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seshomoru

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That guy is scum.

And that whole deal was absolutely about insinuating something was going on. How odd is it really for a US Senator to travel with an assistant?
 

Optimus Prime 4

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I would guess "Completely commonplace?"

I can't imagine any senator traveling without their assistant.

And if your group has the name "patriot"any where in it, you probably aren't.
 

futaba.79

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since you started it................

my nightmare scenario: The Republicans take back the Senate, but Mississippi elects McDaniel. Instead of the Appropriations Committee Chair and the President Pro Tempore, we have McDaniel.
 
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I swear these idiots are about to drive me nuts. Every senator has someone like that in a position almost like a personal assistant. Chief of Staff deals within the office and the personal assistant deals with outside the office.
 
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But don't you know Cochran is really a liberal Obama flag waver? I've been around McDaniel and Cochran plenty and all I can say is that Chris McDaniel is looking out for Chris McDaniel. Both men are no doubt politicians but cochrans seniority trumps anything McDaniel can even think about doing.
 

seshomoru

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But Michelle Obama takes vacations. So does Thad Cochran!

He's a liberal! And yes, McDaniel compared the travel of Cochran to the travel of Michelle Obama in an interview this morning. The guy is a walking tea party buzzword generator with no substance.
 

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But don't you know Cochran is really a liberal Obama flag waver? I've been around McDaniel and Cochran plenty and all I can say is that Chris McDaniel is looking out for Chris McDaniel. Both men are no doubt politicians but cochrans seniority trumps anything McDaniel can even think about doing.

The McDaniel yard signs do serve the useful purpose of revealing which neighbors are the crazy ones.
 

futaba.79

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sure he has a platform...........

he's going to restore the constitution, whatever that means. And of course he's going to fight to repeal obamacare.
 

johnson86-1

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And that whole deal was absolutely about insinuating something was going on. How odd is it really for a US Senator to travel with an assistant?

Not that I care for anybody involved, but the issue is not that his assistant is traveling with him. I think with the particular circumstances involved here it should be left alone, but normally this would be something that should be looked into.
 

Irondawg

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I hate political ad season. I'd rather watch an information about the next miracle kitchen cleaner.

In theory I like some of the stuff the tea party wants to do, but then you see their people and their ads and want to throw up. Washington is so broke - I really can't believe some network hasn't found a way to get a canidate elected and make a whole documentary exposing the twisted way politics really work and expsosing some of the pure scum up there.

i can't watch any show to actually get informed about issues. I just get mad at the ridiculous rheteroic on both sides. As to most people, so we are to the point where we elect candidates based on their view on gun laws, abortion or marriage rights. Most of which are pretty trivial given all the other major issues we need our govt. to deal with.
 

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Not that I care for anybody involved, but the issue is not that his assistant is traveling with him. I think with the particular circumstances involved here it should be left alone, but normally this would be something that should be looked into.

It's obvious you're referencing his wife being essentially bedridden. There was a recent incident in which someone trespassed at a facility to take pictures of her. The person was arrested and charged. It's being further investigated, but I think it's pretty obvious it's related to McDaniel and some ad he wants to make in relation to these trips. I'll let you imagine what that ad could possibly be, as well as how terrible a person would have to be to make such an ad.
 

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Cochran's seniority is important - but we are about to elect him to a 7th term that will see him turn 82 years old! Or worse, he will win and then retire and we will have Gov. Bryant appoint our next Senator to serve the next 7 terms. Also - Cochran will support amnesty along with the other US Chamber backed GOP Senators. I'm not a huge McDaniel fan either, but sometimes the boat needs to be rocked just for the sake of rocking the boat. I'm not decided yet, but I'm not going to vote for Cochran just because...and I'm not feeling him right now. And his handling of this whole blogger/photo fiasco - and his horrible Meth ad accusing McDaniel of being "pro-Meth" - are politics at their worst. Everyone says he's known as a gentleman, and I don't disagree...but come out and denounce that stuff. By the way, the Meth ad is not a PAC ad.

**Let me go ahead and apologize for posting a comment that will surely get this thread locked down.
 

johnson86-1

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It's obvious you're referencing his wife being essentially bedridden. There was a recent incident in which someone trespassed at a facility to take pictures of her. The person was arrested and charged. It's being further investigated, but I think it's pretty obvious it's related to McDaniel and some ad he wants to make in relation to these trips. I'll let you imagine what that ad could possibly be, as well as how terrible a person would have to be to make such an ad.

I don't know McDaniel and I don't doubt he's scum, but I do sort of doubt he'd be that stupid. I can believe he'd think Cochran's personal relationships might be a winning issue for him (I don't think it would be; I think most people would be sympathetic even if they still disagreed with some of Cochran's actions, but I can see somebody coming to a different conclusion/guess), but I have trouble believing he'd think publishing a picture of somebody with dementia would do anything but end his campaign. I still think this is going to hurt McDaniel, but as far as what's out there, it doesn't look like he had anything to do with it. His campaign should have contacted Cochran's campaign as soon as they found out about it rather than waiting until the story had basically broken. They were idiots to think Cochran's campaign wouldn't know about the video being posted and all they did was give Cochran's campaign an opportunity to smear them with this issue.
 

KurtRambis4

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Given

what the guy (McDaniel) has done to this point, I really don't think it's that far-fetched that his campaign would go there. Politicians aren't all rocket surgeons, exactly.

Unfortunately, this day and age, most voters are not very educated and will rush to judge candidates on the stupidest of things (whether that which is being judged is true or not).
 

johnson86-1

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his horrible Meth ad accusing McDaniel of being "pro-Meth" - are politics at their worst. Everyone says he's known as a gentleman, and I don't disagree...but come out and denounce that stuff. By the way, the Meth ad is not a PAC ad.

The Meth ad just about did it for me. It would be absolutely 17ing ridiculous to call home the ranking member of the appropriations committee (that has a better than even chance to become the chair after the elections), but Cochran's campaign is making a good argument for it. It would be bad enough to accuse somebody of being pro-Meth because of a genuine policy disagreement, but especially don't do it when your opponent was on the right side of the policy issue and stood up for what was right while the rest of the spineless politicians voted as if they were scared of a hit ad just like Cochran's.
 

patdog

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True. It would be monumentally stupid of McDaniel to get behind a stunt like that, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. At the very least, it says a lot about the type of crazies and psychos he attracts that one of his supporters would do this.
 

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Political parties are the biggest piece of fiction ever created in the United States. Regardless of who you vote for, it's the same ****. I had a professor at State who was adamant about how you shouldn't vote, and then proceeded to spend an entire class proving why it's pointless.

I think Cochran's tenure is worth voting for him at this point, and as MSU people we should absolutely be voting for him... He bankrolls our university. He is personally responsible for us getting several research grants away from much more qualified schools like Ohio State.

I hate that it comes down to that. Mississippi needs some people who aren't career politicians who only get elected for assisting people's alma maters find money.

As for scum ads, they're not much worse here in the enlightened north. Ads against Governor Cuomo are things of beauty.
 

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How else is that woman from Alaska supposed to make money??? But, her doing what she is doing is so much more credible than those people taking hand outs...
 

patdog

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It would be bad enough to accuse somebody of being pro-Meth because of a genuine policy disagreement, but especially don't do it when your opponent was on the right side of the policy issue and stood up for what was right while the rest of the spineless politicians voted as if they were scared of a hit ad just like Cochran's.
In 2010, over 300 meth labs were found in Mississippi. By 2013, that had dropped to 8. Yes, it sucks to have to get a prescription for pseudophedrine (I just use the over the counter replacement), but it's hard to argue with results like that.
MISSISSIPPI METH LAB INCIDENTS AND OPERATIONAL LABS, 2009-2013
2009: 692 total meth lab incidents, 349 operational labs
2010: 698 total meth lab incidents, 314 operational labs ** New law went into effect July 1, 2010
2011: 309 total meth lab incidents, 99 operational labs
2012: 253 total meth lab incidents, 21 operational labs
2013: 114 total meth lab incidents, 8 operational labs (through Nov. 30)
Source: Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics
- See more at: http://mpbonline.org/News/article/t..._see_major_drops_in_meth#sthash.JnM8h4F4.dpuf
 

johnson86-1

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what the guy (McDaniel) has done to this point, I really don't think it's that far-fetched that his campaign would go there. Politicians aren't all rocket surgeons, exactly.

Unfortunately, this day and age, most voters are not very educated and will rush to judge candidates on the stupidest of things (whether that which is being judged is true or not).

What has McDaniel done?

And I know politicians aren't rocket surgeons, and plenty of house members are actual morons, but I think if McDaniel and/or a couple of people on his campaign staff didn't have some basic level of competency and intelligence (at least the minimal levels needed to know a hit ad involving Cochran's sick spouse is the type of terrible idea that woudl sink this campaign and possibly any future one), you would have seen it before now.
 

johnson86-1

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True. It would be monumentally stupid of McDaniel to get behind a stunt like that, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. At the very least, it says a lot about the type of crazies and psychos he attracts that one of his supporters would do this.

Not really. You have conspiracy theorists attracted to all sorts. But if you're running a grass roots campaing, it's even harder to avoid them. You're by definition relying on a lot of enthusiastic but relatively small time local volunteers. If you're doing it well, you end up with a lot of people out their pounding the pavement for you and pushing your message, many of which you don't really have an opportunity to vet or even an official chain of communications with unless it's an email subscriber list. From his wife's statements, it looks like the photographer thought this was the big break for his blog, not an opportunity to help McDaniel, although he was obviously a McDaniel supporter.
 

johnson86-1

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In 2010, over 300 meth labs were found in Mississippi. By 2013, that had dropped to 8. Yes, it sucks to have to get a prescription for pseudophedrine (I just use the over the counter replacement), but it's hard to argue with results like that.
MISSISSIPPI METH LAB INCIDENTS AND OPERATIONAL LABS, 2009-2013
2009: 692 total meth lab incidents, 349 operational labs
2010: 698 total meth lab incidents, 314 operational labs ** New law went into effect July 1, 2010
2011: 309 total meth lab incidents, 99 operational labs
2012: 253 total meth lab incidents, 21 operational labs
2013: 114 total meth lab incidents, 8 operational labs (through Nov. 30)
Source: Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics
- See more at: http://mpbonline.org/News/article/t..._see_major_drops_in_meth#sthash.JnM8h4F4.dpuf

It's easy to argue with results like that. If you insist on pursuing prohibition despite all our experience with it, you should focus your efforts on people involved with the trade. Even if there were a lot of innocent people being hurt by meth labs, I'm still not sure that would justify the state making it illegal to sell and purchase a beneficial over the counter drug. But none of those stats say anything about that to begin with. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most people hurt by meth labs are going to be people involved with meth labs, and even the exceptions are not caused by people selling or buying pseudophedrine in any meaningful sense.
 

seshomoru

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You know what comes after meth labs make meth?

The selling of meth... then the using of meth. A whole hell of a lot of people in this state were being hurt by the easy access to a large supply of meth. It's a minor inconvenience to get a sudafed prescription. It's a big inconvenience for the state to have to deal with the crime and health issues that result from a meth epidemic. That was actually some legislation that worked beautifully. There is also a way to get more people access to doctors who could safely prescribe sudafed, buy your guy is gonna repeal it right?
 

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I sure hope so - Obamacare must go (and - there's your lockable comment).

Speaking of, both of these guys are going to vote to repeal it...so in that light, I guess Senator Cochran doesn't want anyone to have Sudafed. He is anti-sudafed. There's an idea for the next attack ad.
 

seshomoru

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And I wish Thad would drop that farce and work within the law to make it better.

Even if the Republicans gain a majority in the Sentate, they won't have 2/3 majority to over ride a veto. Saying you want to repeal Obamacare at this point is just stupid red meat noise.
 

KurtRambis4

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I just

have a hard time believing that his staff had absolutely zero prior knowledge of this situation. Call me a "conspiracy theorist" or whatever, but believing otherwise is just a giant leap of faith in the modern day political forum.

To your other question on what he has "done," I am referencing the negative campaigning. I'm not talking about Cochran. I don't care if he (Cochran) has also done it. I'm not trying to rally support for one or the other. I just generally think it's wrong. Unfortunately, it is all too common in the modern day polictial arena.
 

johnson86-1

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The selling of meth... then the using of meth. A whole hell of a lot of people in this state were being hurt by the easy access to a large supply of meth. It's a minor inconvenience to get a sudafed prescription. It's a big inconvenience for the state to have to deal with the crime and health issues that result from a meth epidemic. That was actually some legislation that worked beautifully. There is also a way to get more people access to doctors who could safely prescribe sudafed, buy your guy is gonna repeal it right?

Might as well restrict access to corn. It can be used to make alcohol, and a lot of bad comes from alcohol and a lot of people are hurt by alcohol in the same way they are hurt by meth. And restricting access to corn is less harmful than sudafed because there are plenty of alternatives to corn if you don't want to go through the process of getting access to corn whereas there isn't much of an over the counter substitute for sudafed.

And the access to doctor statement is just idiotic. First, having access to doctors doesn't change the idiocy of requiring people to spend a couple of hours and spend $100 on top of that because of a cold or allergies. But even if access was the problem, why would you want to spend trillions of dollars supposedly expanding access while at the same time making doctors less accessible by wasting their time seeing patients with common colds and allergies?
 

patdog

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Really? You're comparing this to prohibition? Never mind that this law actually WORKS. For such an "easy" argument, you're doing a terrible job making one.
 

johnson86-1

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Really? You're comparing this to prohibition? Never mind that this law actually WORKS. For such an "easy" argument, you're doing a terrible job making one.

You misread. When I said prohibition I was talking about actual prohibition as applied to Meth and other drugs. I wasn't comparing restricting sudafed purchases to prohibition; I only mentioned prohibition because we obviously wouldn't care about sudafed sales if there weren't a policy of prohibition already in place.
 
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