Read again! He said we have not beaten a team with a winning record. Don’t let facts get in your way.
Let’s Be Realistic
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anyone that disagrees with that doesn't know the program
also, I knew Graber and spoke to him several times and he's not only agree, he said as much to the press if you were paying attention.
Greg, to his credit, was able to demand things that made the pillars of a program strong. Bob understood the asks and got it done. Most people don't even realize that until 2000, there were only 2 tutors for all of RU athletics and 1 of those was a handler to get a certain player to and from classes for 3yrs!
lots of things people don't know
The first part of being good is to beat teams apparently equal to us, and those worse than us
In the past, we would have lost a couple games that we won this year
The next step is to beat a team that we are underdogs
It may happen this year
As to an increase in pay, that is subject to debate, but he will get it, more than likely
To me the Iowa and Maryland games are good measures of progress
He deserves credit for the results so far but those 2 games are important
He deserves credit for the results so far but those 2 games are important
Well, debate and criticize all you want, but it's happening.
What’s that old saying? “You don’t know what you had until it’s gone. “ It happened once before and though I don’t expect Greg will be receiving a “ new “ contract this soon he has proven his value thus far once again. We should realize now we have and always will have Schiano detractors. If we went 7-5 , 8-4 or even 10-2 over the next 4 years people would say he is overpaid. Time to just let the powers who pull the purse strings decide contracts.
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Graber was a good head coach. Shea could coach but he couldn't recruit; his west coast demeanor just didn't work here in NJ. Anderson was a decent coach, but I've heard from a couple of players that he was lacking in his ability to motivate.
I've said that until I'm blue in the face, yet people still conveniently forget that. Graber recruited some good players, yet he couldn't keep them in school.
you misunderstand, it's not about coaching or the players as much as it is the holistic approach of the program to winning and being competent. there is so much more to having a winning program than the coach and players. Greg understands this, Bob understood it.
2 tutors for all of athletics just to cite one example. let that sink in......
Why didn't you just say he has to win a national title.
you've a loser mentality with that response
anyone is beatable, hell for the first 3 quarters we were in it with mich. to my knowledge only God is unbeatable.
Romans, Napoleon, Brits, Germans, Russians, PSU, OSU, MSU, you name em and they can be beat
think like a winner
I’m not anti-Flood at all, but come on. Flood inherited a winning team from Greg with 5 star talent on the roster. You cannot go there and compare.
Greg has now twice come into RU and transformed basement dweller embarrassments into bowl teams at Rutgers. For every one coach you could name who has (on more than one occasion) walked into FBS programs and vastly improved them - there are probably 10 other examples where the second time around is a disaster (see Scott Frost). It is not losers mentality to go with (and stick with) the guy whose floor is drastically higher than anyone else we could realistically expect to land. A guy like Frost delivered an undefeated season at UCF. You want winners mentality. He accomplished that. Greg didn’t. Let’s say your right and that means his chance of repeating that type of season is higher than Greg’s. Even if it’s true (which it might not even be), a guy like that comes with a much MUCH higher risk of bringing RU back down to it’s dark days of Ash. It’s not worth the risk and I don’t think it’s losers mentality to think that way.
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I am often a half glass empty guy, waiting for the bottom to drop out, as often happens as a RU fan
I would argue we ARE consistent this year, winning the ones predicted, losing the other two
Yes, we have played poorly during the winning games, but eventually got it done
We appear to be a near middle of the pack big ten team right now, which most would consider an improvement, and many outsiders think we are better
I am going to go back to this whole argument is silly. He has 4 years after this year. There is no reason to work out an extension until after next year. This doesn't mean we are ignoring the man- Hobbs needs to be staying close with Greg to make sure everything that was promised in this contract is getting done as well as some additional things. Let Greg know the extension will be discussed at that point.
What Greg has done this year is get a shiny new seat that is not burning up. And a good show of faith by making everything else happen.
And if I am Greg- I may want to wait until next year anyway. Imagine the additional leverage he would have to bowl this year- maybe even beat one of the elites. And then build it even better next year...if he does it and better next year- then the Dude gets amazing leverage.
What Greg has done this year is get a shiny new seat that is not burning up. And a good show of faith by making everything else happen.
And if I am Greg- I may want to wait until next year anyway. Imagine the additional leverage he would have to bowl this year- maybe even beat one of the elites. And then build it even better next year...if he does it and better next year- then the Dude gets amazing leverage.
I would agree with your post if you’re saying that a contract extension this season is a bit premature. The “Greg Haters”(not necessarily saying you’re one of them), will always say that we still may go 6-6 this season so did he really earn an extension, which I would say you have to look at the big picture. He has, again rebuilt the “infrastructure”, which was broken. That is just as important. I do think we will win another game, but I’m fine to wait until next season to talk extending him.
No ONE seriously thought he was going 6-6 this year anyway. I know there are a few but let's put those in perspective
1- you have the wonderful rutgersal types that are just eternal optimists.
2- you have those that said 6 wins because they really don't like Greg and that was their expectation for him as they really didn't think he could do it because he sucks.
Greg has done something this year- he has beaten the teams that are either- not as good as or maybe equal. Funny this is- I see some saying- but who did he beat? We are better then those teams. Slow down and think about that statement for a second.
Who built the team that is now better then
NWU- how has finished ranked 4 times since 2015
Temple- finished ranked 2 times since 2015 and many on this board claimed were passing us by
VaTech - Not much to add there - if we have now passed them by, that is impressive
MSU - 11-2 Peach Bowl win just 2 years ago
Indiana - Outback and Gator bowls- finished 11 just a couple of years ago.
And now we and many talk of being near or possibly better than Iowa
Anyone that is trying to knock 6 wins because we should win those games is not paying attention. In itself- that is huge for the program.
Another thing - the whole not beating a team with a winning record is being blown overboard. Michigan State and Indiana have not yet lost to anyone with more than 2 losses (all their losses are also to major conference teams). They’ve played a tough schedule. NW lost to 4-3 Nebraska and everyone also meets this criteria too. VTech took losses early losses at Marshall and to Purdue but beat Pitt and Wake (only ACC loss to FSU). There are a lot of highly ranked opponents baked into these W / L records. I’m not saying we played world beaters, but it’s also not true that these teams played a BC caliber schedule and lost.
agree and as I also point out- the fact that we are supposedly expected to beat NWU/VaTech/MSU/Indiana
that in itself is as big of an accomplishment as anything else.
I think after the season heading into the bowl is a great time.
Unless you beat PSU or OSU, then you can do it that night !
Stop it with the nonsense! from where we have come from give Greg the contract extension now and be done with it. showing the love now pays dividends now and in the future.
I just love when so-called fans crap all over any success we have.
Have we beaten a team that would have had a winning record had we not beat them?
Why does GS get the blame for losing to hot teams but gets zero credit for beating teams he should beat?
My god you guys are acting like we are Bama. Hint: we are not, never have been and many say that the reality is we never could be and never will be.
Many here never wanted GS the FIRST time he rebuilt this program and did not want him back for a 2nd go. Here he is, delivering a bowl team faster than he did last time (probably would have been year 4 last time too, if not for a drunk driver decimating our secondary)... GS delivers (and raises APR while doing it) and all they can do is snipe at him.
Maybe it is those fans who do not deserve an extension. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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He did a great job here first time around. He could have been better in years 2007-2011 , but he did the job that eventually got us the BIG invite .
He’s doing another solid job . Not sure if it’s going to be great, but we are better off than any other point since he left.
People forget who we are . Rutgers has been the dregs of the league since joining. We are the fat , ugly kid at the dance. Be happy with what we got in schiano.
Was that Graber’s fault? No , it was Rutgers University’s issue for many years. There was hardly anything set up to make sure players were doing the necessary school work, tutoring was limited therefore Graber was put into an unwinnable situation. We had some talent then but depth after first team -second team was lacking.” Hey Doug where’s the D ? “
Completely agree. This all falls in Freddie G's lap: he wanted athletics to go big time on a shoe string budget.
All that academic and recruiting infrastructure was built during Gregs first stint as RU's head coach. Now he is keeping the administration accountable in regards to facilities all the while maintaining academic achievement and recruting at a high level.
The D was for defense, not depth. And that always bugged me.. Graber came in as a defensive side coach... but it was the offense that went nuts and did well.. yet our D gave up huge chunk yards and TDs over and over.
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Schiano has always insisted upon high academic progress by his players. That is often forgotten by our crowd of “ he sucks “ boys and gals. Funny how few who claim Rutgers legacy fail to promote that. Greg’s history at Rutgers says he has changed the visual. Yes we can do both…
Do you remember the “ scoreboard message “ that day… the D was for his Defense which was lacking.That’s exactly what the scoreboard and post means
That is sort of a yes and no.
Here is where I think GS 1.0 could have done better.
1) In game coaching. Too often, it just seemed we just didn't adjust to what the other team was doing. We also seemed to come out slow too often and many thought that we may have burned out some players before the season even started.
2) He micro managed to a fault- would tell coaches coaching positions Greg had no right to be near, how to do their jobs.
3a) Recruiting - just as he was building leverage, he got too caught up in rankings. Often taking a higher ranked kid for a position that was filled rather than getting a "baller" for a position of need.
3b) Had some years he just ignored positions- he even went a year without a true OL recruited.
But, the guy, love him or hate him- built a brand. He got national attention, he built a program from nothing. He got buy in.
07-09...the starters could have played with anyone on any given Saturday. And would rarely get blown out. But, we lacked depth. 07- was the perfect example.
What he is doing now- he has built depth to go along with a handful of stars/NFL players.
He has also built his best staff ever. And it is showing and I believe they have done pretty well to keep him away when they have to.
He’s not a professor. He’s a football coach .
Keep kids eligible and win games. Schiano understands that
His message to us in our living room was that he was going to take the young man we developed and continue what we started. He made it clear that he couldn't watch him 24/7 but he knew that we already took care of teaching him responsibilities. But, he would continue to stress what is right and wrong and hopefully even bring him to the next level by learning charity, giving, responsibilities as an adult on his own.
Made sure we spoke to and met with Scott Walker before making his decision- BTW- Scott Walker deserves as much credit for this program as any person. He may be the most respected person associated with athletics.
Greg did also talk of building a winner and he spoke of bringing in the right kids to do both. And if any of the kids he brought in got into some trouble, he would be open to give another chance if the kid was willing to give it his best effort. But if any kid was doing something that he brought other kids into or his actions could be detrimental or dangerous to any of the other players- they would be dismissed immediately.