Looking at some mock drafts- Rayvern and Sidney listed as 2nd rounders
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Ray has great upside too. There's no doubt of his shooting ability as long as he takes smart shots, and the inside game he developed this year has even more room for improvement. Put him with teammates and a coach who can control him and he could be a fine bench player in the NBA.
you have to be able to play defense in the NBA. Plus he's always had a bad attitude. Plus his shooting ability is overrated by most MSU fans. Dee Bost doesn't shoot that much worse than Rayvern, but he gives you ballhandling ability, defense, steals, and assists to go with the points. I don't think it's even close between them.
What have you been watching? Sure he can easily hit a wide open 3. Does he defend? Does he move w/o the ball (or with the ball for that matter)? His attitude is absolute ****. He hasn't worked to gain an lb in 4 yrs. He will bedoing good to make it in some bush league in Kosovo.
He needs to gain about 50 pounds of muscle just to be a legitimate candidate for the D-League. Further his upside is strictly this: He is 6'7" tall and can shoot. That's it. He couldn't keep ME from scoring at will, he can't dribble, he has very little concept of team basketball or basketball fundamentals, he has NO inside game, he cannot take it strong to the goal and finish if he is contested at all, and he is a ***** pre-madonna who thinks he is much better than he is.
I could see Sidney getting drafted in round 2 based solely on his size and potential. He'd have to be whipped into shape and go through a rather large maturation process to be successful in the league though.
Dee needs another season to prove himself.
I could see Sidney getting drafted in round 2 based solely on his size and potential. He'd have to be whipped into shape and go through a rather large maturation process to be successful in the league though.
Dee needs another season to prove himself.
Can't argue with much of that, but he's predicted second round for a reason, right? I'm not saying it's likely (honestly I agree he'll be playing in Europe if anywhere), but he's got the measurables, so maybe he'll buy in and someone can do something with him.
all about athletic ability, size, and potential upside. They take risks on guys for the chance they will develop into a superstar. It's why the Dee Bost's don't get drafted and the RayVern's do even though Dee Bost is better at every single skill involved with the game of basketball except stand still 3's. It's possible to add 30-40lbs of muscle. It's impossible to grow 6'.
you can be average at all the other skills with one elite skill, but even that is rare.
"There's plenty of guys who can shoot 40-45% from 3-pt range in the NBA and they can't guard a safe."
They may look like that against NBA talent, but you better understand that they looked like at least decent defenders against college talent.
if Ravern could create shots, could dribble, at least average for college, then maybe. but he's awful at both, in addition to GD awful at defense.
"There's plenty of guys who can shoot 40-45% from 3-pt range in the NBA and they can't guard a safe."
They may look like that against NBA talent, but you better understand that they looked like at least decent defenders against college talent.
if Ravern could create shots, could dribble, at least average for college, then maybe. but he's awful at both, in addition to GD awful at defense.
You can't loaf around your entire college career and then suddenly decide you want to play defense and learn how to dribble. With only two rounds in the NBA draft, no team is going to take a chance and waste a pick on Ravern. It would be different if he were 6'10 or 7'0 but 6'7 skinny guys that can do nothing but shoot are a dime a dozen in college.
but he doesn't seem to be that bad at dribbling and driving this season. A stat to back that up is that he's had more free throw attempts this season than the previous three combined. Even though his improvement only brings him up to the middle of the pack at best as far as comparable players go, it shows he's worked to be more than a pure shooter, and that he has the potential for further improvement. Again, not hard evidence he'll even get in the League, much less have success, but it indicates the potential is there.
projection all year long. Bost not projected to get drafted. This isn't my opinion. It's the mock NBA drafts that are saying RayVern is a high to mid 2nd round pick. Don't believe me? Type in "mock NBA draft 2011" on google. Check for yourself. Remember Walter Sharpe got drafted by the Pistons and he'd been kicked off two teams, couldn't crack our starting lineup and been SHOT. Charles Rhodes and Jamont Gordon went undrafted. It's not how good you are today. It's how good do I think I can make you 2 years from now.
he can stand at the arc and shoot 50% but he can't guard anybody.. and I mean anybody that has any semblance of an offensive game. But they can hide him on the other team's weakest offensive player. I'm not saying Ravern's going to be an NBA player, but you can't teach 6'7, he can shoot the ball, and he can shoot off the dribble, not just standing still. There's plenty of guys in the NBA who come in the game pretty much for offense only and you hide them on defense within the team defensive concept or you just stick them on somebody who doesn't really look to score the ball.
He doesn't shoot 40%. He can't create his own shots. He doesn't hit from the corner.
He's a good 3 point shooter. He's not elite.
He's a good 3 point shooter. He's not elite.
Both had crappy attitudes but that is the only similarity. Sharpe was 6'9 and around 235 lbs with a good offensive game around the basket and out to 15 feet plus he played some decent inside defense. Ravern plays NO defense at all, can't dribble more than twice without turning it over, no strength to take it to the hole in the NBA, and can't create his own shot.
Hell, if all you had to do in order to make the NBA was stand outside the three point line and hit open threes then I imagine there are several guys on here that would be in the NBA. There are just too many players like Ravern and only two rounds in the draft.
Hell, if all you had to do in order to make the NBA was stand outside the three point line and hit open threes then I imagine there are several guys on here that would be in the NBA. There are just too many players like Ravern and only two rounds in the draft.
is a big guy doing that. When I think of someone like you say, I think of Kyle Korver (or someone along those lines). Korver is 10x the player Rayvern is.
my NBA draft projection. It's the so called experts that have him going in the second round. He's been there all year. Apparently he has an upside that is impressive enough to keep him on the board. He's ahead of Sidney. Different teams have different strategies with their 2nd round picks. Some take for sure contributors that have pretty much peaked their athletic abilities. Others take risks with this pick in hopes of striking gold. RayVern has been placed in this gold/fools gold category. The draft is frustrating for common sense thinking. Right now Kyrie Irving is projected #2 overall and he's been hurt the whole year and the Jones kid from Baylor is #3 and he's about the 4th best player on his own team today. Agree or disagree with it all you like but right now he's going in the second round.
Whatever NBA exec that wastes a pick on Ravern will be out of a job within a year. I am sure there are some out there dumb enough to draft him though. There is a reason that the Bobcats and Timberwolves suck every year. Michael Jordan for Charlotte and formerly Kevin McHale for the T-Wolvesare two of the worst evaluators of talent the NBA has ever seen. Jordan blew a number one pick on freaking Kwame Brown so I would not put it past him to take Ravern.
Sid - mot this year, maybe next - maybe. He needs to prove to me he can run up and down the court with real BB players for a half before I'd draft him.
Ray is not NBA Talent. Just my opinion. Maybe in Italy or Poland - IMO.
Ray is not NBA Talent. Just my opinion. Maybe in Italy or Poland - IMO.