Let’s Be Realistic

[Knight Shift]

Gotta love selective memory. You think coaching salaries are expensive? What about the incompetence we experienced from 2015 till 2019? That was more expensive than anything else, especially considering the revenue which was lost during those years.

Schiano isn’t ever getting fired and is the best football coach Rutgers is capable of getting. He’s coached here 15 years and has proven time and time again to be up to the task, and has a strong track record of achievement.

This is his greatest coaching job yet, and he’s built a competitive, disciplined team in the most difficult conference in America. Despite lacking the resources of better programs, most notably a Fieldhouse and NIL. He’s built the program from nothing to something, despite the naysayers making it more difficult to recruit.

He knows the secret recipe needed to be successful here, and has employed the correct strategies to realize it. Losing Schiano would be more crippling than anything else, and this is proven by experience, where we went from a full stadium to an empty stadium, in a matter of years. We don’t have that many donors to worry about donor fatigue, let alone worrying about the prospect of a donor paying for a buyout, because it isn’t ever going to happen.

Hi Al. I love your positivity, but I disagree on a few points. First, perhaps a pay bump is in order, but IMO, there is no rush for an extension mid-season. First, Greg may not want or need a distraction when he is focused on finishing the season strong. Second, as has been detailed multiple times, these types of moves rarely work out well. To the contrary, they go South. And I disagree that losing Greg would be more crippling than anything else. You are blurring lines here- two lousy hires does not make a case for all other coaches. Rutgers' problem was going cheap both times. All in all, I am thrilled with what Greg is doing and has accomplished, but he made an 8 year deal and he has more than 4 years left on that deal. No need to rush now.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

His successes at RU aside, is Schiano in any kind of bargaining position to secure an extension? If not, is there any reason why Hobbs would feel compelled to offer him one?

Hobbs gets thrown under the bus plenty because people say "he is not a football guy". Now here comes Schiano and does something not even the accounts from The Bible have reported to accomplish. He has resurrected something from the dead....not once but twice. I could see Hoobs trying go hang his hat and part of his legacy on a coach who has accomplished what Schiano has done.

I’m not anti-Flood at all, but come on. Flood inherited a winning team from Greg with 5 star talent on the roster. You cannot go there and compare.

Exactly. You beat me to that statement. What was Flood able to do as a HC following 2014 in regards to success and recruiting at Rutgers? Unfortunately not a whole lot and Flood began the downward spiral that we are now finally exiting.

 

[Knight Shift]

To me the Iowa and Maryland games are good measures of progress

He deserves credit for the results so far but those 2 games are important

As usual, you have a very good and short point. Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Unfortunately not a whole lot and Flood began the downward spiral that we are now finally exiting.

Helped along by Herman Munster, er, Julie Hermann.

 

[WhiteBus]

Well, debate and criticize all you want, but it's happening.

Says who and more importantly when?

 

[mdk02]

To me the Iowa and Maryland games are good measures of progress

He deserves credit for the results so far but those 2 games are important

One of the two would also be the best in-conference record since joining the Big 10.

 

[RUTGERS95]

One of the two would also be the best in-conference record since joining the Big 10.

who has the best in conference record?

 

[WhiteBus]

One of the two would also be the best in-conference record since joining the Big 10.

I'll take it a step further. Beat them both and Rutgers would have a winning record in conference and put any thoughts of playing in the Pinstripe Bowl right in the trash can.

 

[RU#1fan]

I'll take it a step further. Beat them both and Rutgers would have a winning record in conference and put any thoughts of playing in the Pinstripe Bowl right in the trash can.

This is exactly what we are all wanting and looking forward to.

 

[DJ Spanky]

who has the best in conference record?

Kyle Flood, 2014, 3-5 Big 10.

 

[RU#1fan]

Have we beaten a team that would have had a winning record had we not beat them?

Why does GS get the blame for losing to hot teams but gets zero credit for beating teams he should beat?

My god you guys are acting like we are Bama. Hint: we are not, never have been and many say that the reality is we never could be and never will be.

Many here never wanted GS the FIRST time he rebuilt this program and did not want him back for a 2nd go. Here he is, delivering a bowl team faster than he did last time (probably would have been year 4 last time too, if not for a drunk driver decimating our secondary)... GS delivers (and raises APR while doing it) and all they can do is snipe at him.

Maybe it is those fans who do not deserve an extension. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

No one is blaming him for losing to Michigan and Wisconsin.
And he does get credit for beating 5 FBS teams.. although all have losing records at this point and don’t see that changing this season. Let’s just wait for the final 4 games to play out. Still a 1/3 of the season to go. Thinking we get at least one and perhaps 2 wins.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Kyle Flood, 2014, 3-5 Big 10.

yup, he did a great job that year. Will Greg match it is the question

 

[WhiteBus]

No one is blaming him for losing to Michigan and Wisconsin.
And he does get credit for beating 5 FBS teams.. although all have losing records at this point and don’t see that changing this season. Let’s just wait for the final 4 games to play out. Still a 1/3 of the season to go. Thinking we get at least one and perhaps 2 wins.

Wisconsin was winnable. The offense sucked that day.

 

[RUBOB72]

He’s not a professor. He’s a football coach .
Keep kids eligible and win games. Schiano understands that

And your point is ? It’s only because of his early attention to our academic issues when Schiano insisted on vast changes in player tutoring
and monitoring progress. Everyone here should 20 years later understand that in tour # 2.

 

[Knight Shift]

No one is blaming him for losing to Michigan and Wisconsin.
And he does get credit for beating 5 FBS teams.. although all have losing records at this point and don’t see that changing this season. Let’s just wait for the final 4 games to play out. Still a 1/3 of the season to go. Thinking we get at least one and perhaps 2 wins.

And maybe for Greg, it's best to wait. What if RU winds up 8-4 and goes to a major bowl? He has much more leverage then. Even should RU lose out, he hit a low bar that was not expected by everyone. 7-5 is an in between. I agree with you, it would be best for all to wait for end of season.

 

[DJ Spanky]

yup, he did a great job that year. Will Greg match it is the question

Win 1 more and he will have exceeded Chris Ash's total Big 10 wins over 4 seasons.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Hobbs gets thrown under the bus plenty because people say "he is not a football guy". Now here comes Schiano and does something not even the accounts from The Bible have reported to accomplish. He has resurrected something from the dead....not once but twice. I could see Hoobs trying go hang his hat and part of his legacy on a coach who has accomplished what Schiano has done.

Hobbs hired Ash and walked away from and thereafter resisted Schiano. And, now, you have to struggle to find a picture in which Hobbs isn't trying to glom onto Schiano. He's not going to be able to build a legacy on Schiano. He'll always be the guy who didn't want him.

 

[Knight Shift]

Hobbs hired Ash and walked away from and the resisted Schiano. Now you have to struggle to find a picture in which Hobbs isn't trying to glom onto Schiano. He's not going to be able to build a legacy on Schiano. He'll always be the guy who didn't want him.

I normally agree with most of what you post, but I think you're statements are a little off here.

1. Ash was forced on Hobbs. The deal was basically done by Greg Brown and foisted upon Hobbs, after the train was mostly down the tracks and everyone was take by Urban Meyer's and Barry Alvarez' glowing recommendations. And as the lore goes, he gave a great interview.

2. Nobody except Hobbs, Schiano and a select few others know exactly what happened, but to say Hobbs resisted Schiano has never been shown to be the case. I detailed all this somewhere in another thread. Schiano and Rutgers were at a negotiating impasse. Any good negotiator should have a next best alternative in their back pocket, and if the litigation transcripts are correct, Bielema was the backup plan if they could not come to agreement. You may remember that Greg had a tall list of items he wanted address, and that list got pared back when it was revealed the deal was dying or dead. If you have other or alternative facts, please share. And not from third hand low level donors or R Fund members.

I hope that was not too offensive or considered an attack. Striving to be better here and have a constructive debate.

 

[hinson32]

Says who and more importantly when?

Time will tell.

 

[WhiteBus]

Time will tell.

So you were just tossing out some ********! Got it.

 

[NickRU714]

Win 1 more and he will have exceeded Chris Ash's total Big 10 wins over 4 seasons.

Or he'll tie HC Ash's best conference record:
3-6 in 2017
Maybe Ash did deserve that extension afterall?

 

[DJ Spanky]

Maybe Ash did deserve that extension afterall?

Sure he did, going 3-33 in Big 10 play over 4 years.

 

[Plum Street]

Hobbs hired Ash and walked away from and thereafter resisted Schiano. And, now, you have to struggle to find a picture in which Hobbs isn't trying to glom onto Schiano. He's not going to be able to build a legacy on Schiano. He'll always be the guy who didn't want him.

If schiano wins here , hobbs legacy is secure !
And as fans, we just want to win. Could give a rats *** about legacy

 

[NickRU714]

Sure he did, going 3-33 in Big 10 play over 4 years.

Well he went 3-6 in the Big Ten in 2017 (Year 2)
That would be the same as HC Schiano this year if we lose out.

Plus HC Ash only had 3 years left on his contract at that point - less than the mandatory 5 years that is needed for recruiting.

The more this is discussed, the more I'm coming around to Politi and his "HC Ash deserved an extension" after 2017.

 

[hinson32]

So you were just tossing out some ********! Got it.

Of course I was, who do you think I am ONE TIME POSTER?

 

[Morrischiano2]

We have beaten 2 BiG teams reeling from coaching scandals.

We beat Indiana, Temple and VT in down years for their respective teams.

If we happen to win a game in November then I think an extension is reasonable. Otherwise, GS is succeeding in a season that is a bit of an anomaly.

Otherwise, we can wait to see how 2024 is going before we shell out more years.

 

[koleszar]

he's expected to beat these teams as that is what we pay him for. He's paid to do a job, no different than anyone else. Last year he absolutely sucked, was just awful and we should have won at least 2 more games. He's benefited by turmoil and down year. Glad we are winning but he's doing what he is paid to do.

Now if he beats psu or osu then I'll believe we're 'different' this year.

We pay him the least in the B1G head coaching fraternity, well all except for the interims. So realistically, we're paying him to be last in the conference compared to his peers.

 

[yesrutgers01]

We have beaten 2 BiG teams reeling from coaching scandals.

We beat Indiana, Temple and VT in down years for their respective teams.

If we happen to win a game in November then I think an extension is reasonable. Otherwise, GS is succeeding in a season that is a bit of an anomaly.

Otherwise, we can wait to see how 2024 is going before we shell out more years.

So- ex player, and state champion OC for a HS...what do your experienced eyes tell you about this year vs last year or previous?

You cant just keep riding who have we beaten? If they were just gimme games- then you have to give credit that GS made our teams better then them.

I have been very hard on GS. I needed to see this year be a huge steps by my eyeballs. Maybe we end up 6-6 who the heck knows. And with your experience, I don't really know much but...my eyeballs tell me he took a 2-3 step leap this year. You also realize that we are still Michigan's toughest game and they were aided by ref's, if not more.

We are one of the least penalized teams, least sacked, we are not wasting TO's on getting plays in, we don't turn the ball over and maybe a top 10-15 defense in FBS.

 

[RUforlife]

So- ex player, and state champion OC for a HS...what do your experienced eyes tell you about this year vs last year or previous?

You cant just keep riding who have we beaten? If they were just gimme games- then you have to give credit that GS made our teams better then them.

I have been very hard on GS. I needed to see this year be a huge steps by my eyeballs. Maybe we end up 6-6 who the heck knows. And with your experience, I don't really know much but...my eyeballs tell me he took a 2-3 step leap this year. You also realize that we are still Michigan's toughest game and they were aided by ref's, if not more.

We are one of the least penalized teams, least sacked, we are not wasting TO's on getting plays in, we don't turn the ball over and maybe a top 10-15 defense in FBS.

The record of the teams we beat is 11-25, the record of the teams we have yet to play is 24-5. We have had a very easy path to a 6 win season, to show actual progress and improvement would require a 7th win.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The record of the teams we beat is 11-25, the record of the teams we have yet to play is 24-5. We have had a very easy path to a 6 win season, to show actual progress and improvement would require a 7th win.

The wall has so many head bashes to it already.

Take a breath- look at our last decade or so- the fact that NWU/VaTech/MSU/Indiana is an easy path- tells you of where our program is.
getting the 7th or 8th win would tell you that we exceeded it by leaps and bounds. Over the past decade- the best we would have been is 4-4 and we would have had at least 2 -40 games.
The fact that this is considered easy, that is the real story...However you put it- and since you said it was an easy path- you are saying we just passed, NWU/VaTech/MSU/Indiana there is no way, nada zilch, that you can't say that is in itself a testament to where the team is.
The more you try to fight it- the dumber you sound. We may lose to OSU, Iowa, PSU and MD - and I will be disappointed that we did- but we beat a bunch of teams that not that long ago would have been a pipe dream - Greg and this team are responsible for our schedule being an easy path so far.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Win 1 more and he will have exceeded Chris Ash's total Big 10 wins over 4 seasons.

Ash is not his measuring stick, Flood is. Flood did far better than Greg with the same kids despite what people want to admit to seeing. Flood is his albatross

 

[RUTGERS95]

Hobbs gets thrown under the bus plenty because people say "he is not a football guy". Now here comes Schiano and does something not even the accounts from The Bible have reported to accomplish. He has resurrected something from the dead....not once but twice. I could see Hoobs trying go hang his hat and part of his legacy on a coach who has accomplished what Schiano has done.

Exactly. You beat me to that statement. What was Flood able to do as a HC following 2014 in regards to success and recruiting at Rutgers? Unfortunately not a whole lot and Flood began the downward spiral that we are now finally exiting.

lol apples to apples doesn't apply I see with respect to coaching

 

[Knight Shift]

Sure he did, going 3-33 in Big 10 play over 4 years.

I think his point in there is why reward after a single season of success.

I'm in the camp of seeing a trend and another positive year.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Well he went 3-6 in the Big Ten in 2017 (Year 2)
That would be the same as HC Schiano this year if we lose out.

Plus HC Ash only had 3 years left on his contract at that point - less than the mandatory 5 years that is needed for recruiting.

The more this is discussed, the more I'm coming around to Politi and his "HC Ash deserved an extension" after 2017.

stop, you're blowing up the heads of the cult of Greg.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Ash is not his measuring stick, Flood is. Flood did far better than Greg with the same kids despite what people want to admit to seeing. Flood is his albatross

People don't like to hear this but if Flood was able to hire coaches, and had any support to help him guide his way through being a HC- we may have had something....

But regardless- GS is killing it THIS year.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think his point in there is why reward after a single season of success.

I'm in the camp of seeing a trend and another positive year.

I agree but also think we will see more growth next year- this team and staff just have THAT feel to it.

 

[RUTGERS95]

We pay him the least in the B1G head coaching fraternity, well all except for the interims. So realistically, we're paying him to be last in the conference compared to his peers.

doesn't matter, we could pay less with the same results and someone not named Greg

both Ash and Flood actually did better in BIG play earlier so your point is off

Greg should give money back based off of last year

 

[RUTGERS95]

People don't like to hear this but if Flood was able to hire coaches, and had any support to help him guide his way through being a HC- we may have had something....

But regardless- GS is killing it THIS year.

agree on Flood 100%

see my Rutgers doing things cheap comment earlier

 

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[mdk02]

Ash is not his measuring stick, Flood is. Flood did far better than Greg with the same kids despite what people want to admit to seeing. Flood is his albatross

People don't like to hear this but if Flood was able to hire coaches, and had any support to help him guide his way through being a HC- we may have had something....

But regardless- GS is killing it THIS year.

Whoa! Flood had talent his first three years that was way above what Schiano 2.0 had in his first three. Now the subsequent decline in talent could be the result of a number of things, some his and some the lack of support (read money and assistant coaches) he received.