Let’s get rid of Qualified Immunity for real change! Maybe we can all agree on this? Poll Added!

[BigTimeTiger]

You want something that will have a profound change in law enforcement practices? How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers that commit crimes! They need to be convicted of breaking the law for this to apply! It is the only answer IMO. Give them a deductible of the cost of the median house cost in their towns/county of service. Or say just $150,000, anything over that you can sue them for. That would stop empowerment of the bad apples for sure. Heck just get rid of it altogether, with the threat of financial loss of their homes. They wouldn’t be so emboldened. You could also afford to give them better benefits because no more bad apples on the pension funds. BTW I Back The Blue! and All Lives Matter!

Would love to hear from the No voters. I know some may vote no just to make old BTT look silly. If you do that you’re part of the problem.

 

[Ron Munson]

You want something that will have a profound change in law enforcement practices? How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers? It is the only answer IMO. Give them a deductible of the cost of the median house cost in their towns/county of service. Or say just $150,000, anything over that you can sue them for. That would stop empowerment of the bad apples for sure. Heck just get rid of it altogether, with the threat of financial loss of their homes. They wouldn’t be so emboldened. You could also afford to give them better benefits because no more bad apples on the pension funds. BTW I Back The Blue! and All Lives Matter!

Agree 100%

 

[CU91ENGR]

You want something that will have a profound change in law enforcement practices? How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers? It is the only answer IMO. Give them a deductible of the cost of the median house cost in their towns/county of service. Or say just $150,000, anything over that you can sue them for. That would stop empowerment of the bad apples for sure. Heck just get rid of it altogether, with the threat of financial loss of their homes. They wouldn’t be so emboldened. You could also afford to give them better benefits because no more bad apples on the pension funds. BTW I Back The Blue! and All Lives Matter!

Holy crap, we agree on something

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Holy crap, we agree on something

Oh **** Scratch That!

 

[Ron Munson]

Some examples:

Andersson and the ACLU are representing Alexander Baxter, a Tennessee man, in one of the cases discussed by the justices Thursday. Baxter was bitten in the armpit by a police dog after surrendering to Nashville police who responded to a report of a residential burglary. The dog was released by one of the officers, Spencer Harris, after Baxter sat on the ground and raised his hands in surrender, according to the ACLU's petition with the Supreme Court.

Another dispute before the Supreme Court involves a 10-year-old boy in Georgia who was shot by a police officer after pursuing a suspect into the boy's yard. The officer fired two shots at the family's dog, missing both times, but hitting the 10-year-old in the knee.

In a third case, an Idaho woman gave police consent, and her keys, to enter her home to search for her ex-boyfriend, who was wanted on an outstanding warrant. But law enforcement instead fired tear-gas grenades into the house in an effort to draw the man, who wasn't there, out. Instead, it destroyed the house and displaced the woman, Shaniz West, and her children for two months.

 

[gotigers24]

Also do away with the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture, and the militarization of police forces.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Some examples:

Andersson and the ACLU are representing Alexander Baxter, a Tennessee man, in one of the cases discussed by the justices Thursday. Baxter was bitten in the armpit by a police dog after surrendering to Nashville police who responded to a report of a residential burglary. The dog was released by one of the officers, Spencer Harris, after Baxter sat on the ground and raised his hands in surrender, according to the ACLU's petition with the Supreme Court.

Another dispute before the Supreme Court involves a 10-year-old boy in Georgia who was shot by a police officer after pursuing a suspect into the boy's yard. The officer fired two shots at the family's dog, missing both times, but hitting the 10-year-old in the knee.

In a third case, an Idaho woman gave police consent, and her keys, to enter her home to search for her ex-boyfriend, who was wanted on an outstanding warrant. But law enforcement instead fired tear-gas grenades into the house in an effort to draw the man, who wasn't there, out. Instead, it destroyed the house and displaced the woman, Shaniz West, and her children for two months.

I would like for it to apply for criminal actions only. Not just stupidity but I understand. Those seem like unfortunate accidents for the most part.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Also do away with the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture, and the militarization of police forces.

No to 1 & 3 but.
We need to keep civil asset forfeiture if they are convicted of the crime committed.

 

[Ron Munson]

Also do away with the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture, and the militarization of police forces.

Yep. As well as no- knock warrants.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

You want something that will have a profound change in law enforcement practices? How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers that commit crimes! They need to be convicted of breaking the law for this to apply! It is the only answer IMO. Give them a deductible of the cost of the median house cost in their towns/county of service. Or say just $150,000, anything over that you can sue them for. That would stop empowerment of the bad apples for sure. Heck just get rid of it altogether, with the threat of financial loss of their homes. They wouldn’t be so emboldened. You could also afford to give them better benefits because no more bad apples on the pension funds. BTW I Back The Blue! and All Lives Matter!

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“How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers that commit crimes! They need to be convicted of breaking the law for this to apply!”

They could lose it all. No home shelter.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Yep. As well as no- knock warrants.

I agree on this one

 

[Death-ValleyTiger]

Also do away with the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture, and the militarization of police forces.

Agree with all of these. These have been abused for years.

 

[cu1974]

You want something that will have a profound change in law enforcement practices? How about changing the rules of law on Qualified Immunity for police officers that commit crimes! They need to be convicted of breaking the law for this to apply! It is the only answer IMO. Give them a deductible of the cost of the median house cost in their towns/county of service. Or say just $150,000, anything over that you can sue them for. That would stop empowerment of the bad apples for sure. Heck just get rid of it altogether, with the threat of financial loss of their homes. They wouldn’t be so emboldened. You could also afford to give them better benefits because no more bad apples on the pension funds. BTW I Back The Blue! and All Lives Matter!

How about you pay them more so you get a better pool of candidates? Your idea would insure that they would avoid a lot of situations out of fear. I’d pay more taxes for police salaries and not administrative costs.

 

[SDTiger9]

Yep. As well as no- knock warrants.

The no-knock warrants fascinate me. Recent EMT death comes to mind. Ridiculous.

You are going after someone with a clear criminal reason. It’s pretty clear “the people” want this person so you are doing everything you can to prepare....... and you invade the wrong house.

There is ZERO.ZERO reasons for this mistake.
Be like the Marines taking over Grenada and storm Barbados instead.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

How about you pay them more so you get a better pool of candidates? Your idea would insure that they would avoid a lot of situations out of fear. I’d pay more taxes for police salaries and not administrative costs.

That could be part of it too. It was my intention with the pension comment. Make it a huge incentive

 

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Please join in, not a swipe just a friendly invitation.
Please invite others from both sides if i missed in any in reply to this.

 

[cu1974]

That could be part of it too. It was my intention with the pension comment. Make it a huge incentive

I am open. This guy was a bouncer at a bar from what I read also a former porn actor. Not exactly someone that should have a badge and gun.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

I am open. This guy was a bouncer at a bar from what I read also a former porn actor. Not exactly someone that should have a badge and gun.

My wife was in a abusive relationship with a Deputy Sheriff so I know all about the bad apples. She was hospitalized twice and nothing happened to him. Trust me, 6-5 235 (after dropping all my bad weight and in the best shape of my life) solved her problem with him lol

 

[Ron Munson]

The no-knock warrants fascinate me. Recent EMT death comes to mind. Ridiculous.

You are going after someone with a clear criminal reason. It’s pretty clear “the people” want this person so you are doing everything you can to prepare....... and you invade the wrong house.

There is ZERO.ZERO reasons for this mistake.
Be like the Marines taking over Grenada and storm Barbados instead.

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

 

[SDTiger9]

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

Been in sales 25 years.... went to the wrong customer location 3 times. Each of those 3 times, I didn’t enter the building. Verified the address before entering.

If you can’t verify the address, especially in the middle of the night, maybe don’t storm down the door.

And disgusting that homeowner was even charged with murder. Pathetic.

 

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join in others not a swipe just a friendly invitation

Well now my feelings are hurt.

 

[BHSRebels89]

This is great but even then, the Sheriff or head of each department needs to make sure all their officers understand that they’re not gonna be “looked after” if they screw up. Leadership has to be onboard for accountability to happen.

 

[other1]

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

Christian Wilkens father was killed this way in Framingham, Mass.

 

[Ron Munson]

Christian Wilkens father was killed this way in Framingham, Mass.

Didn't know that, but just googled it. Terrible. I just don't understand how a no knock warrant can be constitutional

 

[BigTimeTiger]

This is great but even then, the Sheriff or head of each department needs to make sure all their officers understand that they’re not gonna be “looked after” if they screw up. Leadership has to be onboard for accountability to happen.

Seen and experienced that part of it. I agree that’s culture and better leadership is needed to change that.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Christian Wilkens father was killed this way in Framingham, Mass.

Yes was a very tragic event and Christian is a shining example of how Christ would have handled it IMO. Would not shock me to see him as a President one day.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Well now my feelings are hurt.

I intended to but forgot and ran out of time.

 

[Spare Jock]

I just got left off the longest tag list ever. Humbling.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

I just got left off the longest tag list ever. Humbling.

I knew you would find your way
I’m still adding to it.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I don’t really know what to do about it, to be honest. I think it mostly stems from having an armed populace, which means you have to arm the police even more, and that the police are always on guard for people who are armed. If you look at some other similar countries, they don’t have close to the our number of police shootings. They also don’t have nearly as much violent crime, whether using guns or otherwise. So maybe enforcing gun laws would help?

Another thing is that we need to do more to address the conditions that put people in a position that makes them more likely to commit crime. That, ultimately, is what will lead to less police shootings. But it’s probably the heaviest lift of all.

 

[GilaMonsta]

I am open. This guy was a bouncer at a bar from what I read also a former porn actor. Not exactly someone that should have a badge and gun.

They were both bouncers (once even at the same place, ironically). But Floyd was actually the porn star.

 

[cctiger94]

I knew you would find your way
I’m still adding to it.

Yeah I'm kinda kicking sand and rocks right now. NOBODY likes me. I'm taking this here Ball and

 

[MillerHighLife21]

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

Criminal Justice reform of this nature was a big part of Rand's platform in 2016. Didn't pay off for him.

 

[padtigers]

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

Man I have often wondered how a situation like you described would play out. He was lucky Rand Paul got involved. That is a crazy situation for sure and anyone would protect their home in that situation.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

Criminal Justice reform of this nature was a big part of Rand's platform in 2016. Didn't pay off for him.

Can’t believe I forgot that handle

 

[castlesl]

Christian Wilkens father was killed this way in Framingham, Mass.

Not exactly. While the police were at the wrong house, The officer slipped and fell and his gun accidentally discharged as he was falling. Obviously i wasn’t there, so i don’t know if that is actually what happened, but that is what the official reason was. Just a tragic accident.

 

[TylerHumpFrow13]

There was one a few years ago in Georgia. Feds, with the aid of the sheriff's department, did a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night for drugs I believe. They actually went in the wrong house. Homeowner wakes up, no clue what is going on, he sees someone in his bedroom, that never identified himself as a deputy. The homeowner shoots and kills him. Of course he gets arrested and they try him for murder....even though they were in the wrong house.

Rand Paul got involved and thankfully got the guy off

There have been numerous others where they went to the wrong house and killed the owners dog.

Didn't know that, but just googled it. Terrible. I just don't understand how a no knock warrant can be constitutional

That's insane. I can't imagine waking up to strangers just strolling through my house in the middle of the night and then I get arrested for doing something about it. And of course I would do something about it. What do law enforcement expect people to do when they find strangers just walking around in their homes in the middle of the night? Criminal or not, you have a constitutional right to defend your own home. That's just complete ******** to me.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

I don’t really know what to do about it, to be honest. I think it mostly stems from having an armed populace, which means you have to arm the police even more, and that the police are always on guard for people who are armed. If you look at some other similar countries, they don’t have close to the our number of police shootings. They also don’t have nearly as much violent crime, whether using guns or otherwise. So maybe enforcing gun laws would help?

Another thing is that we need to do more to address the conditions that put people in a position that makes them more likely to commit crime. That, ultimately, is what will lead to less police shootings. But it’s probably the heaviest lift of all.

I understand your points but don’t agree with infringement of liberties and I really think anyone in America can make it unless physically or mentally challenged. If they are committing crimes they decide to break the law. There are organizations that will help you if you feel you have to be a criminal to survive.

I really truly think the main problem is police culture. This would break down the old police cultures that may exist in places and cause changes in their culture like never before. Combined with better pay it could be a solution to the problem. I feel both sides can agree on this. Just look so far this thread is bipartisan looking. It could be a building block.

 

[padtigers]

That's insane. I can't imagine waking up to strangers just strolling through my house in the middle of the night and then I get arrested for doing something about it. And of course I would do something about it. What do law enforcement expect people to do when they find strangers just walking around in their homes in the middle of the night? Criminal or not, you have a constitutional right to defend your own home. That's just complete ******** to me.

No joke. The "no knock warrants" seem like a direct violation of the 4th Amendment. How do these even hold up in court @Ron Munson

 

[Frog209]

Agree with everything in this thread, but think the topic of demilitarized police is too broad. When you go to some hick town, and they are rolling around with assault gear and they have MRAP equivalent vehicles, I agree 100% with you. However, some of these cops in urban environments are out gunned, simply put. They are going into conflict with ****** gear compared to what they are facing. In those instances, the cops need the gear that may save their lives and the lives of bystanders. Other than that, this thread is spot on.