Locked - SEC Defensive Player of the year has come out

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JungRebel

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The heart of the argument is "What kind of arbitrary distinctions should be made to guide human behavior?" I am for abolishing most distinctions/limitations that restrict physical freedom, but I don't claim to have discovered moral truth by making such a statement. Of course, there's nothing arbitrary about moral truth according to some posters here, but without faith in their metaphysics I have no reason to take their word for it.
 
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BoDawg.sixpack

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Then I'll take the opposite view and we'll both be right and wrong

while we each agree there is no moral truth in any natural environment.
 

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I'd buy that argument if there weren't so many kids born into poverty.

Maybe heterosexuals are allowed certain privileges because the heterosexual family is the most fundamental building block of every human society past, present and future. This isn't even religious. It's just common sense. Heterosexual families OUGHT to have privileges. They are LITERALLY building our future. Granting them things like tax credits, filing statuses, etc. isn't punishing singles, homosexuals, or any other flavor of whatever. It's just rewarding them for having and raising the people that will pay for your social security and defend your freedoms when you are too old to do so.

/rant over

Or if there were a procreation requirement certain tax filing statuses.
 

BeardoMSU

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Yes. Check out the Bonobos (Pan paniscus), our closest evolutionary relative, for some evidence regarding this.
 

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"Unnatural"—even though it occurs in...nature! But please, continue to stand truth on its head to fit an agenda.

"It's not what was intended," as if you could prove such a thing! "Knowing what is right"—an excess of human ego.

You really can't observe female and male anatomy and tell what was naturally intended to fit together in a complimentary way. No religion. No agenda. Just observation. By the same token you can't see that jamming things into places where feces exits isn't natural. You bolster your argument by comparing people to animals? And you are serious? No missing sarcasterisks?
 

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"No religion, no agenda," but instead "intentions." Intended by WHO? Natural selection? And human beings are not animals? Also, gay men don't typically **** on each other during intercourse, just as men don't typically piss in the vaginal cavity and women don't typically give birth during intercourse either. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) We have many parts with more than one function.

Gay people make sex work (quite easily I might add), ergo nature "intended" for it to work, according to your view.
 
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Yawnnnn, MSU had the first black gay football player in the SEC 45 years ago. A nice guy and pretty damn good football player named Frank Dowsing. He never "came out" but many knew(or thought they knew) and for reasons I can`t explain nobody made a big deal of it.
 

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Call it developing empathy said:
Well, check out the Book of Genesis, Chapter 19...... Sodom and Gomorra were two cities that developed empathy, became mature, with city leaders instilling tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of sinful acts against nature, nature as God intended. Read how that turns out. Our US of A and world is heading down the same road. Excuse me, but I'll pass on what you are selling.... I'll choose to hate the sin, but will continue to love the sinner and pray they for their soul. After all, He still loves me inspite of all my shortcomings that some so eloquently point out....

PS - Don't believe what our government and news media are telling you, sexual orientation is not a physical handicap nor fall under the realms of civil rights. It's a personal choice.... That is all... I'm out.....
 

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Maybe heterosexuals are allowed certain privileges because the heterosexual family is the most fundamental building block of every human society past, present and future. This isn't even religious. It's just common sense. Heterosexual families OUGHT to have privileges. They are LITERALLY building our future. Granting them things like tax credits, filing statuses, etc. isn't punishing singles, homosexuals, or any other flavor of whatever. It's just rewarding them for having and raising the people that will pay for your social security and defend your freedoms when you are too old to do so.

/rant over

Singles and homosexual couples can also LITERALLY build our future. They can LITERALLY adopt. They can LITERALLY surrogate. They can LITERALLY inseminate.
They can LITERALLY bring life into this world and LITERALLY take care of life that is in need.
Yep, that's LITERALLY the same as what my wife and I can do.

You LITERALLY almost made a good point.
 

OldFatDog

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Amen. This nails it. Basic decency.

Do you really not get that his situation is different from the 'many gays' that dont publicize their lifestyle? He is an athlete...a future pro. Because of that, his life will be more public than 'many gays'. His personal life will be on the internet. It may be thru public appearances/goodwill/charity events for a team. It may be thru pictures in magazines and online of him out on the town. It may be just on his wikipedia page- but his life is more public. And media outlets want to uncover these sort of stories. If I had something like this in my life, I would absolutely want to be the one to announce it versus have it announced for me. I would hope you would too...unless you enjoy having a story told about you but without you.
Furthermore, getting back to what I mentioned in my first post on this issue, athletes are the default role models for most boys in this country. Having an openly gay football player will both help younger kids feel more comfortable in their own skin, feel more comfortable on a team, and it will help others be more accepting.

When I was in high school I used 'retarded' to describe a ton of stuff. I used it to describe people, events, actions, a ton of stuff. I then dated a girl for two years with a younger sister and an aunt who both have Down Syndrome.
Yup, that basically got me to immediately drop that word from my vocab.

Call it developing empathy, call it maturing, call it whatever you like- personally knowing or even knowing of someone with something helps instill tolerance, understanding, and acceptance.
Inherent traits that single people out- skin color, overbite, ADHD, sexual orientation, physical deformity, mental retardation- simply shouldnt be made fun of. Compassion, tolerance, and acceptance need to be used. Having male athletes at the college and pro level with these inherent traits helps show youth athletes what is possible, what is acceptable, and how to treat others.
 

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So, when did you chose to be heterosexual? Did you date people of both sexes and then decide that your choice was to be heterosexual?

Well, check out the Book of Genesis, Chapter 19...... Sodom and Gomorra were two cities that developed empathy, became mature, with city leaders instilling tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of sinful acts against nature, nature as God intended. Read how that turns out. Our US of A and world is heading down the same road. Excuse me, but I'll pass on what you are selling.... I'll choose to hate the sin, but will continue to love the sinner and pray they for their soul. After all, He still loves me inspite of all my shortcomings that some so eloquently point out....

PS - Don't believe what our government and news media are telling you, sexual orientation is not a physical handicap nor fall under the realms of civil rights. It's a personal choice.... That is all... I'm out.....
 

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Lasher, he is under the naive assumption that he has a mechanical explanation for human sexuality. That is: "We choose to be attracted to who we are attracted to."

This is, of course, utterly false.
 
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Lovers of bestiality make it work too. I'll leave it u on how "well"

"No religion, no agenda," but instead "intentions." Intended by WHO? Natural selection? And human beings are not animals? Also, gay men don't typically **** on each other during intercourse, just as men don't typically piss in the vaginal cavity and women don't typically give birth during intercourse either. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) We have many parts with more than one function.

Gay people make sex work (quite easily I might add), ergo nature "intended" for it to work, according to your

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"No religion, no agenda," but instead "intentions." Intended by WHO? Natural selection? And human beings are not animals? Also, gay men don't typically **** on each other during intercourse, just as men don't typically piss in the vaginal cavity and women don't typically give birth during intercourse either. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) We have many parts with more than one function.

Gay people make sex work (quite easily I might add), ergo nature "intended" for it to work, according to your

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Yikes. Shoutout to pat robertson for posting on SPS

Edit: this is response to Doc Hollidays post
 

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Well, check out the Book of Genesis, Chapter 19...... Sodom and Gomorra were two cities that developed empathy, became mature, with city leaders instilling tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of sinful acts against nature, nature as God intended. Read how that turns out. Our US of A and world is heading down the same road. Excuse me, but I'll pass on what you are selling.... I'll choose to hate the sin, but will continue to love the sinner and pray they for their soul. After all, He still loves me inspite of all my shortcomings that some so eloquently point out....

PS - Don't believe what our government and news media are telling you, sexual orientation is not a physical handicap nor fall under the realms of civil rights. It's a personal choice.... That is all... I'm out.....

Oh wow, you have now gone to referencing old testament writings? Wow, the straws have been grasped at.

1- the old testament is not a history book.

2- those towns have never even been found to have existed. You are basing your view on a story in a book that isn't historically accurate And of towns that aren't known to have even existed.
Brilliant.

3- I don't think sexual orientation is a physical handicap and haven't said that or even hinted that. If you have gathered that from my posts, then you missed the points I've made by a mile.
 

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Animals can't give consent.
Nothing more needs to be said to this absurd comment.
 

BeardoMSU

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Ok, keep giving Ken Ham and the Creation Museum all your attention. And btw, Darwin did not invent evolution; he merely contributed to our understanding of it.
 

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And the accidental life forms readily adopt arbitrary standards of morality

Darwin also contributed to the discussion that survival value does not equate to moral truth. If the standard is human reasoning, the options for moral truth are all the presuppositions that make up the aggregate conscience of humanity, including those that are polar opposites. And that of course, would alleviate the reasoning that there is any moral authority.
 

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"my feelings are not hurt"....

probably because you are one of the last mooks who still thinks the Earth is flat and 6,000 years old. Enjoy yo self!
 

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Or....lets call it being a good person, or being "Christlike", as all these "thumpers" like to profess, yet none seem to follow.

Not calling a mentally handicap person "retarded", or a black person "a ________", or a gay person "a ***", doesn't mean you're pandering to the liberal PC crowd's propaganda; it means you're being a DECENT 17'N HUMAN BEING.

 

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We all have our sexual challenges. I was made to desire to have sex with as many women as I could, doesn't make it right though and is not sex as God created it..."to be between one man and one woman". Therefore, I choose to try and meet what he designed by only having sex with my wife. I say "try" because believe me, I'd like to "love" many other women I see every day, so while physically faithful, I challenge to keep my mind in the right place. imissplatinumplus does not help me with this.

I used to think homosexuality was a choice. I don't think I do anymore. I mean, how can any male possibly desire to get it on with some dude over say Kate Upton. Just doesn't seem possible unless they are wired that way. But I do believe it is not sex as God intended and is therefore wrong, just like it would be wrong for me to have sex with other women. And my sexual sin is as bad as any. The only think that saves us from this sin is repentance and forgiveness; much harder to do that for some than others, but others may struggle more with something else. We are ALL sinners, but we can all be saved by the Grace of God.

Peace and Love to All
 

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So humans should behave like animals and you aren't able to tell that men and women have complimentary anatomy? I think you are just looking for justification rather than truth..
 

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I respect this because it is almost as fair as someone can be to homosexuals without relinquishing their belief in God (100% fair would be giving them equal rights, while still thinking it is a sin).
 
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BeardoMSU

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I really hope you're quoting Mikey Palmice....such an obscure Soprano's reference would make me soooo happy.

 

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Is all of that directed to me? Is the altar call next?

We all have our sexual challenges. I was made to desire to have sex with as many women as I could, doesn't make it right though and is not sex as God created it..."to be between one man and one woman". Therefore, I choose to try and meet what he designed by only having sex with my wife. I say "try" because believe me, I'd like to "love" many other women I see every day, so while physically faithful, I challenge to keep my mind in the right place. imissplatinumplus does not help me with this.

I used to think homosexuality was a choice. I don't think I do anymore. I mean, how can any male possibly desire to get it on with some dude over say Kate Upton. Just doesn't seem possible unless they are wired that way. But I do believe it is not sex as God intended and is therefore wrong, just like it would be wrong for me to have sex with other women. And my sexual sin is as bad as any. The only think that saves us from this sin is repentance and forgiveness; much harder to do that for some than others, but others may struggle more with something else. We are ALL sinners, but we can all be saved by the Grace of God.

Peace and Love to All
 

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I never said "humans and animals are the same," that is preposterous. Humans are animals, but different from all other types of animals, just as all animals are different from other types of animals. To think humans are not animals, or to think that because humans are animals that we should necessarily imitate the bahavior other animals, is absurd. And yes the anatomy is complimentary, but this proves absolutely nothing about INTENTION.
 
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