Looks like any future SEC expansion has ended.
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You're talking long-term and then praising Texas A&M?? They've had ONE good season with all the pieces in place, much like Auburn's 2010 season. Again, give it time and I suspect it'll all come back down to Earth.
Many people thought Alabama was down for the long-term. They weren't.
Many people thought Alabama was down for the long-term. They weren't.
In 10 years you'll see what the difference between long-term and short-term is. A&M isn't going to be a major power because they had 1 good season. They're going to be a major power because there has been a fundamental change in the power structure in Texas. And they're the big winner.
OK hot shot.
Time honored traditions with passionate fanbases is what is most popular and makes most money over time. The matchups, the intrigue. THAT is what made the SEC great, and that ultimately is what led to it being the best conference and national contenders. Not targeting passive TV sets in St. Louis. I've explained this in this thread already.
The Big Ten may not be as good overall as the SEC, but the conference is just as popular and the fanbases are just as strong. They made a good decision and a bad decision, just like the SEC did. If you HAVE to add teams, you have to carefully choose teams that fit your conference brand, regionally and in other different ways, and bring a large following....THAT will make for better matchups down the road that will ultimately result in a more popular conferences. Those fans are already there, you don't have to HOPE to get more fans through TV sets in New York and Washington DC (Rutgers/Maryland).
So yeah, I sort of have the best answers. The TV footprint sucks for the overall health of college football, which is the driving engine behind ANYBODY making money off of it. They are only getting away from it because they think nobody cares because it's simply too popular.
Ha, I bet I will. Real easy to predict the future today, eh? I've got history on my side, at the very least.
A third grader understands all that.
What you've got to explain is why Mizzou was(actually) a mistake relative to the Clemson program you are vouching for. You've presented zero facts to go with your speculation.
Then you have to show us why Clemson and FSU would be better for the SEC longterm than North Carolina and Virginia/Virginia Tech would be. Can you do that?
Numbers, not emotions, please**
What you've got to explain is why Mizzou was(actually) a mistake relative to the Clemson program you are vouching for. You've presented zero facts to go with your speculation.
Then you have to show us why Clemson and FSU would be better for the SEC longterm than North Carolina and Virginia/Virginia Tech would be. Can you do that?
Numbers, not emotions, please**
In 1970, history said Mississippi was an SEC power. In 1990, history said Florida was a mid-tier SEC team, at best. In both cases, there was a fundamental change. Integration came in the early 70s. The population explosion in Florida and exponential growth in the number of top high school football players came in the 80s and 90s. In 2010, history said Texas was the dominant program in Texas. There has been a fundamental change since then.
What history? The SEC dominates every single state in it's footprint to a greater and greater extent every single year with Kentucky being the only questionable outlier(UK has taken 4 of the last 6 against Louisville). You trying to say that won't happen in Texas actually goes against history -- not for it.
Nevermind that aTm is 15-15 against them over the past 30 years.
I agree. Lots of our fans were so pleased to see Texas A&M join the SEC West. That adds another tough opponent to our schedule and further limits our already slim chances of winning the SEC West. Highly doubtful we will see another SEC West Championship any time soon. Glad I got to see the one we won in '98. Heck of an atmosphere in Atlanta for that game.
South Carolina is not more dominate than Clemson, playa. Your analogy works for Florida and Georgia, because surprise surprise they are the flagship schools there. U of G and U of F dominate for other reasons besides conference affiliation. I guess you want to try and say Arkansas, Louisiana or similar. Ha ha ha.
Ummm.....yeah.
Exactly. They are about equal. And will continue to be if they'd play each other. As it stands, they'll still be about equal in accomplishments, although over the long haul I still see Texas out-doing aTm.
Soooo.....what's the fundamental change here? aTm going to the SEC? Not quite the same.
Only change I see is that Texas A&M's schedule just got a lot harder.
So what if aTm is getting more money? Texas is getting more too. Money was never the issue with these two schools. Texas fans and alumni outnumber Texas A&M. That ain't changing just because of one freshman Heisman winner.
Look, Texas A&M hired a good coach in Sumlin. They are excited about the newness of joining the best conference in football. Give it a few years to die down.
So what if aTm is getting more money? Texas is getting more too. Money was never the issue with these two schools. Texas fans and alumni outnumber Texas A&M. That ain't changing just because of one freshman Heisman winner.
Look, Texas A&M hired a good coach in Sumlin. They are excited about the newness of joining the best conference in football. Give it a few years to die down.
In the case of alumni, no they don't. And I guess you missed the memo with Texas A&M having 37k turn in enrollment applications this year for 8k spots -- up from 27k last year -- since, you know, Manziel and football doesn't effect such things...
Sure. While they (re)build the most expensive renovation in college football history -- the SEC streak continues -- etc. Yeah, I'm sure the traction is on it's way out just like it was down in Baton Rouge after that Saban "flash in the pan". If you don't see the similarities between the two circumstances, I can't help you.
South Carolina has won the last 4 by an average of 17.5 points/game. Yeah, I'd say they own that state until further notice.
News flash, genius. So is South Carolina and Kentucky.
Like what? Why doesn't Georgia Tech, Georgia State, USF, UCF, etc dominate then?
Coherence? Yes, they are flagship institutions that own their state. Was Louisiana originally different? No. What changed? Tulane left the SEC. That's what changed.
That's why I said fans and alumni. Sidewalk fans in the state of Texas support Texas.
You don't think Texas could match them dollar for dollar for stadium renovations? Then I can't help you. Texas is a machine. They could be an independent if they wanted to. ****, they have their own conference that they run as it is. Show me another school besides Notre Dame that can dictate those kinds of terms.
Now, eventually, that type of stuff comes back to bite you in the ***, like it has just now with Texas A&M seemingly standing on their own two feet. But just wait and see what Texas' next move will be.
I don't care what Texas' next move is. The landscape in Texas has permanently changed.
aTm has 3 of the top 10 in Texas already committed. Texas has no one over #14. What do they offer that aTm doesn't? One game against Oklahoma is it. Meanwhile, aTm can sell LSU, the SEC, the last 7 national titles, triple the NFL draft picks, etc. Yes, the landscape has changed -- and it will be permanent...
aTm has 3 of the top 10 in Texas already committed. Texas has no one over #14. What do they offer that aTm doesn't? One game against Oklahoma is it. Meanwhile, aTm can sell LSU, the SEC, the last 7 national titles, triple the NFL draft picks, etc. Yes, the landscape has changed -- and it will be permanent...
That's a flaw in your thinking, but you know this already. You're trying too hard to argue with me.
And....you can tell the future how? Sounds like you're the one rolling with the emotions. Caught up in the hype.
Are you now telling me Texas can't recruit? Per Scout, aTm is #1. Guess who's #2? That's right, the Longhorns. Such a huge difference. Get the **** out of here with this weak stuff. Texas gets basically whoever they want.
One of the best cities in the country? One of the best football programs in the country? One of the most storied traditions in the country? Some of the most resources in the country? Some of the most powerful people in the country? This is about where you should think about shutting up and letting this thread roll on off the front page.
You have to actually get to Texas' level before you can pass them.
Yep, because you can see the future, just as I can.
You were probably arguing your *** off that Florida would be eternally mediocre in 1990 weren't you? Same for LSU in 2000, I'm sure...
I'm just calling a spade a spade -- exactly like Patdog did already.
Pot meet Kettle.
Using Scout as your reference point just quantifies the fact that you don't need to be discussing recruiting. Guess you missed where aTm finished last year at #8 in the 24/7 Composite -- while Texas finished at #17.
And again -- you fail to read and comprehend. The question was "what does Texas offer that aTm doesn't". aTm offers EVERY SINGLE one of these things -- with the city being the ONLY even somewhat arguable exception.
Lulz
aTm has already done that on every single level of their existence.
My common sense simply allows me to adequately see the monster that is aTm coming down the tracks. Since yours doesn't, I really don't know what to tell you...
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Who is the MSU of the ACC and are they better off in there league than we are in ours ? My point is I know the money is good but the reality that year in and year out you can`t compete for championships is a downside for the low end programs. If you join the SEC now with the intent of competing for championships you better bring some heat. ACC...not so much.
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Here are the current conference pay-outs
College football has gotten in on the act, with the five major conferences each inking billion-dollar deals in the past two years. The annual payouts roughly go like this:
College football has gotten in on the act, with the five major conferences each inking billion-dollar deals in the past two years. The annual payouts roughly go like this:
- Pac-12: $250 million ($20.83 million per school)
- Big Ten: $248 million ($20.67 million)
- Big 12: $200 million ($20 million)
- ACC: $240 million ($17.14 million)
- SEC: $205 million ($14.64 million)
- Notre Dame: $15 million
I would vote to send Ole Miss to another conference in a heartbeat. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
I'm a pretty big NFL fan and the Rams moving back to LA is a hot topic right now. I try to keep up with it just because I find that kind of dumb **** interesting and every single article (LA Times, Sports Illustrated, etc) has talked about how apathetic Missouri fans are outside of the Cardinals and how Kansas City and St. Louis are not actually as good of TV markets as they look on paper.
Yes, I understand the irony of talking smack on Mizzou sitting on my couch in Mississippi. Charter member vs addition though.
Terrible addition.
As far as Memphis getting the shaft, Cincy and UConn alone make that basketball conference better than CUSA. ECU won the CBI or whatever it's called now and it was a HUGE deal for them. No one in the current "Big East" or whatever it's now called would even accept an invite.