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that you were the head coach:

how would of you handled the QB situation??

I can only think of 1 or 2 ways.

The wrong way - string both kids along until game 3 or 4 saying the the starting spot is still up for grabs and you're going to use a 2 QB system until it makes itself clear. (making it more difficult for the QB2 to transfer during season - while knowing who you want at QB1)

The right way - have an open legit competition and allow the best QB1 to get his shot week 1, while not having to look over his shoulder every incomplete pass. Hope that QB2 understands its a long season and sticks around.

Ideally as the years go on and recruiting classes come in we build more depth at QB and competition brings out the best in everyone - also there might be something to be said to staggering your QB recruiting or taking multiple QBs a year
 
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I would have sworn each one to secrecy, then told each of them they won the job. Kidding.

There's no perfect way to handle this, where somebody isn't left out in the cold and feeling like crap. Frost did right by both IMO.
 

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The biggest part of the equation when evaluating 2 players where the competition in practice is very close is how they perform in the actual games. This is particularly crucial at the QB position when both have been in green jerseys and haven't really been subjected to live, full contact.

Given the fact that neither QB has taken a snap in an actual game it would not have been unreasonable to let the competition continue to play out and wait to name a permanent #1 until the staff could evaluate both in actual game situations.

The staff went all in on Martinez without the benefit of the most important set of data - play in an actual game.
The staff could have strung this decision along without it being unfair to either QB.
 
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In this situation, I would have brought in another 1 or 2 runners from either high school or a transfer and then would have looked to have Gebbia transfer early. I think in the grand scheme of things, I would want a solid to runner to run the offense. This has nothing to do with Gebbia, and I would have let him compete, but I would have told him to really work on making himself a dynamic runner, or I would definitely help him look for a fit outside of the program. I would have done that before spring ball started though.

In the grand scheme of things Frost knows what he is doing, and hasn't got to where he is by not having a successful way of doing things. It's human nature to find things to criticize about (especially from fanantics or fans), but the only thing that matters is if he wins. Everyone goes about it their own way, but the bottom line is you need to produce results.
 
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that you were the head coach:

how would of you handled the QB situation??

I can only think of 1 or 2 ways.

The wrong way - string both kids along until game 3 or 4 saying the the starting spot is still up for grabs and you're going to use a 2 QB system until it makes itself clear. (making it more difficult for the QB2 to transfer during season - while knowing who you want at QB1)

The right way - have an open legit competition and allow the best QB1 to get his shot week 1, while not having to look over his shoulder every incomplete pass. Hope that QB2 understands its a long season and sticks around.

Ideally as the years go on and recruiting classes come in we build more depth at QB and competition brings out the best in everyone - also there might be something to be said to staggering your QB recruiting or taking multiple QBs a year
IMO, you don't know for sure what you're going to get out of a freshman QB until he's seen live game action. IMO, Frost should have continued the QB competition through Akron and then let the chips fall where they may. I heard a little too much "the starter is going to have a long leash" and not enough of "we're going to evaluate the position each and every week". Even if you name your starter and don't change it, the other guy has to at least know he has a reasonable chance at playing.
 

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Pleaae, let's be honest about coach Frost. He is young and inexperienced in ALL aspects if being a HC. He served on some staffs but did this scenario ever come up before? He has only been a HC for two years. Any coach, CEO will tell you things change dramatically when you are the one in the HOT seat.
 
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Pleaae, let's be honest about coach Frost. He is young and inexperienced in ALL aspects if being a HC. He served on some staffs but did this scenario ever come up before? He has only been a HC for two years. Any coach, CEO will tell you things change dramatically when you are the one in the HOT seat.

Let's be honest.........this is happening all over college football. This has nothing to do with him being a relatively new head coach.
 
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dinglefritz

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Pleaae, let's be honest about coach Frost. He is young and inexperienced in ALL aspects if being a HC. He served on some staffs but did this scenario ever come up before? He has only been a HC for two years. Any coach, CEO will tell you things change dramatically when you are the one in the HOT seat.
He'll no doubt make a few mistakes along the way. TO himself said he screwed up by not playing Gdowski a year earlier. EVERYBODY has situations in every day life that in hindsight they could have handled differently. From all indications I'm sure Frost thought Gebbia wouldn't be one to take his toys and go home. He was wrong. I think a majority of fans realized that Gebbia would probably leave if he lost the job, just not this quickly maybe.
 

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Let's be honest.........the is happening all over college football. This has nothing to do with him being a new head coach.
Not prolonging the competition through the first game has to do with him being a new coach. IF he ever gets in this situation again I can guarantee you that he drags it out past the first game and NEVER says, "the guy I pick is going to get a long leash" ever again.
 

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Who cares how any of you would handled it cause you are not the coach.
It's still an interesting hypothetical on what we MIGHT have done differently to lessen the chance of a transfer. I suspect Gebbia was going no matter what if he didn't win the job. He might have even left school during the season if Frost had prolonged the competition. You can't change the past. All you can do is do the best you can going forward.
 
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Let's be honest.........the is happening all over college football. This has nothing to do with him being a relatively new head coach.[/QUOTE]

“All over”? What other team in the league has this issue? Indiana?

The ones I can think of are Alabama and K-State but I am sure there are others off the top of my head.The situation itself has nothing to do with him being a new coach but he has already said he would do it differently the next time. And certainly the next time this happens he has this experience to look back on - you don’t think that is worth anything?
 

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that you were the head coach:

how would of you handled the QB situation??

I can only think of 1 or 2 ways.

The wrong way - string both kids along until game 3 or 4 saying the the starting spot is still up for grabs and you're going to use a 2 QB system until it makes itself clear. (making it more difficult for the QB2 to transfer during season - while knowing who you want at QB1)

The right way - have an open legit competition and allow the best QB1 to get his shot week 1, while not having to look over his shoulder every incomplete pass. Hope that QB2 understands its a long season and sticks around.

Ideally as the years go on and recruiting classes come in we build more depth at QB and competition brings out the best in everyone - also there might be something to be said to staggering your QB recruiting or taking multiple QBs a year
If it was really as close as they made it sound. I could see letting them both play the first few games. Maybe even all year. Nebraska has had success with 2 qbs in the past. If one pulls ahead as the year goes on, then announce an official starter and let the other kid transfer come spring.
 

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Let's be honest.........the is happening all over college football. This has nothing to do with him being a relatively new head coach.

“All over”? What other team in the league has this issue? Indiana?

The ones I can think of are Alabama and K-State but I am sure there are others off the top of my head.The situation itself has nothing to do with him being a new coach but he has already said he would do it differently the next time. And certainly the next time this happens he has this experience to look back on - you don’t think that is worth anything?[/QUOTE]
HOW the situation played out has a lot to do with Frost being a new head coach who hasn't had to deal with a QB situation like we had here before. Oregon had I think 6 or 7 QBs on their roster counting walk ons when he was there. UCF had at least 4 scholarship guys. The situation of a QB transferring is common. Having your only other scholarship guy transfer this close to the start of the season has never happened at NU.
 

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Who cares how any of you would handled it cause you are not the coach.
Again, this is a msg board. This is a place where we discuss everything and all things Nebraska, yes even hypothetical s. I don't really understand people having an issue with this type of discussion. If one doesn't like the topic, there are about 100 other to comment and share your input.
 
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Let's be honest.........the is happening all over college football. This has nothing to do with him being a relatively new head coach.

“All over”? What other team in the league has this issue? Indiana?

The ones I can think of are Alabama and K-State but I am sure there are others off the top of my head.The situation itself has nothing to do with him being a new coach but he has already said he would do it differently the next time. And certainly the next time this happens he has this experience to look back on - you don’t think that is worth anything?[/QUOTE]

This is the reality of college football...........

The day after Adrian Martinez was pronounced the winner of Nebraska 's quarterback competition, the runner-up left school.

At Clemson, the arrival of celebrated freshman quarterback Trevor Lawrence sent three other quarterbacks — one a former five-star recruit who signed just last year — looking for new teams.


At Ohio State, Joe Burrow saw his path to playing time looking bleak after spring practice and decided to transfer as a graduate student, making him immediately eligible to play. Now at LSU, Burrow won a starting job — and sent two more quarterbacks into the transfer market.

College quarterbacks are transferring with dizzying frequency, looking for playing time and chasing NFL dreams. It's become the new normal.

"I'd like to say that you're going to see a change," Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said Tuesday. "When you're recruiting you're going to have to have it in your mind that if you're No. 2 doesn't feel like he's going to get a shot you may lose him. I've come to grips with it a couple years ago. I don't see it changing."

He speaks from experience: Everett Golson, who led Notre Dame to the BCS championship game in 2012, transferred to Florida State in 2015 and Malik Zaire made a similar graduate transfer move last year to Florida.

"There are as many bad stories about the transfer of the quarterback as there are the good stories, too," Kelly said. "I don't think it's a home run, transferring out as the backup quarterback."

No. 12 Notre Dame's quarterback situation has been stable this offseason, but that's becoming increasingly unusual in college football. This offseason, No. 14 Michigan, Notre Dame's opponent in Saturday's opener, landed Shea Patterson as a transfer from Mississippi — and had two quarterbacks, Wilton Speight (UCLA) and Alex Malzone (Miami, Ohio) leave.

Michigan is one of at least 11 Power Five teams heading into the season with a transfer atop the depth chart at quarterback.

Patterson was the top-ranked quarterback in the 2016 recruiting class, according to 247Sports' composite rankings of the major ratings websites. Overall, eight of the top 20 quarterback recruits from 2016 have transferred .

Already four of the top 20 from 2017 have left the teams they signed with, including Hunter Johnson, who was rated No. 2 overall.

Johnson served as a backup for Clemson last season as a freshman. The arrival of Lawrence cleared out Clemson's quarterback room, leaving only Johnson and senior returning starter Kelly Bryant to compete. Johnson left after spring and is now at Northwestern , where he will sit out this season to fulfill NCAA transfer rules, and, ideally, move into the starting lineup next year after Clayton Thorson departs.

Nebraska's quarterback situation has been fluid under new coach Scott Frost, a former QB for the Cornhuskers. He signed the freshman Martinez, who enrolled early, and brought in Noah Vedral, a Nebraska native who transferred from UCF, Frost's previous employer.

After spring practices, Patrick O'Brien, a 2016 signee, announced he was transferring. Frost declared Martinez the starter this week. The next day, Tristan Gebbia, a top-20 quarterback recruit from 2017, left the team.

"It's hard to manage as a coach and you do what you can for kids and I understand their perspective, they want to play. It would be hypocritical for me to talk about how much we care about the players and not allow someone to do what they want to do and do what's best for him," said Frost, who transferred from Stanford to Nebraska when he played. "The flip side of that is we preach to our guys all the time 'team before me,' and it would be hypocritical of us to have someone on the team that was me before team."

Frost is hoping Vedral will get a waiver from the NCAA allowing him to be eligible this season. Frost said schools on quarter systems that start classes later in the year have an advantage when it comes to adding late transfers over schools on semesters like Nebraska.

The NCAA changed some transfer rules this year but kept in place the rule requiring players to sit out one season unless they have graduated. There has been talk of more tweaks to limit grad transfers and maybe give undergraduates more freedom to move with immediate eligibility.

All this quarterback movement makes trying to strike the right balance between what's best for players and coaches even more challenging.

"It's going to be messy," Frost said. "I wouldn't want to be the one to decide exactly what the rule is, but it's not fair to the rest of our team when we're losing kids right before camp that we're counting on."
 
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The biggest part of the equation when evaluating 2 players where the competition in practice is very close is how they perform in the actual games. This is particularly crucial at the QB position when both have been in green jerseys and haven't really been subjected to live, full contact.

Given the fact that neither QB has taken a snap in an actual game it would not have been unreasonable to let the competition continue to play out and wait to name a permanent #1 until the staff could evaluate both in actual game situations.

The staff went all in on Martinez without the benefit of the most important set of data - play in an actual game.
The staff could have strung this decision along without it being unfair to either QB.
I agree and maybe the coaches would have done that to some extent, but now they won't get the opportunity to.
 
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The biggest part of the equation when evaluating 2 players where the competition in practice is very close is how they perform in the actual games. This is particularly crucial at the QB position when both have been in green jerseys and haven't really been subjected to live, full contact.

Given the fact that neither QB has taken a snap in an actual game it would not have been unreasonable to let the competition continue to play out and wait to name a permanent #1 until the staff could evaluate both in actual game situations.

The staff went all in on Martinez without the benefit of the most important set of data - play in an actual game.
The staff could have strung this decision along without it being unfair to either QB.
This. Was Martinez clearly so superior in practice that he was named a "clear cut" starter and Gebbia a "clear cut backup"? If Frost and staff are to be taken at their word the answer is "No". We were told the competition was neck and neck. So why not name one guy the starter, but make it clear that there will be an ongoing competition for the job based on play in actual games? Or is that a bad idea? Would it lead to both quarterbacks constantly feeling pressure or else they will lose the job? Would it cause them to "press" and make mistakes, or the opposite and play too conservatively? I aint no coach and I have no expertise in this area. But it does seem to me that Frost did not handle this well. But what the hell do I know?
 
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This. Was Martinez clearly so superior in practice that he was named a "clear cut" starter and Gebbia a "clear cut backup"? If Frost and staff are to be taken at their word the answer is "No". We were told the competition was neck and neck. So why not name one guy the starter, but make it clear that there will be an ongoing competition for the job based on play in actual games? Or is that a bad idea? Would it lead to both quarterbacks constantly feeling pressure or else they will lose the job? Would it cause them to "press" and make mistakes, or the opposite and play too conservatively? I aint no coach and I have no expertise in this area. But it does seem to me that Frost did not handle this well. But what the hell do I know?

Gebbia was really the 3rd best QB and Bunch was demoted to 3rd simply to keep Gebbia from transferring. So you can't take the staff at their word.

You need to pay better attention.
 

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Not prolonging the competition through the first game has to do with him being a new coach. IF he ever gets in this situation again I can guarantee you that he drags it out past the first game and NEVER says, "the guy I pick is going to get a long leash" ever again.

I respectfully disagree.....I still think he did the right thing by not dragging this out past the first game and I think that he would still handle it the same way if the situation is repeated. In my opinion.....what he might change is making his decision earlier so that it gives him more options.
 

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In this situation, I would have brought in another 1 or 2 runners from either high school or a transfer and then would have looked to have Gebbia transfer early. I think in the grand scheme of things, I would want a solid to runner to run the offense. This has nothing to do with Gebbia, and I would have let him compete, but I would have told him to really work on making himself a dynamic runner, or I would definitely help him look for a fit outside of the program. I would have done that before spring ball started though.

In the grand scheme of things Frost knows what he is doing, and hasn't got to where he is by not having a successful way of doing things. It's human nature to find things to criticize about (especially from fanantics or fans), but the only thing that matters is if he wins. Everyone goes about it their own way, but the bottom line is you need to produce results.
I call BS. I don't think many at all were expecting Gebbia to transfer this year when he was still here after the Spring Game. The vast majority of posters on here didn't want us to go after another qb this year, either because they were fine with what we had or were afraid of a transfer. If the staff brought in another qb and Gebbia left either in the spring or just like he did, the coaches would have caught a lot of grief for that.
 

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Again, this is a msg board. This is a place where we discuss everything and all things Nebraska, yes even hypothetical s. I don't really understand people having an issue with this type of discussion. If one doesn't like the topic, there are about 100 other to comment and share your input.

Laughing They are all about the same thing.

Secondly, this is a message board. When you are beating a dead horse to death people tend to make comments about and express their opinions on the topic of discussion.
 
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In 2016 Mckenzie Milton was buried at least 3 deep on the depth chart to start the season ... so I'm not sure this staff - or any staff - can accurately predict who their best QB will be without seeing them play in a game
And yet he still got a chance to be the guy that very same year. Just shows what a rash decision this was by Gebbia to transfer and not in his best interest either.
 

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And yet he still got a chance to be the guy that very same year. Just shows what a rash decision this was by Gebbia to transfer and not in his best interest either.

That and the fact that after evaluating practice performance the staff had a heisman caliber QB buried at least 3 deep on the depth chart behind a bunch of stiffs
 

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Who cares how any of you would handled it cause you are not the coach.
They're all full of crap too. NO ONE mentioned this was a possibility or advocated for anything that would have lessened the blow of such a possibility before it actually happened.
 
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And yet he still got a chance to be the guy that very same year. Just shows what a rash decision this was by Gebbia to transfer and not in his best interest either.

Completely different situations. The QBs that Milton passed up in 2016 were both seniors, one was the 2 year returning starter . The other was a QB turned WR turned QB. Why didn't Vedral stay at UCF and be a back up Milton for the next 2 years?
 
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I heard a little too much "the starter is going to have a long leash" and not enough of "we're going to evaluate the position each and every week".
Completely disagree. You are looking at nothing but chaos if you say you are going to evaluate and make a decision week to week. It's a really good way to divide a locker room as well. Who has ever done that?
 

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That and the fact that after evaluating practice performance the staff had a heisman caliber QB buried at least 3 deep on the depth chart behind a bunch of stiffs
or, maybe it is just the result of a 'system'.. I remember the Texas Tech years of plugging in nobody's as QB's and them having great success under Leach. Clearly there is a possibility that Frost's system is, a system!

Edit: this is why I have always liked Bunch's chances as well.
 

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Not prolonging the competition through the first game has to do with him being a new coach. IF he ever gets in this situation again I can guarantee you that he drags it out past the first game and NEVER says, "the guy I pick is going to get a long leash" ever again.
I think he said that to the media. Doesn't mean the 2nd guy wasn't going to get plenty of chances either. He's had a history of giving his backup qb's plenty of reps in games to show what they're made of, despite what he said to the media about giving the starter a long leash.
 

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This. Was Martinez clearly so superior in practice that he was named a "clear cut" starter and Gebbia a "clear cut backup"? If Frost and staff are to be taken at their word the answer is "No". We were told the competition was neck and neck. So why not name one guy the starter, but make it clear that there will be an ongoing competition for the job based on play in actual games? Or is that a bad idea? Would it lead to both quarterbacks constantly feeling pressure or else they will lose the job? Would it cause them to "press" and make mistakes, or the opposite and play too conservatively? I aint no coach and I have no expertise in this area. But it does seem to me that Frost did not handle this well. But what the hell do I know?
Maybe Frost did tell them that privately and that's what he was planning to do. There's a difference between what a coach says to his players and what he says to the media.
 
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Maybe Frost did tell them that privately and that's what he was planning to do. There's a difference between what a coach says to his players and what he says to the media.
So he tells his players the truth but he lies to the media and the public? Why? What would be so controversial in telling the public the truth here? Namely, that the competition is very close and will continue into the season.... Martinez will start but Gebbia will get his shots too. Why hide that if that is what he told the players? What does Frost have to gain here by lying to the public? I think you are reaching here oldjar
 

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That and the fact that after evaluating practice performance the staff had a heisman caliber QB buried at least 3 deep on the depth chart behind a bunch of stiffs
Yeah it happens all the time though even to the best coaches.
 
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I think he said that to the media. Doesn't mean the 2nd guy wasn't going to get plenty of chances either. He's had a history of giving his backup qb's plenty of reps in games to show what they're made of, despite what he said to the media about giving the starter a long leash.

You continue to make things up. What history? Vedral played in games where UCF was up big, At Oregon Lockie played in blowouts and when Vernon Adams was injured. In 2016 at UCF, Patti and Holcomb played the majority of their snaps before Milton was named the starter or the game Milton missed with injury.

The overwhelming majority of the snaps for the backups came from the starter being injured or blowouts. That isn't giving them snaps to show what they are made of, those are blowout snaps. There is a huge difference.
 
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or, maybe it is just the result of a 'system'.. I remember the Texas Tech years of plugging in nobody's as QB's and them having great success under Leach. Clearly there is a possibility that Frost's system is, a system!

Edit: this is why I have always liked Bunch's chances as well.
I agree a lot of Milton's success was due to Frost's system. Look at Vedral's numbers at UCF. 75% completion percentage and he was probably our 4th best qb in the Spring game.