Let me get this straight. Win 1 game against a D1 team with a winning record,

[blacklistedbully]

..and you're suddenly "on-the-rise", a media darling and a hot-spot for national recruits??

Seriously, they play TAMU close only because TAMU commits 6 turnovers. The only D1 team with a winning record they beat was, sadly, us. They got their asses handed to them a few times. They beat a 6-7 Pitt in one of the least-respected bowls going. They get to 6-6 regular season largely because Auburn & Arky have epic meltdowns in the same year, otherwise they probably come into the Egg Bowl at best 3-8. Even if we also lose those 2 games, we'd be 6-5. Hard to imagine Ole Miss playing as pumped up in the Egg Bowl staring at another terrible season.

Talk about propaganda!

 

[4suredog]

And yet another reason to hate Auburn....

 

[DawgBot]

Am I the only one that remembers they barely beat Arkansas? Not only that...they were very lucky to beat Arkansas. If Wilson doesn't inexplicably play like **** for part of the game, they win. Seems like no one mentions this when they are talking about the close games.

 

[was21]

Shirley you understand.

 

[chew1095]

Lets not forget the moral victory against UT.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

By your title line I thought you were talking about MSU...

We beat one BCS team with a winning record last year, I don't think MSU can say that. Unless MTSU moved to a BCS conference, its hard to keep up.

We played LSU pretty damn close some would say. We played A&M just a little closer than y'all did, and then rolled y'all in the egg bowl despite y'all having the more experienced and talented team. Now the reason for the excitement is easy to understand, we return basically everyone on offense and defense next year. We played every team on our schedule close except Bama and UGA, and UGA leaves the schedule next year. We look to be having a great recruiting year, since ESPN is sending a crew to our campus on signing day (One of only 13 schools in the country) and we have a good shot to land the number 1 player in the country and maybe even grab a few more talented players both in-state and out of state.

If you don't want to see why Ole Miss is receiving some positive press heading into next season, that is fine you can choose not to see it but its not the normal Ole Miss spin machines like the Clarion Ledger or the Sun Herald, its ESPN and as much as we like to think our propaganda machine can reach to Bristol, normally they have a mind of their own.

At the end of the day, some MSU fans have said that y'all over looked the game and simply mailed it in, and maybe you are right, maybe the better team lost. I know I said the same thing on here in 2009 and had tons of support.

 

[archdog]

You were better in 2009, we were better this past year, but sadly that is why we play the games. I believe both programs are working in the right direction right now.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

If you'd keep it with the actual results, no one would argue with you. Regular season (which is where I judge), you went 6-6 vs. our 8-4. Texas game vs. our patsy game gives you another win. So we were a game better than you all in the end. You won the Egg Bowl, plus, we beat Tennessee and Kentucky vs. ya'll getting beat by Vandy and Georgia, who were good teams. So with scheduling and beating us, I figure you've earned the right to talk some **** about how we were equal, especially the projections into next year. I got no problem giving you credit.

See, when you start talking about what you ALMOST did to LSU and Texas A&M, that gets homeristic. You could also say those teams weren't ready to play you because nobody had a bull's eye on Ole Miss this year. You also can't really predict how we'd have played Vanderbilt. Or Texas. We rolled up Arkansas and ya'll were close to getting beat by them. Would Ole Miss have beaten Tennessee, before they mailed it in? I mean, none of that **** adds up to anything.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Were they that much better in 2009? Maybe a little bit, sort of like we were this year. But take Houston and Georgia Tech off our schedule and replace them with whoever they had in 2009, we may be looking at 7-5 instead of 5-7. They probably are doing the same, although they'd have likely beaten one of Houston or Tech.

I think we're starting to see that Ole Miss' rise in 2008 was due to a bunch of NFL starters in Oher, Wallace and Jerry.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

You forgot about Texas

Other than that, I agree with most of your post - except that none of that at all explains why you're suddenly catnip to the 5*s of the world.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Dude, it's ALL Nkemdiche. They are in on him because of his brother, no more, no less. I got a feeling Ole Miss is the one that's going to get hat-faked come signing day by some of these guys.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

I wouldn't say ALL Nkemdiche. Treadwell's former teammate and best friend Anthony Standifer got him to come visit during the summer and that was when his interest was piqued. Really, the only recruits directly connected to Nkemdiche are Daniel and Tunsil, and Tunsil probably isn't signing with Ole Miss, though I wouldn't be just floored if he did.

I realize this is a State board but I feel like the coaching staff gets no credit when they are in fact busting their asses, especially Heard, Kiffin, Harris, and McGriff.

ETA: Ryan Buchanan and Treadwell are the ones working CJ so hard.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

Do you want a non slush fund answer on recruiting?

Cause here ya go:

As far as our best recruits:

Laquon Treadwell - We signed Anthony Standifer the year before and apparently it was a calculated decision by our staff since they are extremely close. Standifer was at press conference and that is why Treadwell came down so many times on unofficial visits. That got our foot in the door and due to the success our WR's showed this year, I would say that the offense didn't look like a Houston Nutt offense. At the end of the day, it all comes down to signing Standifer the year before, we don't sign him we don't get Treadwell plain and simple.

Robert Nkedmiche - Replace Standifer with Denzel and its the same deal. If we play like **** and win two games this year, we don't get Robert. We didn't. His mom wants him here and really his commitment makes the most sense out of all of our current commits. We don't sign Denzel, he doesn't come to Ole Miss, pretty simple.

Kailo Moore - The guy was committed to OM for months, then flips to MSU and then flips back to OM. Its not like landing a kid who has as many family connections to OM as Kailo does should be a surprise to anyone.

Elijah Daniel - He is the first player we have a commitment from that we don't have a prior relationship with other than Tom Allen who used to coach in the Indy area. Now you add in the fact that players like RN and LT have been been recruiting him since December, his commitment makes a little more sense. At the end of the day, his top two was MSU and OM so suffice it to say that he had two schools in his top two that aren't traditional SEC powers.

Laremy Tunsil - First, we ain't getting him. Second, the reason he is visiting him is because RN recruited his *** off for us at the UA game. Its not a coincidence. At the end of the day though, the kid signs with UGA.

Austin Golson - Luckily for us FSU's entire staff has left and we had an in with him through Christian Morgan since they were both prior FSU commits. FSU is losing commits to everyone, not just OM. Also, nothing official on Golson yet either, its a long 7 days.

Tony Conner - Kid is from Batesville, of course we are going to be in it. I really think Bama may land him, especially if Von Bell doesn't go to Bama. At the end of the day though, if we did sign Conner how is that a surprise?

Mark Dodson - We have the former Whitehaven HS coach on our coaching staff. Should be no surprise we land him.

Christian Morgan - We offered his sister a volleyball scholarship which I think helped. Very smart move.

Its a lot easier to just say that we throw money at recruits and not dig just a little deeper and think that there may be some other reason as to why we are getting these players. Also, we haven't landed more than half of the guys I just listed, its a long way until signing day. I hope we land most of them, we probably won't, but if we just land RN and TC on signing day, I will be very, very happy with our class.

 

[maroonmania]

I have no doubt...

I wouldn't say ALL Nkemdiche. Treadwell's former teammate and best friend Anthony Standifer got him to come visit during the summer and that was when his interest was piqued. Really, the only recruits directly connected to Nkemdiche are Daniel and Tunsil, and Tunsil probably isn't signing with Ole Miss, though I wouldn't be just floored if he did.I realize this is a State board but I feel like the coaching staff gets no credit when they are in fact busting their asses, especially Heard, Kiffin, Harris, and McGriff.ETA: Ryan Buchanan and Treadwell are the ones working CJ so hard.

but there are a lot of other staffs out there busting their asses too and its just really weird for a team that's won 12 regular season games over the past 3 seasons combined to be recruiting at the level of teams that have been vying for NCs (Top 10 type class) over that same time span no matter what the coaching staff is doing. Especially when you aren't even pulling most of those guys from nearby.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Thanks

Actually makes sense. You're one of about 2 ole miss posters on here who doesn't need to go suck a gigantic bag of dicks.

You guys recruit the fambly damn well. It's still weird for a team that has so few wins in the past 3 years to have such a stellar recruiting class. Unless you read more into stuff like the Treadwell cash money tweets.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Treadwell is the one that people are questioning, more than anything. At least for me. The rest are understandable.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

Treadwell is more understandable than Golson in my opinion...

Standifer and Treadwell are extremely close. He is the sole reason we got Treadwell on campus to even visit.

If we pull Golson, it will be a very big pull and pretty unexpected in my opinion.

 

[sickasadawg]

5 paragraphs and yet not one reason why? Try again.

 

[CooterBrown.sixpack]

If you'd keep it with the actual results, no one would argue with you. Regular season (which is where I judge), you went 6-6 vs. our 8-4. Texas game vs. our patsy game gives you another win. So we were a game better than you all in the end. You won the Egg Bowl, plus, we beat Tennessee and Kentucky vs. ya'll getting beat by Vandy and Georgia, who were good teams. So with scheduling and beating us, I figure you've earned the right to talk some **** about how we were equal, especially the projections into next year. I got no problem giving you credit.

See, when you start talking about what you ALMOST did to LSU and Texas A&M, that gets homeristic. You could also say those teams weren't ready to play you because nobody had a bull's eye on Ole Miss this year. You also can't really predict how we'd have played Vanderbilt. Or Texas. We rolled up Arkansas and ya'll were close to getting beat by them. Would Ole Miss have beaten Tennessee, before they mailed it in? I mean, none of that **** adds up to anything.

That's a really good post. I pretty much agree with everything that you've said.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I'd think more of it if you were beating out Alabama and Auburn for him. I highly doubt that's the case. He may have the listed offers, I don't know, but if Alabama/Auburn want a guy in Alabama, they usually get him. At least if they make them a priority. Same with Christian Morgan and Texas, Kincade, whoever else. Just the way it goes.

Everybody knows Nkemdiche has any offer he wants, but he has the blood connection. Treadwell apparently has any offer he wants (according to Ole Miss fans), so him coming just based on a friend, is a bit sketchy to me.

Just because a guy is 4 star doesn't mean everybody wants them. This 4 star Fred Ross dude from Texas we may get, pretty obvious Texas and A&M aren't after him, I don't care if Scout/Rivals list an offer or not.

And to answer your other question...yes, your coaches are to be commended. I'm a Freeze fan, you've never seen me say anything bad about him.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

I don't think the recruits are concerned with what happened before Freeze got there. If anything, it's encouraging. Two seasons ago, Ole Miss won 2 games and were lucky to not lose by 40+ every week. One season later, under a different coach, Ole Miss wins 7 games and wasn't too far away from potentially 10 with a team full of sophomores and freshmen.

 

[blacklistedbully]

By your title line I thought you were talking about MSU...

We beat one BCS team with a winning record last year, I don't think MSU can say that. Unless MTSU moved to a BCS conference, its hard to keep up.

We played LSU pretty damn close some would say. We played A&M just a little closer than y'all did, and then rolled y'all in the egg bowl despite y'all having the more experienced and talented team. Now the reason for the excitement is easy to understand, we return basically everyone on offense and defense next year. We played every team on our schedule close except Bama and UGA, and UGA leaves the schedule next year. We look to be having a great recruiting year, since ESPN is sending a crew to our campus on signing day (One of only 13 schools in the country) and we have a good shot to land the number 1 player in the country and maybe even grab a few more talented players both in-state and out of state.

If you don't want to see why Ole Miss is receiving some positive press heading into next season, that is fine you can choose not to see it but its not the normal Ole Miss spin machines like the Clarion Ledger or the Sun Herald, its ESPN and as much as we like to think our propaganda machine can reach to Bristol, normally they have a mind of their own.

At the end of the day, some MSU fans have said that y'all over looked the game and simply mailed it in, and maybe you are right, maybe the better team lost. I know I said the same thing on here in 2009 and had tons of support.

Guess you conveniently forgot about the ***-whooping you took from Texas, huh?

We also played LSU close, with the game-changer being the LSU 100 yd INT return for TD in the 4th Q. You played TAMU closer ONLY becuase of the 4 t/o margin. Any sports bookie or stats-man will tell you a 4 t/o margin difference on average equates to a 32-point swing, 4 points taken for every t/o committed, and 4 points on the + side for the team getting the t/o. Part of the game, sure, but if y'all were to play them again, you'd be expected to lose by around 35 points. While that makes no diff in the record book, it means quite a lot when determining whether or not a team is "on-the-rise". The fact is, you should be embarrassed and concerned that you couldn't beat a team when you owned a 4 t/o margin. Bragging about it is foolish. You like to say you, "played every team on your schedule close", when you could have as easily said, we only played Vandy & LSU close and were fortunate to not lose to TAMU by 35.

The CL does seem rather biased. As far as other media, they tend to take only the shallowest of looks.

At the end of the day, I think we stunk it up this year. I think Chris Wilson did a horrible job preparing our defense, and I do think we more or less quit on him by the Egg Bowl, much as your players quit on Nutt. I do think Mullen & staff also screwed the pooch with play-calling, particularly in the Egg Bowl & Gator Bowl. 17-17 game at the half that just got outta-hand, with one team wanting it more and establishing their dominance as the other withered & choked. But let's not also forget that Russell got injured in that game. Just might have a little to do with why we punted just once in the first half, but 4 times in the second. Still, you won't find me saying Ole Miss didn't deserve to win, or that it was a fluke. We didn't look very good this year, period. The point of this thread, and the thing that I don't believe you have countered well at all is that Ole Miss appears to be getting way too much credit, way too soon.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Cause here ya go:

As far as our best recruits:

Laquon Treadwell - We signed Anthony Standifer the year before and apparently it was a calculated decision by our staff since they are extremely close. Standifer was at press conference and that is why Treadwell came down so many times on unofficial visits. That got our foot in the door and due to the success our WR's showed this year, I would say that the offense didn't look like a Houston Nutt offense. At the end of the day, it all comes down to signing Standifer the year before, we don't sign him we don't get Treadwell plain and simple.

Robert Nkedmiche - Replace Standifer with Denzel and its the same deal. If we play like **** and win two games this year, we don't get Robert. We didn't. His mom wants him here and really his commitment makes the most sense out of all of our current commits. We don't sign Denzel, he doesn't come to Ole Miss, pretty simple.

Kailo Moore - The guy was committed to OM for months, then flips to MSU and then flips back to OM. Its not like landing a kid who has as many family connections to OM as Kailo does should be a surprise to anyone.

Elijah Daniel - He is the first player we have a commitment from that we don't have a prior relationship with other than Tom Allen who used to coach in the Indy area. Now you add in the fact that players like RN and LT have been been recruiting him since December, his commitment makes a little more sense. At the end of the day, his top two was MSU and OM so suffice it to say that he had two schools in his top two that aren't traditional SEC powers.

Laremy Tunsil - First, we ain't getting him. Second, the reason he is visiting him is because RN recruited his *** off for us at the UA game. Its not a coincidence. At the end of the day though, the kid signs with UGA.

Austin Golson - Luckily for us FSU's entire staff has left and we had an in with him through Christian Morgan since they were both prior FSU commits. FSU is losing commits to everyone, not just OM. Also, nothing official on Golson yet either, its a long 7 days.

Tony Conner - Kid is from Batesville, of course we are going to be in it. I really think Bama may land him, especially if Von Bell doesn't go to Bama. At the end of the day though, if we did sign Conner how is that a surprise?

Mark Dodson - We have the former Whitehaven HS coach on our coaching staff. Should be no surprise we land him.

Christian Morgan - We offered his sister a volleyball scholarship which I think helped. Very smart move.

Its a lot easier to just say that we throw money at recruits and not dig just a little deeper and think that there may be some other reason as to why we are getting these players. Also, we haven't landed more than half of the guys I just listed, its a long way until signing day. I hope we land most of them, we probably won't, but if we just land RN and TC on signing day, I will be very, very happy with our class.

Now this is a solid post.

 

[SignalToNoise]

I personally don't throw around the "Ole Miss pays recruits" line unless I'm bullshitting around with friends. I honestly think OM does a better job of recruiting as a collective unit. You do a better job of selling the image of your program to players, treating them like rock stars on visits, etc. State could learn a thing or two from the way OM does things.

My understanding is that we self-report $100 handshakes. I thought that **** went on everywhere.