to think that Flood got us better results at 500k and people want to give Greg an extension?????
Let’s Be Realistic
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stop, you guys act like Ash left nothing but that's already been disproven time and time again
stop making excuses
Ahhh- and thus, why before the year started, I said this is the year I needed to see something. And I have come about and very vocal to say- oh heck yeah, I see something I haven't seen in a long time. People go into every single game with hope. Even if it is the 2 or 3 team in the country.
Compare OL and DL and get back to me. How about QB? WR?
Ash is his starting point, just as Shea was for his first time around. If you look at Flood, a 9-4 team was his starting point, which he ran down to a 4-8 team before he was let go.
If Schiano wins here, it will secure Schiano's legacy. No one will care about Hobbs.
I still recall the night at the RAC after Hobbs stopped discussions with Schiano. There was palpable hate in the building for him. There was palpable hate inside Stuff Yer Face beforehand among long time fands. I talked to longtime football boosters who chose not to wear a Rutgers shirt that night in protest. There was an outcry from fans, boosters applied pressure, and Schiano was eventually hired. Hobbs won't be remembered for anything that Schiano achieves in football. But you can believe it if you want.
A lot of truth to this. His assistant coaching salary pool was minuscule which is why he had a revolving door at those positions. Plus, it didn't help that Tim Pernetti was fired after his first year there, and then Julie Hermann came in and undercut him her first season On The Banks (2013). Given she had zero experience working with a college football program (someone explain that one to me!) she was an absolute disaster in the position.
I was chatting with some folks whom you would place on the inside at the time that Hobbs broke off discussion with Schiano. Not third level donors. High level folks on the football booster side. And they were furious with Hobbs. And you could feel it all in the crowd at the RAC that night.
That Greg had a list and negotiations occurred thereafter about that list is a very different thing from publicly breaking off discussions. He had a list his first time around, and a deal was done without publicly breaking off negotiations. The only difference the second time was Hobbs. It's funny to watch how he stalks Schiano now just to be near him as much as possible. You can see Schiano simply putting up with it because that's what he does.
lol ok sport
you guys are funny, it's why we're stuck sucking wang for 6 wins and not better
wrong, it's Flood as Flood did far more with his players. I don't think anyone would argue that Flood was far superior on gameday. I think Greg would make a fantastic AD but he's like Marty Schottenheimer where he'll always hit a low ceiling due to no fault other than his own
Everything will be done in the offseason, imo. Rutgers is an exceptional situation where a coach has come back, and resurrected the program for the 2nd time. And said coach has a significant payment discrepancy with the rest of the coaches in the league. Either we correct the discrepancy, or the market will correct it for us. Hobbs is going to be proactive and correct it.
What you don’t understand is Rutgers could pay a lot more, and receive a lot less. This job is not your average college football job. It requires a hell of a lot of work.
His recruiting strategy has been snake eyes.
These days he is working smarter, not harder.
It took Chris Ash 4 years to realize he should be recruiting Florida and should spend less effort in the Midwest. We cannot afford any more learning curves while a coach tries to figure it out.
Recruiting at Rutgers is an efficient machine now and is only going to get better, thx to our bowl season. Rutgers Football has something it hasn’t had in a long, long time. Credibility. Schiano will soon be rewarded for that.
4 pages and the one obvious thing to me is if Schiano had the team 4-4 right now a few numb nuts would be saying he should be 6-2. Now they find reasons why 6-2 is no good. Their hatred for the man is pathetic. Miserable emeffers.
The basis for my position is that RU isn’t rolling in money and you’d only be competing against yourself if you offer him an extension now. We don’t need to now. Wait a year.
IDK, I am at a good number of donor events and I don't see that dynamic at all. No stalking. Greg seems truly appreciative of what Hobbs does. Is he sincere? Only he and those closest to him know. IIRC, he even said what occurred is in the past. He has spoken many times to true alignment.
Even at the high level, these donors may have their own biases and/or incorrect view of things. It really doesn't do the football program or Athletics any good to continue to dredge this crap up.
I understand this is in the context of a purported negotiation that has not happened yet. But I revert back to the original deal he signed. No escalation clauses at all? And the link somei posted above has a bonus structure for major bowls, etc, that IMO are pretty lame. They should have been much higher.
I would hope to see the following over the next 5 plus years
OSU, Mich and PSU will be an uphill climb where these teams are likely to dominate head to head
Wisconsin and USC will most likely win most against Rutgers
Maryland, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and UCLA play them even
Michigan State Rutgers wins more than they lose
NW Purdue Indiana Nebraska Rutgers wins most
The difficulty is that Rutgers faces the 3 best teams every year. It will be interesting to see how that shakes out with the extended conference.
I forgot about Oregon and Washington- that just adds to the difficulty.
OSU, Mich and PSU will be an uphill climb where these teams are likely to dominate head to head
Wisconsin and USC will most likely win most against Rutgers
Maryland, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and UCLA play them even
Michigan State Rutgers wins more than they lose
NW Purdue Indiana Nebraska Rutgers wins most
The difficulty is that Rutgers faces the 3 best teams every year. It will be interesting to see how that shakes out with the extended conference.
I forgot about Oregon and Washington- that just adds to the difficulty.
You make no sense. Your entire premise is based on one better year outside of the B1G by Flood with the last of Schiano recruits in 2014. If you say no, then look at the team, the bulk was from the 2010, 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes all committed to Schiano.
Schiano went
3-6 (3-6)
5-8 (2-7)
4-8 (1-8)
6-2 (3-2)
Chris Ash went
2-10 (0-9)
4-8 (3-6)
1-11 (0-9)
1-4 (0-3)
Flood was only in the B1G for two years
8-5 (3-5)
4-8 (1-7)
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If he can go .500 against next year's brutal schedule, I would consider an extension at that point. Let's wait an see. $$$$
Let's also be fair- a good portion of the group Greg left- were gone shortly after. The draft after 2012 pretty much shows that. And some of the big recruits- never worked- Shuler, Huggins and even Hamilton, never lived up to their ratings.
So, the inherited team, did very well. And then most of them were gone and there were no coaches to speak of, the Admin became an issue and Flood really wasnt ready and was left on an island.
Ash would have had the 2012 team at 4-8 to start day one.
that's odd considering there is none of that here. are you a tinfoil hat kind of guy?
Nah- I think he fairly nailed it on the head. Hell, we could have even beaten Wisc this year and be 7-1 and the same group would still be asking "but who did we beat"
I'm torn. I really dislike our ultra conservative play on offense. It has a ceiling. If we end up with 6 wins, after finding out the state of the programs we beat this year, meh. Iowa tries on offense and can't score. We have to beat them this year.
The past couple of years have seemed really sloppy (penalties and poor use of TO's). We've seen that garbage go away this year, but shouldn't that be the expectation.
We just added 4 teams to the conference where schiano ball ain't gonna work.
GS 1.0 rarely beat teams with winning records. GS 2.0 has yet to do it.
8 wins and he writes his number. 6 wins? Extend him a year.
The past couple of years have seemed really sloppy (penalties and poor use of TO's). We've seen that garbage go away this year, but shouldn't that be the expectation.
We just added 4 teams to the conference where schiano ball ain't gonna work.
GS 1.0 rarely beat teams with winning records. GS 2.0 has yet to do it.
8 wins and he writes his number. 6 wins? Extend him a year.
There is a progression the offense has to go through. This year we’re winning with ugly ball. Next year, Wimsatt should show incremental improvement to boost his completion % to 55%. And we’ll have better though Green talent in the WR Corp in the form of Korey Duff and Ben Black and Crumpler. But Two years from now, the offense will really take flight, and we’ll have a good chance of knocking off better regarded programs.
Why not use these next four games to up Wimsatt's passing game? I'm not talking about throwing it all over the place. But playing the next four games like we played Indiana would miss a great opportunity to get Wimsatt involved with an effective passing offense to go with the running offense.
If that's what will be needed in the future, why not take advantage of this very unusual situation now when Rutgers has already qualified for the post season?
Never said we passed by any program. Does anyone here actually follow college football? If you do then you know the NW and MSU programs are in disarray, once they get their houses in order, especially MSU, games against them should be very competitive. Virginia Tech is also in a rebuild, so again, once they emerge from the rebuild they should be in much better shape. As far as Temple and Wagner, well let's be honest, those are throw away programs. The only program that arguably we have surpassed is Indiana, and in year 4 of a rebuild is that considered a major accomplishment if we are keeping it real?
Ehhh...I forgot about the reports on Hobbs resisting Schiano. But they are working together now for a common goal. As far as me struggling to find something, I just threw out a scenario in response to a question someone asked. Ain't no struggling here.
LOL...have you actually followed Rutgers football the last decade???? We have six friggin' wins!
Can you please translate this into English? Pretty please?
Won't play all 3 B1G East heavyweights each year. But you'll probably add a West Coast heavyweight.
Wasn't clear in your writing. And, yeah, I know where the scoreboard was and why. It is your writing that did not make that clear.That’s exactly what the scoreboard and post means
On that charity thing. I have experienced a lot of different charity events as part of a business.. what do the kids say.. a "side hustle" for a few years. Didn't make much money but it provided a service these events needed.
Tell you what.. the people that show up to volunteer.. especially those that bring their children.. just great people. The kind of people everyone should want to be around and want their children to be around.
Flood got the Big Ten membership handed to him and he did not cash in on any new recruitment or donation possibilities. The team was far better when it was handed to him than it was when he left. That was not true for GS 1.0 and will not be true for GS 2.0. I pray we fans and Rutgers administration are not so foolish to bring about the need for a GS 3.0.
The Rutgers administtation wasn't doing any cashing in either.
No sorry it wasn’t my writing. It was your inability to understand the difference between D ( defense) and the previous depth. “ where’s the D Doug “ was about his defense.
Sure.. it wasn't your writing. You feel better clearing that up?
The word "defense" never appears in the message to which I responded. But "depth" was there. "Doug" was there. Even the concept of defense was not brought up.. tutoring, talent and depth. Yeah.. YOU knew it was about defense.. but no one reading this who did not already know that would get that from what you wrote. Yeah.. "D" is a nickname for defense.
By the way.. the proper scoreboard quote is "Hey oug, where's the D?"
And I think I even remember what it cost at that time to get a message on the Superdome scoreboard.. $75, Some Rutgers fan paid $75 in.. 1995... to stick that on the scoreboard.. a bad Tulane team (that would finish 2-9) that we beat 45-40 and we'd finish Grabers final year at 4-7 dropping a game to BC at home, again, with little defense.
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I just can’t handle this stupid crap. If you follow football- we have been crap for a F-int decade. The fact that we are expected to beat programs in their first year of disarray is - I’m not even sure how to put it.
It is like some of you are in a vacuum.
And if a single year just knocked MSU and NWU behind us, shouldn’t that tell you something?
Bulgari and Johnson were pretty good. Everyone else- either decent or meh. No depth
Carroo didn’t have a catch in 2012 and just 28 in 2013
I don't recall every directly calling another poster's comment "stupid crap," yet I get accused of insulting others! You do realize that the futile and furious 4 or 5 (the guy you are replying to, Brg90, Shelby, and Rutgers95) never have anything nice to say and your words are wasted on them.
Let’s also not forget that Flood’s 8-5 team played 4 non-conference games (one less BIG game). If you want to talk about beating teams with winning records, at this point in that season, Rutgers hadn’t beaten anyone in that category. Navy was the closest at 4-4 but if anyone thinks their wins over VMI, Texas State, San Jose and Temple were superior to VTech’s 2023 resume, well I don’t know what to tell you. That’s laughable.
We were SO bad in the trenches which is the one area you can’t really quick fix plug via the portal. Sutton was our best player on the OL before he got injured. He was a redshirt frosh. Behind him and O’Neal we had nothing. The DL was very bad too and that’s where Schiano came through in the portal and also with coaching. He made an impact there right away.
All this said - I don’t disagree with the idea that pretty much any coach would’ve done better with the players we did have. You know it can’t get worse than Ash when his replacement (a high school coach) comes in and beats an 8-5 Liberty team that beat a decent Buffalo team and lost a close game to BYU. In 3.5 years on the banks, how many wins did Ash collect that were better than that Liberty win besides Purdue? Were there any?
So you evidently knew what was written and understood. Thanks for cleaning that up
Nobody said the word defense appeared …So you evidently knew what was written and understood. Thanks for cleaning that up
