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Why are you congratulating them?
I am happy for them but confused as to why you are congratulating them. They have not been allowed to get married.... so.... Are you congratulating them on being gay? Living in Texas? The fact that they are MSU alums? Which is it?
Or, are you just congratulating yourself on finding an article that talks about 2 MSU alums that are gay? Then, you can claim to not be baiting homophobic people?
I am happy for them but confused as to why you are congratulating them. They have not been allowed to get married.... so.... Are you congratulating them on being gay? Living in Texas? The fact that they are MSU alums? Which is it?
Or, are you just congratulating yourself on finding an article that talks about 2 MSU alums that are gay? Then, you can claim to not be baiting homophobic people?
Then I am a sad man because I believe that is exactly what you were coming here to do.
It's what UM alum trolls do when their agenda is to deflect attention away from historical institutional bigotry at their alma mater. It deserves to be ignored. Yet it speaks volumes about this poster's disingenuousness. "Journalistic" equivalent of a *****.
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The most interesting part to me
Is how little negative feedback they seem to have received, at a christian school, in Texas.
Hopefully a good sign for the future.
Is how little negative feedback they seem to have received, at a christian school, in Texas.
Hopefully a good sign for the future.
Those look like 2-star gays.
We recruit 5-star gays. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ng_out_request_allegedly_led_to_demotion.html
Flagship*
*Resist the urge to make the unclever joke here (for those inclined to make such a joke).
We recruit 5-star gays. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ng_out_request_allegedly_led_to_demotion.html
Flagship*
*Resist the urge to make the unclever joke here (for those inclined to make such a joke).
He may have been a five-star gay when he was rated, but the fact that he asked permission to come out tells you the ranking was ********. A true 5* would simply come out of the closet and make his bosses like it.
It's worth congratulating because it's a senior college athletics official that's out. This is a big deal in the industry of college sports. Now they get to live like the rest of us without having to sacrifice their careers. I don't know if we'll ever see an open coach, but this is close.
I'm calling shenanigans. Per the article, he came out in 2006; that's quite a belated congratulations. In fact, the article is about how they can't get married; not something to congratulate.
You read the header of the story and came running...
You read the header of the story and came running...
Knew Blake really well at MSU, and it is good to read that.
Knew they were out in Dallas and doing well, but didn't know Drew was actually out in a major sports market workplace like that. You also don't really get a sense of the fear and worry they have about things most of us will never experience until you hear them say it for themselves. Glad their story got told and appreciate you sharing it (from a site he writes for you idiots). It's also pretty telling that the fear they feel is sometimes justified by the fact that a lot of you think Godfrey was posting this in a derisive manner. Being gay is nothing that is embarrassing, wrong, or shameful. Being an ignorant, bigoted jackass is.
Knew they were out in Dallas and doing well, but didn't know Drew was actually out in a major sports market workplace like that. You also don't really get a sense of the fear and worry they have about things most of us will never experience until you hear them say it for themselves. Glad their story got told and appreciate you sharing it (from a site he writes for you idiots). It's also pretty telling that the fear they feel is sometimes justified by the fact that a lot of you think Godfrey was posting this in a derisive manner. Being gay is nothing that is embarrassing, wrong, or shameful. Being an ignorant, bigoted jackass is.
He's a senior athletic director that according to the article's been "out" since 2006 himself, was "out" at Texas A&M about his partner, and "out" at TCU w/ his partner since 2012.
Myself, if I wanted to congratulate the guy I would have sent him an email, a card or note in the mail. But I guess that's me.
Then there's you who goes to a sports message board of a rival of the school you graduated from and post an article to congratulate him/them and then act all amazed that some would question your motive? Ok, got it.........
Myself, if I wanted to congratulate the guy I would have sent him an email, a card or note in the mail. But I guess that's me.
Then there's you who goes to a sports message board of a rival of the school you graduated from and post an article to congratulate him/them and then act all amazed that some would question your motive? Ok, got it.........
I wonder how SB Nation feels about one of their employees sparing with potential readers on a sports message board and admitting that they work for SB Nation. My company would not like it.
A lot of people are simply ready for gays to shut up and just go be gay. Not flaming...just tired of hearing about it.
TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ...
It's not like he's working at Baylor, Mississippi College, or the University of Tehran.
It's not like he's working at Baylor, Mississippi College, or the University of Tehran.
+1. I'm envisioning him snickering while typing the post and then saying to himself, "watch this", as he hits submit. He was trying to see which MSU knuckledragger he could lure out of a cave. Sad.
And congrats to Drew Martin. Hopefully we will be lucky enough to have him come work for us some day.
And congrats to Drew Martin. Hopefully we will be lucky enough to have him come work for us some day.
I treat gays 100% by the Golden Rule and I expect the same from them. How much more equal can I be ?
That doesn't mean they have the same rights as you.
And all they ever did to not have equal rights was be born a little bit different than most. And I'll go ahead and say that I'm not gonna be the one that locks this thread. I'm done not making as much noise as possible about this. It affects close friends of mine, and I have seen tears roll down a woman's face when she talks about how the state of Mississippi won't recognize her wife as a parent of their child. Know what that means? If that kid goes to the hospital, her wife (and other mother of that child) can't go into the room with them. That lady dies? That kid does not go to her wife. This flat out discrimination and bigotry that people defend with bible verses and tradition is literally ripping families apart, keeping families from forming, is causing teenagers to commit suicide, is costing people their jobs, and so on. So congratulations on treating a human being like a human being. Now how about we do something a little more relevant than just being nice to the occasional gay person you come in contact with.
And all they ever did to not have equal rights was be born a little bit different than most. And I'll go ahead and say that I'm not gonna be the one that locks this thread. I'm done not making as much noise as possible about this. It affects close friends of mine, and I have seen tears roll down a woman's face when she talks about how the state of Mississippi won't recognize her wife as a parent of their child. Know what that means? If that kid goes to the hospital, her wife (and other mother of that child) can't go into the room with them. That lady dies? That kid does not go to her wife. This flat out discrimination and bigotry that people defend with bible verses and tradition is literally ripping families apart, keeping families from forming, is causing teenagers to commit suicide, is costing people their jobs, and so on. So congratulations on treating a human being like a human being. Now how about we do something a little more relevant than just being nice to the occasional gay person you come in contact with.
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I don't see it that way.
It's an article about two MSU alums who are succeeding in a place where gay people typically haven't been out, and it's also touching to hear about their struggle to be treated as equal citizens. The only way you think Godfrey put this here with ill intentions is if you think being gay is embarrassing and therefore this story would be embarrassing to MSU or MSU fans. Any familiarity with Godfrey at all and you know his opinion. Sure, there were going to be some dumb asses that responded because their always are when something about gay people gets posted. That in itself does not make it a conspiracy on Godfrey's part to make posters here look like idiots. They do that all by themselves every damn day. I will stand by the statement that if you think he had some agenda posting this then it was because you are embarrassed, or at least made uncomfortable, by an article about two gay MSU alums. Bigot may be a strong word, but ignorant fits.
It's an article about two MSU alums who are succeeding in a place where gay people typically haven't been out, and it's also touching to hear about their struggle to be treated as equal citizens. The only way you think Godfrey put this here with ill intentions is if you think being gay is embarrassing and therefore this story would be embarrassing to MSU or MSU fans. Any familiarity with Godfrey at all and you know his opinion. Sure, there were going to be some dumb asses that responded because their always are when something about gay people gets posted. That in itself does not make it a conspiracy on Godfrey's part to make posters here look like idiots. They do that all by themselves every damn day. I will stand by the statement that if you think he had some agenda posting this then it was because you are embarrassed, or at least made uncomfortable, by an article about two gay MSU alums. Bigot may be a strong word, but ignorant fits.
Here's the big deal about it.
Are you afraid that people know you like women? Well, when he began work at TCU he was afraid to tell people he liked men because in states like Texas, it can cost you your job. The point of the article (in addition to a good story about the success of some MSU alums) was that in an athletic department at a Christian School, they have been accepted, but they still aren't accepted by the government of the State and Country they are citizens of. That's the big deal.
Are you afraid that people know you like women? Well, when he began work at TCU he was afraid to tell people he liked men because in states like Texas, it can cost you your job. The point of the article (in addition to a good story about the success of some MSU alums) was that in an athletic department at a Christian School, they have been accepted, but they still aren't accepted by the government of the State and Country they are citizens of. That's the big deal.
I get your point in general, but TCU's denomination, the Disciples of Christ, affirms LGBT people and has gay leaders.
While I understand your position I agree with Deer Hntr. I know Blake and Drew
personally and I reacted negatively when I saw it because I don't know Godfrey and really haven't paid attention to who he works for either. After thinking about it a minute I realized being a journalist he may have had good intentions and therefore I promptly apologized to him. So my reaction was one of defending both Blake and Drew, I am certainly not a bigot but the way Godfrey posted it and due to the nature of this forum some of the time I initially thought he was trying to start some ****.
personally and I reacted negatively when I saw it because I don't know Godfrey and really haven't paid attention to who he works for either. After thinking about it a minute I realized being a journalist he may have had good intentions and therefore I promptly apologized to him. So my reaction was one of defending both Blake and Drew, I am certainly not a bigot but the way Godfrey posted it and due to the nature of this forum some of the time I initially thought he was trying to start some ****.
Preach. I, too, am way done with being quiet regarding this. For those that "don't want to hear about it" it is really simple. Stop discriminating. Support equality.
For someone who doesn't like bible verses you sure do like to preach.
As to your example. A kid doesn't have two moms. Take a biology class for Pete's sake. Calling the girlfriend/partner/wife/whatever the kids' "other mother" is disingenuous. It's the kind of language stretch that is used for emotional manipulation. Just because your mom is "sleeping" with someone, that doesn't make them your parent.
Furthermore, who gets your kids when you die is completely up to you. My children, in the event that my wife and I are dead, will go to someone. It's called a will and it's relatively cheap to acquire. The woman in this somewhat hypothetical situation can solve that "problem" in 30 minutes at uslegalforms.com.
I have been to the emergency room many, many times and not just for my own family. I've never seen the hospital staff fail to admit a visitor because they suspected that it was a parent's homosexual partner. Maybe that has happened and I just haven't heard about it, but I live in the deep south and have never seen it.
No, you would only have to think that some people have negative views of homosexuality and that making negative comments about homosexuality sometimes causes a shitshow. That's not being ignorant or a bigot. That's called having your eyes open. Not seeing that as a possibility is maybe accurately called ignorant, but probably more accurately oblivious.
I have no clue about Godfrey's intentions and don't really care. If he was being genuine, I too am pretty much happy for any MSU alum to do well and represent the school well and also want people that are gay to feel comfortable and free to not have to hide that fact from friends and coworkers. Even if you disagree and think it's sinful, I don't see why that particular sin would justify being impolite or uncivil to somebody.
If he was being a ****, well it's a message board, welcome to 19.83% of the posters.
If the kid isn't going to her partner when she dies, that's her own fault. You can leave your kids to whatever guardian you want to in the case that all parents die.
Most of the tear-jerking stuff can be covered with current legal remedies. You should be basing your argument on taxes and monetary issues. Then we can get back to discussing civil unions, which is what we were told would be the stopping point a decade or so ago.
Most of the tear-jerking stuff can be covered with current legal remedies. You should be basing your argument on taxes and monetary issues. Then we can get back to discussing civil unions, which is what we were told would be the stopping point a decade or so ago.
Not that I'm not in favor of expanding freedom of contract, but it's not quite right to say they don't have the same rights. Outside of some tax consequences that cannot be avoided, most of the issues are just a matter of changing the default rule. If you want your child to go to your domestic partner if you die, set it up so that your child goes to your domestic partner when you die. I wouldn't be any less married if the state didn't recognize my marriage (and I would actually come out better tax wise, although there are probably some long term benefits related to medicare or social security that counterbalance this). Law does not prevent families from forming and it doesn't rip them apart. Again, I'm in favor of allowing contracts, whether you call them civil unions, marriage, or something else that provide the same benefits to same sex couples as currently enjoyed by married couples, or alternatively I would be in favor of the gov't getting out of the marriage business all together, but the current situation is not one where they don't have the same rights.
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