Laviano with open crossing route 15 yards down the middle - bounced!
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Scoring and winning are overrated. Much better to complete 74% of your passes.
His inability to throw downfield limits the offense.
GO RU
GO RU
The best throw of the season i think was Rettigs throw to grant down the middle that was called back
Can some of you people who say he has a spaghetti arm tell me how he threw a 50yd pass on the run (not from a full wind up which will give you an extra 10-15 yds) at the end of the half if he can't throw 15 yds? I am not as smart as all of you above posters so please explain this to me.
You are kidding, right?
His first TD pass this year.. with a running start, was severely underthrown and Caroo made a great play.
And today, on the Hail Mary at the end of the half, a running start and he barely made the goal line.
And that is what is most maddening about not seeing ANY RETTIG.
We know they were close in camp. per Flood's own words. We all saw what Rettig did in the 1st half vs Norfolk State.. he looked good. Rettig has an NFL arm. If either of these QBs has a shot at an NFL career, it is Rettig... so we play Nova exclusiv.. I mean we play Laviano exclusively because producing a possible NFL QB has ZERO value to recruiting QBs or WRs or TEs.
INSANITY REIGNS.
Reality, let me ask you a question. If the coaches think Laviano has a strong enough arm to pass downfield, why have we not thrown one deep ball in three games other than the one fail Mary pass today? It is painfully obvious that we will not throw long with Laviano in the game.
Let's be honest with what he brings.
Pros:
1) Somewhat mobile
2) Accurate on short passes
3) Touch passes are adequate
Cons:
1) Obvious lack of arm strength shrinks the playbook
2) Can't stretch the field
3) Very questionable decision making at inopportune times
Laviano screams back up QB when you have a guy like Rettig holding the clipboard. His skill set prohibits you from making winning plays against good teams. He is the ultimate low risk, low reward choice, which unfortunately, is how our head coach views the game of football.
Pros:
1) Somewhat mobile
2) Accurate on short passes
3) Touch passes are adequate
Cons:
1) Obvious lack of arm strength shrinks the playbook
2) Can't stretch the field
3) Very questionable decision making at inopportune times
Laviano screams back up QB when you have a guy like Rettig holding the clipboard. His skill set prohibits you from making winning plays against good teams. He is the ultimate low risk, low reward choice, which unfortunately, is how our head coach views the game of football.
Bounce pass works fine in basketball. Not so good in football.
Heaving a throw with everything you have for a Hail Mary is different than standing in the pocket with a rush and stepping into a throw with velocity over 30 yds. RU will not being able to loosen up defenses without taking shots downfield.
GO RU
GO RU
The issues with arm strength is really apparant.
Teams are going to hedge up the safeties
Could not reach end zone on Hail Mary
Either from about 50 yards
Big pass plays will be hard to come by...:and so will points
Teams are going to hedge up the safeties
Could not reach end zone on Hail Mary
Either from about 50 yards
Big pass plays will be hard to come by...:and so will points
Without question, teams will stack the box daring Laviano to beat them. We were so much better than Kansas that we could run on them stacking the box and didn't need to go over top of them.
We won't be able to do that against any other team on our schedule, save perhaps Army.
If we want to win, Laviano is going to have throw the ball further than 10 yards and screen passes to do it. Considering we haven't seen it yet, there is obvious reason to be highly concerned of his ability to do it.
Watching other games and the velocity other qb's get on throws is like night and day from Laviano. He is a decent touch passer who is accurate but has no arm strength.
That doesn't get it done at this level.
We won't be able to do that against any other team on our schedule, save perhaps Army.
If we want to win, Laviano is going to have throw the ball further than 10 yards and screen passes to do it. Considering we haven't seen it yet, there is obvious reason to be highly concerned of his ability to do it.
Watching other games and the velocity other qb's get on throws is like night and day from Laviano. He is a decent touch passer who is accurate but has no arm strength.
That doesn't get it done at this level.
Who cares about pro potential. It's about who can win now and in the future. Laviano has a lack of arm strength. Almost all of his passes are looped. Laviano may be able to read defenses better right now, or knows the playbook a little better now, but halfway through the season who would've given a better chance to win....LAviano with six games under his belt, or Rettig with six games under his belt?
That's the worst part. Rettig having been playing would have more experience than Laviano at this point.
If you can't make all of the throws as Laviano can't, it doesn't matter how well you know the playbook.
If you can't make all of the throws as Laviano can't, it doesn't matter how well you know the playbook.
Actually, his short passing accuracy is mediocre at best. October is going to get ugly. As i noted in another thread the top B1G teams have the horses to put 9 in the box and abuse Laviano, the RBs and the OL. Hoping we can keep point differentials under 40, but this is going to be iffy. No D to fall back on so at this point, season is over and we can start speculating about how to can Flood and see who is dumb enough to take on this job as Rutgers HC at bargain basement pricing.
I care about "pro potential" and you should too.
We run a PRO-set offense. We do not run some gimmicky college offense. The QB should resemble a PRO QB in his ability to make throws the pros make. Furthermore, if you think about the program as a whole you have to think about the long game.. and that means recruiting. And NOT giving a guy with an NFL arm a real chance to show what he has will just scare similar recruits away. I said it during the Nova years and I say it again.. what receiver or QB would want to come to Rutgers if things keep going in this direction?
Right, nothing better to argue your case than to flat out lie about the facts. He threw a 50yd pass on the run with lots of zip. Let's keep making SHi$ up so other morons can jump on.
People who have to lie to argue their points have no credibility on here or in life.
Sorry, I agree with the original comment. That pass was a weak, lame duck. It never made it to the end zone and easily got picked off.
Exactly, watching sportscenter this morning I found myself envious of any team that has a quarterback that can throw the ball more than 30 yards.
Judging from Scarlet Shack's previous body of posts and game observations, he will forget a lot more about college football than you will ever know. Be careful who you call out..
We have a qb who can throw more than 30 yards. He just isn't able to see the field.
You really think that ball had a lot of "ZIP" on it? That ball fluttered and never turned over. Hardly lots of zip. The fact that he threw that ball was more a testament to lack of decision making skills vs. arm strength though.
It was also thrown into the wind. I think he was also running and didn't have the time to stop and wind up properly. IMO this is a bogus argument because there are just not that many situations where throwing the ball well over 50 yards is a crucial issue. The mistake with the first interception was throwing it off his back foot. He was trying to throw it while backing away from a defensive lineman. That is why it floated and came up short.
I am no expert (unlike apparently everyone who posts on this board), but I would guess either he is not yet seeing the field very well beyond 20 yards or he is having difficulty reading the defenses beyond this area or the OC is concentrating on the high-percentage short passes. 75% completion average is good for any quarterback and certainly indicates accuracy.
The comments about the bounced pass are funny IMO. It had nothing to do with arm strength. He either short-armed it or it slipped out of his hand somehow.
I had my doubts at the beginning of the year, but I am beginning to like his potential.
I am no expert (unlike apparently everyone who posts on this board), but I would guess either he is not yet seeing the field very well beyond 20 yards or he is having difficulty reading the defenses beyond this area or the OC is concentrating on the high-percentage short passes. 75% completion average is good for any quarterback and certainly indicates accuracy.
The comments about the bounced pass are funny IMO. It had nothing to do with arm strength. He either short-armed it or it slipped out of his hand somehow.
I had my doubts at the beginning of the year, but I am beginning to like his potential.
Just because someone spews crap every time they breath does not make them right.
The anti Laviano crowd will lie and say anything to try to argue their case.
Don't question my football knowledge because there are very few here that can match my player evaluation. Unlike CRAZYAL who created a love song for a HS football player or others on here who look at stars but never watched game film or played on the college level.
Is he really even that accurate on short throws? I have seen him get some guys absolutely laid out and/or not be in a position to get any RAC because his short throws are so off the mark. He has a particular tendency to sail them high.
When did you see Kansas stack the box yesterday....or does typing "stack the box" make you try to sound like you know what you are talking about? I pretty much saw a basic defense...aside from their alignment against our bunch formations
I believe they are referring to the passes that seem to lack zip, you know, nice tight spiral that gets to the receiver quickly, with some mustard on it, make the opposition think "oh, this kid can throw." I thought he did many good things, but, as the coaches have said (I believe) he can throw the ball downfield, well..............show us a few.