I guess I misunderstood,
I was saying I think he's out of excuses after picking the roster.
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I was saying I think he's out of excuses after picking the roster.
Then we were essentially saying the same thing and in agreement haha.
Lebron is his own worst enemy. He needs to drop his ego, and allow himself to be coached by a worthy coach, Ty Lue sure as hell isn't gonna cut it.
And he needs to go out and recruit proven, capable players to back him up. Quit being so loyal to guys who are over the hill and can't play.
Ditch Love and Irving. Period. They're OAF and not worth the money. That's not just at Cleveland, that's anywhere.
Wiggins hasn't been a good defender so far in the NBA.He's a solid scorer but he is not a good jump shooter which is needed to surround Lebron. He
The Cavs are super unlikable. You got Lebron, who is a major egotistical douche. You got Kyrie who is a ball hog PG from Duke and a soft big man in Kevin Love.
I hope they get swept.
I hope they get swept.
Kyrie is an overrated cancer. Love is only good as a supporting cast member and not worth spending big $$$.
Lebron needs to make some drastic moves in the next few off seasons for any hope to soldify his legacy. He desparately needs a pg and rim protecting center. Winning the East the past couple seasons has given the Cavs false hope because once they play top competition from the West it's game over. Time to stop with the coaching carousel and address the real problem...player personnel. Roster overhaul and trade pieces while you can.
Lebron needs to make some drastic moves in the next few off seasons for any hope to soldify his legacy. He desparately needs a pg and rim protecting center. Winning the East the past couple seasons has given the Cavs false hope because once they play top competition from the West it's game over. Time to stop with the coaching carousel and address the real problem...player personnel. Roster overhaul and trade pieces while you can.
Me too! Although I have other reasons to just hate Cleveland and that state as a whole. But man it would be great for a 4 game sweep.
Ah, didn't know you were going all narrative. Thought this was a basketball thread. Carry on, WEEI.
It's murder this year. Plus missing out on Love and Irving doesn't seem to be a problem against this Warriors team. Both those players are terrible matchups against GSW.
Sorry about your lost years. Pro tip: catch up on Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones ASAP or the internet will be a confusing and lonely place for you. YWIA.
I think someone here mentioned the Warriors are a better team this year than last year. Particularly Curry and Green.
Ok, first off, you need to check your facts on how many championships Lebron has won. It really bugs me when people talk this way about Lebron because it's complete hogwash. You act as though he just up and left Miami because Wade and Bosh were on their way out, which I think they've shown that to be premature and Lebron even said it was premature to think that way about both of them but especially Wade. That wasn't the case at all. He didn't leave Miami to go to some big market squad with several other all stars already there just to get more rings. He went to a much more difficult situation to do something that NO player has ever done in history. He went to a historically bad franchise with no FA appeal at all, so he could try to win a title for the area and city from which he is from. How can you criticize someone for doing that? He obviously learned an important lesson from the manner in which he left Cleveland and wanted to fix the situation by returning to the Cavs.
Lebron left freakin Miami Beach for effin CLEVELAND! How many FA do you know of has ever chosen to go to Cleveland over other NBA teams like the Bulls, Knicks, Lakers, etc.? How many FA have actually chosen to go to the Cavs? It's damn near impossible to get a FA to Cleveland. It's not New York or LA or South Beach, it's Cleveland, Ohio. That's why the Cavs don't draw FA, not because they don't want to play with Lebron. There is also this thing called a salary cap and you add that in with the fact that Cleveland has made ALOT of dumb moves over the years, including trading Wiggins for Love, and you get what you have with the Cavs over the years. Yet, Lebron has still carried the Cavs through playoffs after playoffs.
He has still carried the Cavs to 3 Finals with damn near no help at all. I'm sorry but Kyrie is highly overrated, as is Kevin Love. He literally has a team of role players that don't even play their role unless they're at home and even that's not a given. People constantly bash and complain about his play but what more can the guy do? He can't muscle his way down the lane every possession or try and force a shot on every trip. He has to have help and he has to try to get his teammates going. He can't do it by himself, it's just impossible. You ask about his supporting cast wilting like its his fault. Really?
Then everyone says..... Well, it it wasn't for Ray Allen hitting a 3, Lebron would only have 1 title.
Well, if more of his teammates would've done their job like they're supposed to do, like Ray Allen did that day, he may have 5 titles. So, it works both ways. The fact is that Lebron's team failures in the Finals have very little to do with him and mostly to do with his teammates. That's not an excuse, its just a fact.
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It sounds a lot like an excuse and fans constantly fall over themselves to be an apologist for him and come up with every reason possible to explain a loss for Lebron.
I wonder if those same people who make excuses for Lebron, bashed Peyton Manning or Dan Marino for their lack of postseason success?
Lebron hand picked this team and convinced management to trade for Love so save me this "poor Lebron" stuff and quit acting like this team is the 2007 Cavs. In actuality, Lebron has three top 5 NBA Draft picks in the starting line-up beside him.
I wonder if those same people who make excuses for Lebron, bashed Peyton Manning or Dan Marino for their lack of postseason success?
Lebron hand picked this team and convinced management to trade for Love so save me this "poor Lebron" stuff and quit acting like this team is the 2007 Cavs. In actuality, Lebron has three top 5 NBA Draft picks in the starting line-up beside him.
That's a weird way to look at things. Anthony Bennett was a #1 draft pick, and no one wants him in their lineup.
i predicted correctly that canland would take bennett, but they should of taken noel
lechoke awol again last night in the final 10 minutes. worst star "closer" in the history of basketball?
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I like Lebron, but he's not assertive offensively at the end of games as he should be. He can get to the rim anytime he wants, but he'd rather shoot jumpers and pass, apparently. 2. He and Irving cannot be on the same team effectively, as both need the ball in their hands to be most effective. 3. This is Lebron's 7th Finals appearance - looking at it, he has been on the better TEAM once, maybe twice: 2012 v Oklahoma City for sure, maybe 2011 v Dallas. IMO.
What? This statement makes no sense when we already know Irving and Love are both 3x NBA All-Stars.and Thompson has been solid.
Everyone can argue the if's, but's, why's, how's all they want. The only thing I look at are results. LeBron is about to go to 2-5 in Finals series. I don't care what the circumstances are, he is 2-5, Jordan was 6-0, Kobe was 5-2.
So basically it would be better for Bron to lose before getting to the finals
Getting to the finals from the East is not the slightest bit impressive and hasn't been for five years now. The 2011 Bulls were the only Eastern team that Lebron's squad ever beat that was actually considered very good.
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I don't see LeBron winning another title, just my opinion. I think he tries to be the Coach and player, just don't work.
Cleveland needs to pursue Big Cuz... Keep kyrie ( even though he's gay ) and can Tristan to complete that team... I like Tristan but he's got nothing as far as offensive game..
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I have said that he has went 6 straight times because the East is weak plenty of times . Still doesn't change the fact that bringing up his finals record is lame when the team he faced was better . Anyone who thinks Kobe finals record would be great on those Cavs teams are fooling themselves same as Jordan
This.
Why do you punish LeBron for getting to the Finals?
I don't think LeBron is the GOAT. I'm not sold he's ahead of Kobe, even.
But to say that he lost in too many Finals--at least he got there. Is he better of to be 2-0, and never go back to the Finals?
I can't say it for fact but I'm pretty sure if you replace Lebron with Kobe on any of the Cleveland teams he would not win a title . Very confident in that
Yes the Dallas series since Lebron was not good that series. Don't think he would have beat the Spurs who played out of their mind that series .
And Lebron won two in Miami so there is that
I think it's pretty obvious why so many want to follow LeBron and play with him. The dude is the most talented freak of nature in the history of the sport and could probably score a lot more than he currently does, but instead he actually enjoys helping make others better on the floor and will give you the ball if you're open. Guys like Kobe and Mello have always loved to score the ball and made sure no matter what during a game they end up with their 25-30. LeBron doesn't have that mindset at all. He will get his 22 and not try to force things to up his scoring for that game. I do think Kobe and Mello have the same talent to make others better like LeBron, but at the end of the day, they can not damage their scoring average in the boxscore to make that happen. It's also kind of obvious why it seems the Cavs can't get the talent to join LeBron at this moment. Love was thought to be one of the best frontcourt players in the league and while playing for awful teams, he scored his 26 and grabbed his 11 boards a game. When you add him to a team that is expected to make a deep playoff run, you see he's not as talented as his numbers while playing for the T-Wolves would lead you to believe. He is not one of the most talented frontcourt players in the league, but he still gets paid like one. When you add up his salary added with LeBron and Irvings, you don't have enough salary left to add more talent. While Irving is a talented point guard, he's overrated as well and the bad part about his game, he seems to get hurt for long stretches every single season. If they can find a way to cut those two from their Cap, i think you would see many talented players would love to join LeBron in Cleverland.
Lebron is a good player, and the Cavs are a good team. They would be good enough to win it most years. However, there's Golden State this year. When GS has their offense rolling it's almost impossible to stop. Their record supports it.
Any metric you look at shows that guys perform much better while on the floor with him. The fact he's won as many games as he has with some of the rosters he's played with shows he makes up for others' shortcomings.