Lebby needs more time. Y’all need to be patient.

Dawg1976

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The talent and cupboard he inherited was as bare as it’s ever been here at State and you know it. You just don’t want to admit that. This is only year 2, be patient. He needs 2-3 more years.
2-3 more years? Someone just shoot me and put me out of my misery.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Dawgg

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Sometimes I forget about the ignore feature, but then a clown emerges that reminds me of its usefulness. Thanks Will.
 
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msstatelp1

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Calling me a troll doesn’t change the facts: Lebby went from 2-10 to 5-7 with a bowl bid in Year 2, ran the 3rd-fastest offense in the country, and landed our best recruiting class in years. That’s progress, not trolling.
Getting a bowl bid after 8 or 9 teams opted out ain’t exactly earning it.

I’m tired of wandering in the wilderness in football. I really want a coach that can be successful and I would be happy if Lebby was that coach…but he makes too many elemental mistakes that even a new head coach shouldn’t be making. He’s been an OC for some good head coaches. Why does he look like he didn’t learn anything from them?

I freely admit to letting him draw me into believing he can do the job but he has totally ruined that.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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IF last night was a job interview, he failed. He had some good moments, but it was because of the team's overall performance, not coaching decisions.
 
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Wesson Bulldog

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Those stats don’t negate what our eyes and ears are showing:

These teams do not get better as the season matures

In-game coaching decisions are inbred-sloth level incompetence

Recruiting talent improvements negated by already mentioned questionable decisions and lack of a winning, finishing-the-game attitude.
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dog99walker

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I believe that is the real Will. This guy calls Leach, “Coach”. Will, get your Master’s. Get into coaching and make the Pirate proud.

That is a term of great respect. I really ever criticize a coach we hire. But we have a suck line on both sides. Loadholt needs to get some talent. I give him a break this year, he arrived in Starkville later in the year and tried to make it work. However, it was obvious that Huntzler was not a DC after the first year. We should have “cut” him after the first
 
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The Peeper

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You all begged for this exact thing two years ago. When Coach passed away and the offense went stale, y’all were saying in here “We need a real Air Raid guy!” “Bring in someone who runs up-tempo, no-huddle, 80 plays a game!” “Hire the next Leach disciple who’ll light up scoreboards!” Ect. So Mississippi State went out and got exactly that in Jeff Lebby, one of the hottest offensive minds in football, direct from the Lincoln Riley/Leach tree, proven at Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and UCF. And guess what? You got precisely what you asked for: fastest tempo in the country and 3rd-most offensive plays per game in the country.
So now that you’ve finally got the high-flying, fast-paced Air Raid offense you screamed for, you want to fire the guy because the defense, which he’s still fixing can’t get a stop That’s not coaching failure. That’s impatience. And you need to be banned.
Troll, you've got me confused with somebody else, I hated every minute of the Air Raid.
And why didn't you address any of the questions I posed to you? Typical Troll......
 
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Getting a bowl bid after 8 or 9 teams opted out ain’t exactly earning it.

I’m tired of wandering in the wilderness in football. I really want a coach that can be successful and I would be happy if Lebby was that coach…but he makes too many elemental mistakes that even a new head coach shouldn’t be making. He’s been an OC for some good head coaches. Why does he look like he didn’t learn anything from them?

I freely admit to letting him draw me into believing he can do the job but he has totally ruined that.
They still were invited. They earned the invite no matter who turned it down. This is progress and again it’s only year 2! You guys are the problem with wanting to change coaches and directions every freaking year. And you wonder why we can’t build anything here.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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If I am the problem, we have some significant issues. I tried to be very positive. All my positivity ended with the interception in Florida.


ETA- I've been around since the mid-70s. I haven't seen anything change for more than a few years. What's different about us now?

I haven't seen building of any kind that is moving forward.
 
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I haven't seen building of any kind that is moving forward.
We just turned around a 2-10 season to 5-7. Not to mention we only lost by 7 points to Tennessee and Texas, then by 2 points to Florida. We were just a couple of plays from being 8-4. If that’s not moving forward in year 2 then I don’t know what is. I think guys like you are too jaded and pessimistic in general.
 

ronpolk

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He’s only in his second year as a head coach. He inherited a mess after coach died. He has shown progress with 5 wins and getting to a bowl game this year, and he has a proven track record as one of college football’s elite offensive minds. At ole Miss he led the SEC in total offense both years. At UCF he was number 2 nationally in total offense. At Oklahoma his offense was great. Here at State already just this year he’s top 15 in explosive plays, and we were number 1 in the conference in running the most offensive plays per game, and had the fastest tempo of anyone. We need to be patient he’s doing great things with recruiting numbers. Here at State needs at least guaranteed 2-3 more years to be realistic in fixing the mess he inherited.
If you don’t watch the games and only look at the record, I could understand the thought process of being patient. But if you’re watching these games and the decisions he makes and lack of improvement in really anything that good coaching usually improves, then I don’t understand how anyone can preach patience.

If you’re watching Lebby and your eyes tell you he’s looking like a good coach, you don’t know ball.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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We just turned around a 2-10 season to 5-7. Not to mention we only lost by 7 points to Tennessee and Texas, then by 2 points to Florida. We were just a couple of plays from being 8-4. If that’s not moving forward in year 2 then I don’t know what is. I think guys like you are too jaded and pessimistic in general.
If that is all you are hanging your hat on... go right ahead. I have seen this before. In fact, I saw it from the high-dollar box against Maine.
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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He’s only in his second year as a head coach. He inherited a mess after coach died. He has shown progress with 5 wins and getting to a bowl game this year, and he has a proven track record as one of college football’s elite offensive minds. At ole Miss he led the SEC in total offense both years. At UCF he was number 2 nationally in total offense. At Oklahoma his offense was great. Here at State already just this year he’s top 15 in explosive plays, and we were number 1 in the conference in running the most offensive plays per game, and had the fastest tempo of anyone. We need to be patient he’s doing great things with recruiting numbers. Here at State needs at least guaranteed 2-3 more years to be realistic in fixing the mess he inherited.
 

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If that is all you are hanging your hat on... go right ahead. I have seen this before. In fact, I saw it from the high-dollar box against Maine.
Bill Snyder, Lance Leipold, Kirk Ferentz, Frank Beamer, Mark Stoops- all had terribly bad losing seasons their first 2 years and barely had a winning season in their third. Good thing Vanderbilt didn’t get rid of Clark Lea too soon.

Gary Patterson, Bill McCartney, Barry Alvarez- all didn’t have winning records until their 4th years.
Patience in tough situations pays off!
 

lazlow

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The talent and cupboard he inherited was as bare as it’s ever been here at State and you know it. You just don’t want to admit that. This is only year 2, be patient. He needs 2-3 more years.
think i'm the onlyone being objective here. Let's go back to the 409 ypg, There's no way around it and that's been two full years. and no way around second to last after two years.

Admit it.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Gary Patterson was 6-6 in year 1, 10-2 in year 2, 11-2 in year 3.

Lance Leipold at Kansas went 6-6 in year 2 and lost the bowl, but had won 4 conference games by the end of the second year.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Bill Snyder, Lance Leipold, Kirk Ferentz, Frank Beamer, Mark Stoops- all had terribly bad losing seasons their first 2 years and barely had a winning season in their third. Good thing Vanderbilt didn’t get rid of Clark Lea too soon.

Gary Patterson, Bill McCartney, Barry Alvarez- all didn’t have winning records until their 4th years.
Patience in tough situations pays off!
I have the patience of Job. This is going to be a fun ride. Glad I live out of state.
 
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Zarbok

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when he got hired i told everybody i talked to he would need a minimum of 3 years before you can judge him. people won't take off the rose colored leach glasses but he was going downhill quick and imo would've been fired in a year, maybe 2 at most if hadn't suddenly died. the recruiting wasn't good and the ones he did recruit wouldn't fit any other scheme. then arnett came in and screwed the program even worse. my theory on him is that he was told pretty early on that he wasn't the guy and just straight up gave up on the team and recruiting. lebby came in to a full on five alarm fire of a program and needs his time to build it up.

it always boils down to the little brother syndrome state fans have cause ole miss hired kiffin and it worked for them and not us. now they're angry that ole miss is where they're at and we're working our way out of the dumps.
 

85Bears

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when he got hired i told everybody i talked to he would need a minimum of 3 years before you can judge him. people won't take off the rose colored leach glasses but he was going downhill quick and imo would've been fired in a year, maybe 2 at most if hadn't suddenly died. the recruiting wasn't good and the ones he did recruit wouldn't fit any other scheme. then arnett came in and screwed the program even worse. my theory on him is that he was told pretty early on that he wasn't the guy and just straight up gave up on the team and recruiting. lebby came in to a full on five alarm fire of a program and needs his time to build it up.

it always boils down to the little brother syndrome state fans have cause ole miss hired kiffin and it worked for them and not us. now they're angry that ole miss is where they're at and we're working our way out of the dumps.
Lol

another miss cleo predicting the future for HOF coach Leach

just admit the Morons who berated him were horribly wrong and are reaping what they sewed now. 9-4 , top twenty ranking, bowl win, beat ole Miss. two time national coy, hall of fame, just enjoy Arnett and Lebby please.

lol
 
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Zarbok

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Lol

another miss cleo predicting the future for HOF coach Leach

just admit the Morons who berated him were horribly wrong and are reaping what they sewed now. 9-4 , top twenty ranking, bowl win, beat ole Miss. two time national coy, hall of fame, just enjoy Arnett and Lebby please.

lol

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Looking back I'm glad we gave Croom plenty of time, it really paid off (eyeroll).
I’ve pointed out the trajectory between the two couldn’t be more different. You must have missed that post of mine. You need to be patient and supportive. Lebby delivered the most explosive and fastest tempo attacks MSU has seen. He is working on the defense. Total rebuilds here take time. 2-3 more years. Be patient and aim for his 4th year and you’ll see the train really going full steam. Then after that we’ll be more consistently winning most of the time
 

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We just turned around a 2-10 season to 5-7. Not to mention we only lost by 7 points to Tennessee and Texas, then by 2 points to Florida. We were just a couple of plays from being 8-4. If that’s not moving forward in year 2 then I don’t know what is. I think guys like you are too jaded and pessimistic in general.

Patterson was 0-1 his first year. He lost the bowl game.
So, noodle me this... you count one bowl game for a whole season against Patterson, but you don’t count Lebby’s absolutely embarrassing bowl loss against this season’s total?
 
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TinGym

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Yes thats call improvement. In year 2 after inheriting a total mess, he’s over doubled the win total and got to bowl. Those are irrefutable facts. I know you hate to admit that.
I hate admitting how we got into the mayonnaise bowl that’s for sure, and Lebby’s win total is the number one reason he will be on the hot seat going into next season. He just hasn’t come close to proving he’s HC material yet imo.
 
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olblue

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Bill Snyder, Lance Leipold, Kirk Ferentz, Frank Beamer, Mark Stoops- all had terribly bad losing seasons their first 2 years and barely had a winning season in their third. Good thing Vanderbilt didn’t get rid of Clark Lea too soon.

Gary Patterson, Bill McCartney, Barry Alvarez- all didn’t have winning records until their 4th years.
Patience in tough situations pays off!
Do you have any idea how irrelevant comparing that era to the one college football resides today? Apparently not.
 
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olblue

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The talent and cupboard he inherited was as bare as it’s ever been here at State and you know it. You just don’t want to admit that. This is only year 2, be patient. He needs 2-3 more years.

Can’t deal with the facts I’ve laid out in thread. Facts hit harder than gravity on that frozen rock, QuaoarsKing.
Here’s a fact that hits you in the nuts. Lebby is one and ******* fifteen in conference play. Bill Parcells was right. You are what your record says you are. And Lebby is a 1-15 coach.
 
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He’s only in his second year as a head coach. He inherited a mess after coach died. He has shown progress with 5 wins and getting to a bowl game this year, and he has a proven track record as one of college football’s elite offensive minds. At ole Miss he led the SEC in total offense both years. At UCF he was number 2 nationally in total offense. At Oklahoma his offense was great. Here at State already just this year he’s top 15 in explosive plays, and we were number 1 in the conference in running the most offensive plays per game, and had the fastest tempo of anyone. We need to be patient he’s doing great things with recruiting numbers. Here at State needs at least guaranteed 2-3 more years to be realistic in fixing the mess he inherited.
Good luck with that argument, but you are correct! Last Uh-Rah give him this last try, then we can ***** about all the upcoming G5 guys we “Should” hire while we can.
 
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Here’s a fact that hits you in the nuts. Lebby is one and ******* fifteen in conference play. Bill Parcells was right. You are what your record says you are. And Lebby is a 1-15 coach.
Parcells went 3-8 as head coach at Air Force in 78. Then in his very first year as an NFL head coach with the Giants in 83 he went 3-12-1. Good thing the giants were patient.
 

olblue

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Parcells went 3-8 as head coach at Air Force in 78. Then in his very first year as an NFL head coach with the Giants in 83 he went 3-12-1. Good thing the giants were patient.
You know someone is completely out of bullets when they compare Bill Parcells and Jeff Lebby.

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olblue

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Parcells went 3-8 as head coach at Air Force in 78. Then in his very first year as an NFL head coach with the Giants in 83 he went 3-12-1. Good thing the giants were patient.
For every Bill Parcells at Air Force there is a Zach Arnett at Mississippi State. And WTF does Jeff Lebby have with Bill Parcells. That’s right. Not a damn thing.