I also love to hear how people say Rettig is not playing because he cannot get the playbook. This is a kid that graduated from one of the more prestigious parochial schools in California. It is very similar in caliber to a St. Peters Prep or CBA.
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We don't know why Rettig isn't playing. This playbook crap goes back to the spring. There was very little issues in the summer. We don't know why Rettig isn't playing because the head coach spent more time emailing professors
 
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We don't know why Rettig isn't playing. This playbook crap goes back to the spring. There was very little issues in the summer. We don't know why Rettig isn't playing because the head coach spent more time emailing professors
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We'll agree to disagree.
 
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