So you think all of the stuff with the email and server is still "up in air" pending the investigation? You serious Clark?
Lights burning brighter for Bernie....
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I'm very serious......What credible names? Running for office and running the country are totally different. His reasons for being POTUS and the bit*hs reasons are polar opposites. Trump may be a lot of things but clueless is not one of them. From the results we have seen so far, the term clueless might describe some other folks.
Dog, he is making a great sacrifice, don't you see?. Better accept fast. This is hilarious from a distance. Go, dog, go.
It is not be still "up in air" since she has been shown to have lied by the State Department Inspector General. However.....she will NOT be indicted.
I hope you're right.
My impression is that he thinks far too highly of himself to do as you have suggested. Unfortunately I have zero confidence in him and think he would be a total disaster and basically destroy any and all positive relationships with other countries. He is showing signs of doing that with all of the juvenile name calling and insults and everything else.
I would be soooo happy to be proven wrong.
You are saying that I'm passing my opinions off as fact. The facts are she has lied repeatedly to cover up and down play what she did with the email and server business. She is doing everything she can to minimize the very real damage she did to her credibility and to the security of the nation. The reality of IF she was hacked was irrelevant. She knowingly side stepped the security for the purposes obfuscating real oversight into her dealings as SoS. She put her personal interests above that of the country. Those are facts. Accepting someone who has actually done these things and weighing them against someone who might do them is compromising personal integrity over fear vs. a known quantity of lawlessness. I'm not sure how it could be argued any other way with legitimate basis. I understand, people will rationalize any behavior that suits their personal predilections based on party. I myself will not do that. If the parties were reversed and she was a member of the GOP, I would be equally as outraged and would do exactly as I'm doing now. Voting for a different option than that presented. I'll maintain my integrity.
I have no issues with these comments therefore I do not reply. Maybe go back and answer Coop's question.
I guess some of our clueless friends think the State Department Inspector General is the liar.
If you are referring to Trump, I'm not sure I get the correlation. I'll say this though, and I'll caveat with me stating I'm not in agreement with it.
Trump is connecting with people for a variety of reasons. Each have their own reasoning and some are just as petty as it would annoy the DNC the most. Doesn't matter, I'll state some of the things I do believe about Trump.
- I don't think he knows what he is going to do if he wins. I don't think any President really believes they are ready though. Obama's first 2-3 years were abysmal. He was woefully unprepared for the job. He was given a large pass though because of the historic nature of his Presidency. Whatever, water under the bridge and I'm not going to spend time on Obama.
- I do think people will fall in line and try to get on board to suckle from the teet of power. The whole district exists on people trying to do that very thing. I think he will be able to assemble a capable team.
- I think he could potentially stimulate our economy.
- I think foreign relations will suffer, mostly I feel they will because he is going to start dictating financial terms in the best interest of the country. People can talk all that they want about him and make all the jokes they want. The reality is, the guy is goddamn billionaire and worked his way there regardless of whether he was born on 3rd base stealing home. He took what he was given and made it bigger. He isn't an idiot with finances. The bankruptcy stuff doesn't move the needle with me and I don't think it's indicative of his ability to run a business. There are many facets of business that can drive that decision. I'm sure i don't need to explain that to you of anyone on this board.
- I don't think he will be the status quo politician when it comes to him being beholden to his handlers and financiers. He has **** you money. This isn't his life's option or goal. I think, aside from his mouth, is one of the key drivers behind people from both sides not liking him. They can't control him and that scares a lot of power brokers in this country. It makes me optimistic.
- I like that he giving the finger to the PC world. I don't like how he is doing it, but I like it none the less. I like national pride, what can i say, I stand and take my hat off when the National Anthem is played and it stills gives me chills every time I hear it. I also won't hesitate to request those around me to render the appropriate amount of respect and remove their hats.
- I do believe the counter Trump crowd, those protesting him, are actually behaving worse than him and have been for months.
- I do believe he is a narcissist.
- I do believe he is a better option than Hillary, though I still won't be voting for him.
- I do believe I'll likely write in my vote for Kasich or vote for Gary Johnson. If it's between Bernie and Trump, I'll vote Bernie. I don't agree with his platform, but I respect the strength of his convictions.
Just reminded of the old Flip Wilson, "The devil made me do it". No matter how many ways you catch these people, It was always "somebody else".
Damn. you are good. Do you have a staff of writers to produce thoughts so concisely? I am impressed. But, I do believe your reason for denying Trump are a bit thin. Of course it is a personal choice to which you have obviously given due thought. I too like Kasich, but it would be business as usual. I think he has all the integrity in the world, but he would never take on the establishment of D C politics. I trust/hope Trump will not perpetuate a system that has evolved in our government.
Good post. I feel the same way with most of it. Especially this last part.
If you don't like Trump or Hillary, then write in or vote Johnson/McAfee/Libertarian.
If it's Bernie vs. Trump, as much as I don't agree with Bernie on many issues, and as much as I think his policy ideals are foolish at best, I find him to be sincere and honest in his beliefs and could see voting for him.
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This jumped out at me though,
How? By creating trade wars with all our trade partners? This is seen as a good thing for the economy?
I agree, excellent post. If it comes down to Hillary and Trump, I will definitely vote for Gary Johnson or whoever the Libertarian candidate is. I voted for Johnson the last time also.
I've said all along that I like Bernie, but didn't think he was the right guy for the job because he couldn't unite the sides. Couldn't bridge the aisle. However, the idea of somebody that can bridge the aisle is long gone. Trump isn't that person, he can barely unite his own party, and Hillary sure as **** isn't that person either. The GOP has been after her for years now, no way they are going to unite behind her.
What I find interesting is that some of the characteristics that people are drawn to with Trump are things shared by Sanders, only Sanders does it even better, IMO.
Trump has **** you money. Yes. What good does that really do when everybody else in congress and everyplace else is corrupted by outside influences? While Bernie doesn't have **** you money, he is saying **** you to big money and trying to get it out of the entire system. Trump isn't trying to get it out of the entire system.
Trump speaks his mind. I get that. But the problem is that what's on his mind changes day to day. He doesn't seem to have any real convictions. Sanders speaks his mind also, just not in such a bombastic way, but he also has real and true convictions.
Everybody say that Hillary is no good because she's a lying conniving ****. (a sentiment I share) Trump called Cruz "lyin Ted" and people have repeatedly pointed out any number of lies Trump has told.
What has Sanders lied about? I don't know if his policies are the best for our country, but if you want an honest person in the position with strength of convictions who honestly wants what's best for the country, then Sanders is that guy. As far as his policies and taxes ... here's how I look at it -> If we're really going to clean up corruption and all of that, and it really takes a little extra tax money to make the country better with more opportunities for everybody (which ultimately makes us stronger) and provide better education opportunities for everybody (which ultimately makes us stronger) then I don't mind paying a little extra. We revere our military men and women (rightfully so) because they are willing to put their lives on the line to protect us and make this country what it is. When we have so many that are willing to do that, asking the rest of us to pay a little more in taxes shouldn't be too much to ask.
I would have never picked him as the best candidate in the beginning, but now that it's looking like Trump and Clinton ... Sanders is looking like a pretty good option.
What I find so interesting and why I am so cynical with most of you people is in 2009-2010 timeframe, there were so many people that didn't support Obama for one reason or another on TV and this board saying things like "If Hillary would have ran against McCain, she would be such a much better choice than Obama" and "Hillary is doing a good job at SoS and I could see me voting for her instead of Obama". I took those comments with a chuckle because I knew as soon as Hillary became a candidate again, she would be hated. It would be the same with Bernie. If he was the Dem candidate, you same people saying you admire Bernie and could vote for him while you can' with Hillary would be finding every excuse in the book to slam Bernie. And the big one is his "democratic socialism" stance. Quit kidding yourself on saying you can't support Hillary as a President but could Bernie. You are not genuine.
I also think that had Biden run, they would have drummed up bogus skeletons in his closet as well.
It shocked and appalled me that Dems had bought into the Obama populism bit, and selected him over Hillary in 2008, and in 2009-2010 she still exhibited qualities that I would have rather had in the WH than Obama.
However 2008/09/10 Hillary is not 2016 Hillary. Her actions since then have more than disqualified her in my eyes. She went from someone who I could at least see being pragmatic (like her husband post Gingrich House takeover) to someone who is just become flat out deceitful and dishonest, seeking to win at all costs.
I understand you opinion however, it's much like mine and how people treated/viewed/voted with McCain. The left and many Dems all claimed how much better he would have been other than GW, but when he got his chance in 2008 they picked the inexperienced rube over him.
That was an honest evaluation and I appreciate it. Don't agree with all of it but have no problem with the sentiment. Thanks.
You mean like his "I'm the son of a coal miner" campaign he stole lock, stock, and barrel from a British politician?