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legal guardianship............
of a minor child is subject to the approval of chancery court. A lesbian couple conceives a child through a sperm donor. They make legal arrangements regarding guardianship in the case of the death of one parent. The birthmother dies. The birthmothers parents never accepted the partner but they love the child. A will declares the partner the legal guardian. The grandparents challenge in chancery court. No guarantee the judge will rule for the partner. That this is even a possibility is probably shesh's point.
of a minor child is subject to the approval of chancery court. A lesbian couple conceives a child through a sperm donor. They make legal arrangements regarding guardianship in the case of the death of one parent. The birthmother dies. The birthmothers parents never accepted the partner but they love the child. A will declares the partner the legal guardian. The grandparents challenge in chancery court. No guarantee the judge will rule for the partner. That this is even a possibility is probably shesh's point.
Ah yes.... a drawn up contract would have wiped her tears away.
Here, sign this. You're not really her mom, and we won't allow you to legally adopt in this state, and we don't recognize your marriage as valid at all... but just know that should you die, after the courts look at it, she'll probably go to your spouse, unless somebody fights it then we just have to hope the judge rules this as valid in this state. Heterosexual couples are given certain rights. Homosexual couples have to go through many extra steps if they live in certain places and are completely denied lots of things. That is the definition of discrimination.
Here, sign this. You're not really her mom, and we won't allow you to legally adopt in this state, and we don't recognize your marriage as valid at all... but just know that should you die, after the courts look at it, she'll probably go to your spouse, unless somebody fights it then we just have to hope the judge rules this as valid in this state. Heterosexual couples are given certain rights. Homosexual couples have to go through many extra steps if they live in certain places and are completely denied lots of things. That is the definition of discrimination.
No, he should share the thread if he wants, whatever his intentions. Again, it's a message board. i was just pointing out that it is possible he shared it with good intentions and possible he shared it with bad intentions and that recognizing that possibility doesn't require you to be bigoted or ignorant. It just requires that you be somewhat aware of how the world works and have basic reasoning skills.
Here's my question. Why should a gay person have to do that? And why does it threaten so many if they do marry? It's not like they're going to make more of a mockery of marriage than the heterosexuals have in the last 40 years or so. I'm not so much in favor of gay marriage as I am of letting people live their lives however they want to as long as it doesn't affect someone else. And it certainly doesn't affect me if 2 gay people get married.
So, just for the record, I don't treat anyone poorly, however, I fundamentally disagree with the politically correct opinion on gay. What I don't understand is the anger and vitriol hurled at anyone who has an opinion that is different than the pro-gay crowd. What makes your (not just you, but anyone) opinion more valid than mine? I don't get it. Should I be subjected to anger and hatred from the pro-gay crowd because I happen to disagree with their assessment of what is right, wrong and acceptable? Again, I'm not scared or "homophobic" or any of the other rote terms that are used to marginalize differing views, and I do not treat anyone poorly because of their lifestyle. I too have friends, and family that deal with this issues, I just don't see it the same way as the politically correct crowd serves it up. But I do stand back puzzled at the near militant approach that the pro-gay crowd often takes to punish and vilify anyone who doesn't agree with them...
My shout out as a Bulldog living in DC... Blake was VERY active and very vocal DC Bulldog...MSU colors and cowbells and flags adorned bars in DC because of him...I could care less about who he wants to marry- but I'm VERY proud of both of them for being true to themselves...and just as hetero couples get to celebrate their love for each other, get engaged at the Chapel of Memories, and incorporate cowbells into their weddings- SO SHOULD my sweet friends Blake and Drew. I'm livid that anyone would think this was posted by someone just get some dbag to start flailing anti-gay comments... I believe anyone who knows Blake and/or Drew would post this story about them out of respect. They are part of our bulldog family. ANd as Blake loves to tag things #CLANG Congrats guys on getting to be as excited about your upcoming wedding as any other Bulldog couple!
So Sesh is sarcastically congratulating me for treating gays "like a human being" and your accusing me of "discriminating" when I treat gays exactly as I want to be treated..... WHILE at the same time wondering out loud why some of us may be tired of hearing about gay issues...... I rest my case.
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That is discrimination between two things that are not equal. I think it would be better if we treated them basically the same but that's a policy decision. I base my position on that policy decision in part because I do think it's hurtful to homosexual couples that they don't get the affirmation they want from gov't and society and I don't think the arguments against legal recognition of same sex unions justify that harm (and that those arguments basically have no weight when marriage contracts can essentially be broken at will). But none of that means they don't have equal rights. It's perfectly possible to pursue bad policy without violating constitutional rights and that's basically what we're doing now (although we're one bad Kennedy fever rant from changing this if you believe a 5-4 decision from teh court actually amends the Constitution).
the title of parent is earned. Those that get up in the middle of the night to comfort their child. Those that change diapers. Those that that patiently teach their child how to tie his or her shoes. Etc if you think parenting is simply a product of biology, you are mistaken.
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...occur with heterosexual step-parents as well. This is not unique to homosexuals.
...occur with heterosexual step-parents as well. This is not unique to homosexuals.
You are clueless
If my wife and I were to decide that we didn't want to get married but wanted to have the same rights as married people, it would take me years of legal battle to get the paperwork we would need to produce the paperwork necessary to do that. Any of those documents could be challenged, and potentially overturned, after the death of either of us.
There are hundreds of rights and privileges that are immediately bestowed upon two spouses once they are married. We aren't talking about biological fathers and mothers here (although that is not nearly as cut and dried as you want to believe), we are talking about parental rights. That's not something that arises solely from biology.
If my wife and I were to decide that we didn't want to get married but wanted to have the same rights as married people, it would take me years of legal battle to get the paperwork we would need to produce the paperwork necessary to do that. Any of those documents could be challenged, and potentially overturned, after the death of either of us.
There are hundreds of rights and privileges that are immediately bestowed upon two spouses once they are married. We aren't talking about biological fathers and mothers here (although that is not nearly as cut and dried as you want to believe), we are talking about parental rights. That's not something that arises solely from biology.
Yes it is. A child born to a married couple is presumed under the law to be the child of that married couple. You are wrong.
So, by your standards, adopted kids shouldn't claim the parents that raised them
As "mom" and "dad"?
As "mom" and "dad"?
This isn't about how you treat people. This is about how the government treats people.
Also, what is your understanding of "the politically correct opinion on gay." and in what ways do you "fundamentally disagree" with it?
Also, what is your understanding of "the politically correct opinion on gay." and in what ways do you "fundamentally disagree" with it?
You didn't answer any of my questions and you posed a question for which you almost certainly know the answer.
He's making an asinine assumption that's not based in fact or law
If a married couple in Mississippi, through a sperm donor, has a child then the husband is presumed to be the father, regardless of who the biological father may actually be. As a result, he is immediately granted all of the rights as the father. The husband is not the step-father, he is the father.
It's not the same if a same-sex couple, married in vermont, have a baby in Mississippi through a sperm donor. The non-birthing parent has no rights whatsoever because MS does not recognize their marriage.
CookieMonster assumes that every kid born to a lesbian couple has a mother and a step-mother. That's an asinine assumption.
If a married couple in Mississippi, through a sperm donor, has a child then the husband is presumed to be the father, regardless of who the biological father may actually be. As a result, he is immediately granted all of the rights as the father. The husband is not the step-father, he is the father.
It's not the same if a same-sex couple, married in vermont, have a baby in Mississippi through a sperm donor. The non-birthing parent has no rights whatsoever because MS does not recognize their marriage.
CookieMonster assumes that every kid born to a lesbian couple has a mother and a step-mother. That's an asinine assumption.
I just recognize that even good posters on here can be jackasses or trolls at times. A lot of people look at Godfrey and other OM posters with skepticism about their intentions. It doesn't mean every single one who questioned Godfrey is a bigot or thinks that homosexuality is an uncomfortable subject for them personally. They may instead think that an OM poster is smart enough to know that it is very often an uncomfortable subject for a large portion of people and that it is one that is volatile. Hence, this thread ended up being locked later by someone. Surprised? I'm not. He could have posted about MSU fans and any of a number of topics that get locked on here and many would question his intentions. It just so happens it was homosexuality this time.
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