My son looked at me when NU lined up and said "they're going to get a safety." That cannot happen again this year. Bet some of you thought the same thing as my son did right before the snap.
Let's talk about that safety Ark St got against the offense
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Your son had a 50/50 chance of being correct. I ALWAYS worry about a safety when we have the ball that deep. It was a perfect execution of a run blitz timed perfectly by their backer. It happens. I'm not sure if Lee could have read that and audibled or not in that situation. Personally I almost always prefer a play action pass play in that situation. It's a great situation for a quick hitter to a TE or slot receiver.
I couldn't listen to the TV announcers. They were idiots for the most part. Farmer blocked the guy he was head up on. IF he hadn't that guy would have gotten the safety. The LBer timed it up perfectly cutting off of the DTs butt. If anything it looked to me like Conrad probably should have pulled off his guy and had responsibility. I would have to watch it again but it appeared to me that the only thing Farmer could have done was to try to reach and slow the guy down with one arm.
Yep, only bad coaches have ever given up a safety.
I guess I didn't focus enough on Farmer to be able to make a statement like that. Why do you say that other than the safety which I'm not sure was his fault?
Didn't the backer split the gap between Farmer and Conrad? I thought there was a DT lined up on Farmer's nose with the backer who blitzed in the gap outside our guard. As the guard engaged the DT, the backer timed up a run blitz between the guard and center off of DT's butt. I'm not sure my feeble senior eyes and mind are recalling correctly that's why I asked if anybody has a link to video of it. My impression of the play was well sh## that was a good defensive call and play. Next. Ideally for me IF we're gonna run that kind of play I would prefer we had a fullback in there to lead and prevent that from happening.
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When do we talk about the safety ASU gave up? Was that genius play calling by NU or ineptitude by ASU?
In his interview Langsdorf basically said that was football 101 and cannot happen! He was not pleased.
Yes, but Knevel should have blocked down/combo on the DT over Farmer, allowing Farmer to pick up the blitzing LB. That blitzing LB was Farmer's, but he was engaged with the DT with no help from Knevel. So both at fault, imo. But I'm also wrong a lot.
I had the same thought as your son because I've grown to have so little faith in the execution of our power run game. But Dingle is right. 50/50 chance either way.
The coaches would have gotten crucified for doing it, but I actually would have preferred to see us in the shotgun there.
The coaches would have gotten crucified for doing it, but I actually would have preferred to see us in the shotgun there.
I do have to say in my row in Section 18 right behind the play we all called run left. To a person, 6 of us, we all saw it coming by the way they lined up. Plus can never figure out why a QB always opens right and hands off left on a short yardage play. Takes too long to develop that deep inside your territory.
I bet ASU was pretty pissed about that one. They had been holding all game long and the refs chose THEN to FINALLY call it?
Not a great deal of push from the entire line on that play. The guard and tackle are responsible for the backside pursuit. Right tackle could have cut him off and made a very weak attempt. I see HS kids give way more effort.
I can't even imagine the number of posts on here had DL called a pass play especially if it did not go well.
One thing I don't think we have a good read on is TL's ability to throw on the run either by a designed roll out or in a scramble situation. The one time I recall was to his right and I thought he overshot but I could be wrong.
I can't even imagine the number of posts on here had DL called a pass play especially if it did not go well.
One thing I don't think we have a good read on is TL's ability to throw on the run either by a designed roll out or in a scramble situation. The one time I recall was to his right and I thought he overshot but I could be wrong.
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It just looked like a bad play design to me. That said, IF Farmer had tried to take the guy left AND our RB had cut it right off his butt, he would have run for a long time. I still after watching the replay find it hard to believe it's all on Farmer. It would have been virtually impossible to get past the DT to engage the blitzing backer in time. It appeared to me that AkSt was very prepared for this play call and were expecting it. A fullback would have solved the issue.
I don't normally criticize play calls much but this one on the safety was questionable IMO. I don't see how Knevel could have gotten to the guy quickly enough to prevent what happened and IMO Farmer rightly engaged the DT. By the time Farmer sees the backer it's too late. The only way IMO to have prevented the play was to have read a run blitz pre-snap. IMO, that's why you have a fullback. You're gambling that the backer is going to read the handoff as a run to the right.
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The guards, and Gates had a "brain fart" contest for some of the game.
Knevel blocked nobody. At least Farmer engaged the dude in front of him and pushed him left. Conrad should not have gone ahead to his left to double team the tackle. He could have easily picked up the blitz had he stayed home. But he may not have seen the blitz coming so stayed with his assignment on the play.
I don't know. We are a zone blocking team. Farmer's responsibility is to block the guy he blocked. The DT lined up in the gap between C and G. The other DT is lined heads up on Foster. The play looks to be called to run the ball through the A-gap on the side with the DT already in the gap. Good call by the D to run the LB through the open gap. Could the center have called to change the blocking assignments? The center double-teamed the DT that was heads up on Foster.
Based on the way he played last year it was bad. Gave up the blindside sack as well.
I know he isn't terrible, but that looked terrible Sarurday.
We had first down at the 1 yard line after the interception. I don't remember another play being run... I think you are confusing it with something else.
Two things concern me.
Why didnt we have a lead blocker?
When you add a lead blocker you essentially eliminate 1 gap that can be shot. That wouldnt have mattered here. What would have mattered is the fb would have been able to absorb first threat. I, too thought oh no as soon as we lined up there. I have no issue with single back sets in general, but feel some situations call for a fullback, and that was one, especially considering the play call they actually went with.
Second, I feel this is Conrads fault. When you look at the gaps the DTs are in, its obvious that foster has a better angle on his man than farmer does. Farmer will need help before foster as frmer will have to reach. When the play develops you can see foster slode off the dt and pick up a blitzer in the B, while conrad stays with the dt.
Had Conrad doubled with farmer first, he could have slid off to the blitzing LB, leaving foster to handle his DT alone while the B gap blitzer goes harmlessly around the play. It looks like this play is going for the a gap, so i think we make it out had Conrad chosen to double with farmer, which in my view before the play was the thing to do anyway.
Why didnt we have a lead blocker?
When you add a lead blocker you essentially eliminate 1 gap that can be shot. That wouldnt have mattered here. What would have mattered is the fb would have been able to absorb first threat. I, too thought oh no as soon as we lined up there. I have no issue with single back sets in general, but feel some situations call for a fullback, and that was one, especially considering the play call they actually went with.
Second, I feel this is Conrads fault. When you look at the gaps the DTs are in, its obvious that foster has a better angle on his man than farmer does. Farmer will need help before foster as frmer will have to reach. When the play develops you can see foster slode off the dt and pick up a blitzer in the B, while conrad stays with the dt.
Had Conrad doubled with farmer first, he could have slid off to the blitzing LB, leaving foster to handle his DT alone while the B gap blitzer goes harmlessly around the play. It looks like this play is going for the a gap, so i think we make it out had Conrad chosen to double with farmer, which in my view before the play was the thing to do anyway.
But I think a FB eliminates the sxenerio entirely. Given the play call i dont see why they didnt have one to take first threat.
Just throw the damn ball! Did I do that right???
But make sure you don't hold in the end zone....
But make sure you don't hold in the end zone....
To be fair, I can't lay the safety on Farmer. I don't know how he blocks 2 guys in that situation and he had to engage the DT. I just think it was a good defensive play call or at the very least a very good play by their linebacker. Maybe Knevel should have had the linebacker as some suggest but he was gone by the time Knevel could get there. We knew coming in that Arkansas State would throw every blitz package they had and I think they guessed right on that one and won that play. Maybe Conrad should have had him but he would have had to read the run blitz by the backer pre-snap and there is no way I could see it coming until it was too late. I think on the sack Wilbon at the very least shares the blame.